Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread James Laver
On 26 Sep 2013, at 05:29, Kieren Diment dim...@gmail.com wrote:

 Mornington Crescent.
 
 (with apologies)

Surely only at the end of his trip?

Given he wants Euston, it's less silly than it sounds, but Camden is a bit 
gauche.

I'm rather fond of the Great Northern Hotel at King's Cross (or at least it's a 
favourite brunch spot), but it's definitely not a cheap option. Alternatively 
how about somewhere lovely in Somers Town (Euston)? Bloomsbury would also be 
convenient and is quite beautiful. Again, an easy walk into Euston. Fitzrovia 
would put you one stop away (Warren St) or a slightly longer walk and is also 
quite lovely with some great eating.

James


Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Given that you're only going to/from the station a couple of times, I
wouldn't worry about it. Euston is well connected and there's always magic
black chariots. Pick where you want to stay and enjoy that.

Also, Camden is a great place but is a bit short of hotels, except the
Holiday Inn. Go central if you can.


Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread Smylers
Randy J. Ray writes:

 Last time I was out, I stayed near the theater district district. I
 was a pleasant walk to the Metro station, one of the major ones
 (Victoria, maybe?). But it wasn't the station I used to get to
 Telford, and *this* time I expect to be carrying a little more luggage
 (I plan to bring a few models to the show). So I would prefer to get a
 hotel closer to the Metro station that I'll be leaving from for
 Telford.

Is it the total distance from your hotel to Euston that you wish to
minimize, or the distance walking?

If the latter, then any hotel near a Tube stop that has direct trains to
Euston would do, and what matters is how close the hotel is to that Tube
station, not how many stops it is from Euston.

My experience of staying in various central London hotels is that nearly
all of them are either eye-wateringly expensive (generally chains) or
shockingly shabby (often small guest houses, some with ‘hotel’ in their
names; in some cases they've been verging on unhygienic).

We'll also be spending a couple of nights in London in November, where
we found a Premier Inn quoting £189 for 1 night, which is crazy money
for a budget hotel.

So we went for the St Paul's YHA. We've stayed there before. It's
pleasantly done out, inexpensive, very centrally located, and without
the massive ‘ick’ factor of the cheap hotels I've stayed in. In general
I recommend it. (I can't remember how much lockable storage space you
get in a shared room though, which is obviously relevant to somebody
travelling with models.) http://www.yha.org.uk/hostel/london-st-pauls

 I would also like to find a place that will make it (relatively) easy
 to get to Heathrow Monday morning for my flight out.

Last month we stayed at the Jurys Inn in Hatton Cross, before our
morning flight from Heathrow. It's very close to Hatton Cross Tube
station (there's just one building between the two, albeit a reasonably
sized one), which is on the perimeter fence of Heathrow; it's just 1 or
2 stops on the Tube to your terminal. The hotel was fine, and the staff
friendly: http://heathrowhotels.jurysinns.com/

Good luck with sorting it out

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Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread Joel Bernstein
On 26 September 2013 06:14, Randy J. Ray rj...@blackperl.com wrote:

 So, what I could use help with is this: Firstly, can someone identify for
 me what the Metro station is that I would be leaving from to go to Telford.
 Then, what postal code(s) should I look for hotels in? I figure I'll use
 hotels.com or something like that to actually find a place in my budget
 range. But I don't know where anything is, and without my A-Z I can't even
 look things up! Lastly, suggestions for a place, or at least the postal
 codes to look in, to stay on the 10th as well.



You'll travel to Telford (via Birmingham/Wolverhampton) from Euston rail
station. It's accessible by at least 3 Underground lines (you'll want to
get to Euston or Euston Square underground stations). It's not a very
interesting area but James already suggested some nearby. As Dave says,
it's not hard to get to Euston, you can always take a taxi, better to stay
somewhere you like the look / sound of. Postcodewise you're talking NW1 I
think. Do understand that cheap hotels in London are not cheap and tend to
be appallingly low quality.

I'm not sure why you consider an outdated A-Z essential, just use Google
Maps like everybody else does.

/joel


Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread Alan Mosca
I've got one word for you : Priceline. You can easily get sub 100$ per
night and have a 4*, depending on period. YMMV.
I wouldn't worry about the station, you can get to Euston from anywhere in
zones 1-2 within half an hour max, and hotels tend to be near transport.
Also don't underestimate the power of the red buses.
On 26 Sep 2013 10:32, Smylers smyl...@stripey.com wrote:

 Randy J. Ray writes:

  Last time I was out, I stayed near the theater district district. I
  was a pleasant walk to the Metro station, one of the major ones
  (Victoria, maybe?). But it wasn't the station I used to get to
  Telford, and *this* time I expect to be carrying a little more luggage
  (I plan to bring a few models to the show). So I would prefer to get a
  hotel closer to the Metro station that I'll be leaving from for
  Telford.

