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Ed Balls
Re: [TESTING] Please ignore
Only an amateur would ignore Ed Balls. On 3 July 2013 15:02, Ashley Hindmarsh ash+p...@best-scarper.co.uk wrote: Ed Balls
Why I give up my talk in YAPC
I'm part of perl brazilian perl community since 2008 and since it I help with talks, a lot of articles, documents translation, events etc. But I can't carry on in a community that some members are dictators and treat people without respect. And if this kind of people has channel operator in Perl channels the community in self in responsible for it. I didn't come here to cry why I get +q in #perl at freenode, just because a operator mauke didn't like my code and I didn't have the free right to show to newbies. Because according to him, if I not obey him order I'm not allowed to talk, I follow Netiquette Guidelines - http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt all time. 11:10 -!- Irssi: Changed to freenode server irc.freenode.net 11:10 [freenode] -!- mauke [~mauke@p3m/member/mauke] 11:10 [freenode] -!- ircname : credens iustitiam 11:10 [freenode] -!- server : holmes.freenode.net [London, UK] 11:10 [freenode] -!- : is using a secure connection 11:10 [freenode] -!- account : mauke 11:10 [freenode] -!- End of WHOIS Thank you, I just don't want waste my time for this kind of situation help. -dom -- Daniel Mantovani +5511 8538-9897 XOXO
Re: Why I give up my talk in YAPC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Brazil On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Daniel de Oliveira Mantovani daniel.oliveira.mantov...@gmail.com wrote: I'm part of perl brazilian perl community since 2008 and since it I help with talks, a lot of articles, documents translation, events etc. But I can't carry on in a community that some members are dictators and treat people without respect. And if this kind of people has channel operator in Perl channels the community in self in responsible for it. I didn't come here to cry why I get +q in #perl at freenode, just because a operator mauke didn't like my code and I didn't have the free right to show to newbies. Because according to him, if I not obey him order I'm not allowed to talk, I follow Netiquette Guidelines - http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt all time. 11:10 -!- Irssi: Changed to freenode server irc.freenode.net 11:10 [freenode] -!- mauke [~mauke@p3m/member/mauke] 11:10 [freenode] -!- ircname : credens iustitiam 11:10 [freenode] -!- server : holmes.freenode.net [London, UK] 11:10 [freenode] -!- : is using a secure connection 11:10 [freenode] -!- account : mauke 11:10 [freenode] -!- End of WHOIS Thank you, I just don't want waste my time for this kind of situation help. -dom -- Daniel Mantovani +5511 8538-9897 XOXO
Re: Why I give up my talk in YAPC
Guido++ 2013/7/3 ๏̯͡๏ Guido Barosio gbaro...@gmail.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Brazil On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Daniel de Oliveira Mantovani daniel.oliveira.mantov...@gmail.com wrote: I'm part of perl brazilian perl community since 2008 and since it I help with talks, a lot of articles, documents translation, events etc. But I can't carry on in a community that some members are dictators and treat people without respect. And if this kind of people has channel operator in Perl channels the community in self in responsible for it. I didn't come here to cry why I get +q in #perl at freenode, just because a operator mauke didn't like my code and I didn't have the free right to show to newbies. Because according to him, if I not obey him order I'm not allowed to talk, I follow Netiquette Guidelines - http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt all time. 11:10 -!- Irssi: Changed to freenode server irc.freenode.net 11:10 [freenode] -!- mauke [~mauke@p3m/member/mauke] 11:10 [freenode] -!- ircname : credens iustitiam 11:10 [freenode] -!- server : holmes.freenode.net [London, UK] 11:10 [freenode] -!- : is using a secure connection 11:10 [freenode] -!- account : mauke 11:10 [freenode] -!- End of WHOIS Thank you, I just don't want waste my time for this kind of situation help. -dom -- Daniel Mantovani +5511 8538-9897 XOXO
Re: Why I give up my talk in YAPC
Guido/Mario - Nice going - why not just ridicule Daniel directly like he experienced in IRC? Daniel - unfortunately this is an issue in all online communities. Perl is not immune to this but I can say that this is not condoned by most Perl community members. Please do not let a few bad apples taint your view of the larger community. Thick skin is the word here - rise above the bullsh*t from people who seem to have nothing substantial to add. As a community member, I appreciate you pointing this out - you could have just not said anything and held a grudge. I personally value your contributions and hope that you continue! All the best, Chris On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Marcio Ferreira marciodesouzaferre...@gmail.com wrote: Guido++ 2013/7/3 ๏̯͡๏ Guido Barosio gbaro...@gmail.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Brazil On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Daniel de Oliveira Mantovani daniel.oliveira.mantov...@gmail.com wrote: I'm part of perl brazilian perl community since 2008 and since it I help with talks, a lot of articles, documents translation, events etc. But I can't carry on in a community that some members are dictators and treat people without respect. And if this kind of people has channel operator in Perl channels the community in self in responsible for it. I didn't come here to cry why I get +q in #perl at freenode, just because a operator mauke didn't like my code and I didn't have the free right to show to newbies. Because according to him, if I not obey him order I'm not allowed to talk, I follow Netiquette Guidelines - http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt all time. 11:10 -!- Irssi: Changed to freenode server irc.freenode.net 11:10 [freenode] -!- mauke [~mauke@p3m/member/mauke] 11:10 [freenode] -!- ircname : credens iustitiam 11:10 [freenode] -!- server : holmes.freenode.net [London, UK] 11:10 [freenode] -!- : is using a secure connection 11:10 [freenode] -!- account : mauke 11:10 [freenode] -!- End of WHOIS Thank you, I just don't want waste my time for this kind of situation help. -dom -- Daniel Mantovani +5511 8538-9897 XOXO
Re: Why I give up my talk in YAPC
On Wednesday, 3 July 2013 at 11:10, Daniel de Oliveira Mantovani wrote: in #perl at freenode freenode is…well, freenode. Most people on this list would not consider it the 'home' of Perl on irc. We mainly use irc.perl.org (where we have our own #perl) and this Perl monger group even has its own channel #london.pm Hope to see you around. Mark.