 Is it the total distance from your hotel to Euston that you wish to
 minimize, or the distance walking?

 If the latter, then any hotel near a Tube stop that has direct trains to
 Euston would do, and what matters is how close the hotel is to that Tube
 station, not how many stops it is from Euston.

 My experience of staying in various central London hotels is that nearly
 all of them are either eye-wateringly expensive (generally chains) or
 shockingly shabby (often small guest houses, some with ‘hotel’ in their
 names; in some cases they've been verging on unhygienic).

 We'll also be spending a couple of nights in London in November, where
 we found a Premier Inn quoting £189 for 1 night, which is crazy money
 for a budget hotel.

 So we went for the St Paul's YHA. We've stayed there before. It's
 pleasantly done out, inexpensive, very centrally located, and without
 the massive ‘ick’ factor of the cheap hotels I've stayed in. In general
 I recommend it. (I can't remember how much lockable storage space you
 get in a shared room though, which is obviously relevant to somebody
 travelling with models.) http://www.yha.org.uk/hostel/london-st-pauls

  I would also like to find a place that will make it (relatively) easy
  to get to Heathrow Monday morning for my flight out.

 Last month we stayed at the Jurys Inn in Hatton Cross, before our
 morning flight from Heathrow. It's very close to Hatton Cross Tube
 station (there's just one building between the two, albeit a reasonably
 sized one), which is on the perimeter fence of Heathrow; it's just 1 or
 2 stops on the Tube to your terminal. The hotel was fine, and the staff
 friendly: http://heathrowhotels.jurysinns.com/

 Good luck with sorting it out

 Smylers
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Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread Bob Walker

On Thu, 26 Sep 2013, Alan Mosca wrote:


Also don't underestimate the power of the red buses.


to not get you somewhere on time.

buses are fine but if you need to be soemwhere at a certain time like say 
catching a train you should leave yourself a relatively large margin of 
delayedness.




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Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread Kieren Diment
Yeah, but I already won. Ungetlemanly as my strategy was. 

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Sent from my phone, so please excuse spelling mistakes, top posting, brevity 
etc. 

On 26/09/2013, at 17:03, James Laver james.la...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 26 Sep 2013, at 05:29, Kieren Diment dim...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Mornington Crescent.
 
 (with apologies)
 
 Surely only at the end of his trip?



Re: Robot turtles

2013-09-26 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:55:24PM +0100, Martin Robertson wrote:
 So I was too slow to get in on the '1st 10' as arranged by el Smyler.
 
 Am told there are 5 others thus far in a similar state, so :
 I'll poke my head above the parapet long enough to make the same offer
 to organise a group purchase.
 
 currently 2 confirmed; msg off-list please!
 cheers, mart.

Thanks for volunteering to herd cats [in your own self interest :-)]

I've just done 10 for vienna.pm/2 in Salzburg/a friend
There are about 36 hours left.

I hope this all works out, else I'm going to be left looking a bit silly.

Nicholas Clark


Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread James Laver
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Kieren Diment dim...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yeah, but I already won. Ungetlemanly as my strategy was.

 --
 Sent from my phone, so please excuse spelling mistakes, top posting, brevity 
 etc.

You were in Nidd. Also, we were playing Mornington Croissant.*

James
* http://www.isihac.co.uk/games/mcvariations/mc-m.html


Re: Robot turtles

2013-09-26 Thread Martin Robertson
On 26 September 2013 11:08, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote:
 Thanks for volunteering to herd cats [in your own self interest :-)]

 I've just done 10 for vienna.pm/2 in Salzburg/a friend
 There are about 36 hours left.

 I hope this all works out, else I'm going to be left looking a bit silly.

Have just placed an order for another LPM-10,
although have only had 6 requests;

They'll make neat gifts - unless anyone else wants to get in on 'em?

cheers aye, mart.


Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread Will Crawford
Morning tongue croissant!

On 26 September 2013 11:22, James Laver james.la...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Kieren Diment dim...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yeah, but I already won. Ungetlemanly as my strategy was.