Re: Why I give up my talk in YAPC
On Wed, 2013-07-03 at 12:46 -0400, Mark Fowler wrote: On Wednesday, 3 July 2013 at 11:10, Daniel de Oliveira Mantovani wrote: in #perl at freenode freenode is…well, freenode. Most people on this list would not consider it the 'home' of Perl on irc. Both #perl and #perl6 on freenode are considerably larger than the same channels on irc.perl.org - they're representing the Perl community, like it or not. In fact, according to perl6.org it would appear that freenode is the official home of Perl 6 on IRC. It might be worth noting that it is possible for projects to assert ownership of channels on freenode, due to our* rather weird namespace policies, so in theory it would be possible for Perl's leadership (such as it is) to decide to make the #perl channel there a nicer place to visit... although I imagine the fallout from taking any such action would be hugely tedious. We mainly use irc.perl.org (where we have our own #perl) I got the distinct impression that it would be seriously cruel to direct anyone who wanted to discuss Perl problems to that channel. Regards, Denny * I'm part of the freenode staff team.
Re: Why I give up my talk in YAPC
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Mark Fowler m...@twoshortplanks.com wrote: On Wednesday, 3 July 2013 at 11:10, Daniel de Oliveira Mantovani wrote: in #perl at freenode freenode is…well, freenode. Most people on this list would not consider it the 'home' of Perl on irc. irc.perl.org doesn't consider itself 'home' either :) http://www.irc.perl.org/faq.html http://www.irc.perl.org/channels.html Paul We mainly use irc.perl.org (where we have our own #perl) and this Perl monger group even has its own channel #london.pm Hope to see you around. Mark.
Re: Why I give up my talk in YAPC
Mark Fowler, http://paste.scsys.co.uk/259635 looks like freenode. It is so sad there people dedicating so hard to build a better community and this kind of people ruins everything. On 3 July 2013 13:46, Mark Fowler m...@twoshortplanks.com wrote: On Wednesday, 3 July 2013 at 11:10, Daniel de Oliveira Mantovani wrote: in #perl at freenode freenode is…well, freenode. Most people on this list would not consider it the 'home' of Perl on irc. We mainly use irc.perl.org (where we have our own #perl) and this Perl monger group even has its own channel #london.pm Hope to see you around. Mark. -- -dom -- IBM - Business Analytics Optimization Consultant Daniel Mantovani +5511 8538-9897 XOXO
Re: Why I give up my talk in YAPC
On 2013-07-03 19:05, Denny wrote: On Wed, 2013-07-03 at 12:46 -0400, Mark Fowler wrote: On Wednesday, 3 July 2013 at 11:10, Daniel de Oliveira Mantovani wrote: in #perl at freenode freenode is…well, freenode. Most people on this list would not consider it the 'home' of Perl on irc. irc.perl.org #perl-help is actually recommended for those people looking for help with programming, due to hysterical raisins. When EFnet #perl split onto its own network (called MAGnet at the time) we retained the original #perl name and made it a social channel, keeping the name made it more convenient, and of course at the time we didn't think it would grow much beyond the extant community. Both #perl and #perl6 on freenode are considerably larger than the same channels on irc.perl.org - they're representing the Perl community, like it or not. In fact, according to perl6.org it would appear that freenode is the official home of Perl 6 on IRC. It might be worth noting that it is possible for projects to assert ownership of channels on freenode, due to our* rather weird namespace policies, so in theory it would be possible for Perl's leadership (such as it is) to decide to make the #perl channel there a nicer place to visit... although I imagine the fallout from taking any such action would be hugely tedious. We mainly use irc.perl.org (where we have our own #perl) I got the distinct impression that it would be seriously cruel to direct anyone who wanted to discuss Perl problems to that channel. Regards, Denny * I'm part of the freenode staff team.
Re: Why I give up my talk in YAPC
Mantovani, you should also describe his offensive stance gratuitous violence in the community, including IRC, you offend people without being present. If you want to know, and I leave besides speak at YAPC, stopped sponsoring it because of your posture and how things are conducted. I preferred not associate my statup to that. Not to mention that you've been banned, but insist on slandering people who work together with you =) You think you come to claim another PM make you better? Just makes you ridiculous internationally. Dirty laundry is washed at home and not playing the fan ;) Start paying a beer =D
Re: Why I give up my talk in YAPC
Marcio , One might consider this response of yours to be aggressive or rude, so I might politely suggest toning it down a little. Please can you state which PM you are referring to, I think I missed it? Thanks, Gaz On 3 July 2013 19:25, Marcio Ferreira marciodesouzaferre...@gmail.com wrote: Mantovani, you should also describe his offensive stance gratuitous violence in the community, including IRC, you offend people without being present. If you want to know, and I leave besides speak at YAPC, stopped sponsoring it because of your posture and how things are conducted. I preferred not associate my statup to that. Not to mention that you've been banned, but insist on slandering people who work together with you =) You think you come to claim another PM make you better? Just makes you ridiculous internationally. Dirty laundry is washed at home and not playing the fan ;) Start paying a beer =D
Re: Why I give up my talk in YAPC
By which PM, I meant which originating PM. I am aware that this is a London.PM list. :) Gaz On 3 July 2013 19:36, Schmoo schmoos...@gmail.com wrote: Marcio , One might consider this response of yours to be aggressive or rude, so I might politely suggest toning it down a little. Please can you state which PM you are referring to, I think I missed it? Thanks, Gaz On 3 July 2013 19:25, Marcio Ferreira marciodesouzaferre...@gmail.com wrote: Mantovani, you should also describe his offensive stance gratuitous violence in the community, including IRC, you offend people without being present. If you want to know, and I leave besides speak at YAPC, stopped sponsoring it because of your posture and how things are conducted. I preferred not associate my statup to that. Not to mention that you've been banned, but insist on slandering people who work together with you =) You think you come to claim another PM make you better? Just makes you ridiculous internationally. Dirty laundry is washed at home and not playing the fan ;) Start paying a beer =D
Re: Why I give up my talk in YAPC
Well, I didn't notice this email because Marcio is in my direct delete message. He already was expulse from a Perl Mongers house in Rio de Janeiro, almost 100% of Sao Paulo Perl Mongers don't talk with him even wife's from the mongers don't like him. Even his ex co-workers don't like him, but like always answer your emails are traps. Marcio, you don't have startup will work with PHP jut it. Your boss is my personal friend, I already dinner with him and his wife and I know him before you learn how to read. Well, I have a great relationship with Sao Paulo Perl Mongers/Rio Perl Mongers they come at my home to drink frequently include the leader Eden Cardim and his wife. All people which work with me I have a great, great relationship. My articles at SPPM: http://sao-paulo.pm.org/artigos Sorry for this, SPPM help him in his family and don't even we understand his behavior. On 3 July 2013 15:48, Schmoo schmoos...@gmail.com wrote: By which PM, I meant which originating PM. I am aware that this is a London.PM list. :) Gaz On 3 July 2013 19:36, Schmoo schmoos...@gmail.com wrote: Marcio , One might consider this response of yours to be aggressive or rude, so I might politely suggest toning it down a little. Please can you state which PM you are referring to, I think I missed it? Thanks, Gaz On 3 July 2013 19:25, Marcio Ferreira marciodesouzaferre...@gmail.com wrote: Mantovani, you should also describe his offensive stance gratuitous violence in the community, including IRC, you offend people without being present. If you want to know, and I leave besides speak at YAPC, stopped sponsoring it because of your posture and how things are conducted. I preferred not associate my statup to that. Not to mention that you've been banned, but insist on slandering people who work together with you =) You think you come to claim another PM make you better? Just makes you ridiculous internationally. Dirty laundry is washed at home and not playing the fan ;) Start paying a beer =D -- -dom -- IBM - Business Analytics Optimization Consultant Daniel Mantovani +5511 8538-9897 XOXO
Re: Why I give up my talk in YAPC
On Wed, Jul 03, 2013 at 02:17:15PM -0300, Daniel de Oliveira Mantovani wrote: Mark Fowler, http://paste.scsys.co.uk/259635 looks like freenode. It is so sad there people dedicating so hard to build a better community and this kind of people ruins everything. The fallicy here is to assume there is a community. There isn't. There are many, many, partially overlapping communities, consisting of a wide range of people having various links with Perl and other people in the various communities. And while some communities may have one, or a group of people in charge (either de facto or de jure), there's no ruling body overseeing all the communities. Neither is there a ring to bind them all. If you find yourself in a community where you don't like what's happening, and you can't or won't want to change it, move on; there are many other Perl related communities to join. Complaining in one community about another usually isn't very helpful; it's certainly not likely to change the other community. Regards, Abigail