 --
 Sent from my phone, so please excuse spelling mistakes, top posting, brevity 
 etc.

 You were in Nidd. Also, we were playing Mornington Croissant.*

 James
 * http://www.isihac.co.uk/games/mcvariations/mc-m.html


Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread Smylers
Alan Mosca writes:

 I've got one word for you : Priceline.

OK, I've never used Priceline before so just had a look to see what they
can find for our London trip.

 You can easily get sub 100$ per night and have a 4*, depending on
 period.

The dates were fixed for us (we're attending a wedding).

I dispute “easily”. By default it searches all of London, which is
surely useless for everybody. It doesn't allow narrowing down by
postcode or Tube station. Admittedly it does offer to search by
proximity to golf courses, but regrettably directions for venues tend
not to mention those in the way they do postcodes and stations.

So I'm left reading through a long list of ‘other landmarks’ to work out
which one is likely to be nearest to where we want to stay, then going
through the resulting hotels list, adjusting the distances given to
allow for the delta between the location we actually want to search near
and the one it let us search near.

At which point it turns out that some of the purported hotels in the
list are actually hostels or apartments.

So far as I can tell we can get actual, non-scummy, hotels for $182 or
$239. Which admittedly is less than £189, but still way over the $100
you mentioned.

Oh, except that there's an extra mysterious[*] ‘taxes and fees’ added at
checkout, which I'm guessing is VAT, making the $182 actually $218 per
night (which, when translated to sterling, is exactly the same price
that Booking.com quote for that room on those dates).

[*] Mysterious in the sense that they don't even try to justify how they
calculated that particular charge for this booking, just waffling on
about the kinds of things they cover.

 YMMV.

Apparently it did.

Having already checked Booking.com, Priceline didn't find anything
additional or provide better rates. And nor was it's interface so slick
or process so helpful that I'm wishing I'd used it instead of
Booking.com.

Smylers
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Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread david
  

You could try http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ [2] It certainly
appears to be able to position your hotel better than Priceline. 

I
would echo what other people have said about picking the hotel you like,
based on price, facilities, scenic location, etc., but don't worry *too*
much about proximity to the station. You can get pretty much anywhere in
central London in about 20-30 mins by tube/taxi. 

My suggestion would
be to look at the slew of (relatively) recently built entry-level
chain hotels (Novotel, Premier Inn, etc.) that have been built south of
the river in Southwark[*] between Waterloo and London Bridge. Both of
those stations are on the Northern Line, which will take you direct to
Euston. 

David 

[*] Pronounced Suth-ark ;-) 

On Thu, 26 Sep 2013
11:55:37 +0100, Smylers wrote: 

 Alan Mosca writes:
 
 I've got one
word for you : Priceline.
 
 OK, I've never used Priceline before so
just had a look to see what they
 can find for our London trip.
 

You can easily get sub 100$ per night and have a 4*, depending on
period.
 
 The dates were fixed for us (we're attending a wedding).


 I dispute easily. By default it searches all of London, which is

surely useless for everybody. It doesn't allow narrowing down by

postcode or Tube station. Admittedly it does offer to search by

proximity to golf courses, but regrettably directions for venues tend

not to mention those in the way they do postcodes and stations.
 
 So
I'm left reading through a long list of 'other landmarks' to work out

which one is likely to be nearest to where we want to stay, then going

through the resulting hotels list, adjusting the distances given to

allow for the delta between the location we actually want to search
near
 and the one it let us search near.
 
 At which point it turns
out that some of the purported hotels in the
 list are actually hostels
or apartments.
 
 So far as I can tell we can get actual, non-scummy,
hotels for $182 or
 $239. Which admittedly is less than £189, but still
way over the $100
 you mentioned.
 
 Oh, except that there's an extra
mysterious[*] 'taxes and fees' added at
 checkout, which I'm guessing
is VAT, making the $182 actually $218 per
 night (which, when
translated to sterling, is exactly the same price
 that Booking.com
quote for that room on those dates).
 
 [*] Mysterious in the sense
that they don't even try to justify how they
 calculated that
particular charge for this booking, just waffling on
 about the kinds
of things they cover.
 

Links:
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[1]
http://www.alltrials.net/blog/the-alltrials-campaign/
[2]
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/


Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread Andrew Beattie
May I recommend airbnb.co.uk

This is often staying in the spare room of someone's home, so the price tends 
to be reasonable.

They show the locations on a map, so it is easy to pick a suitable one.

I use it regularly and like it.

Andrew


On 26 Sep 2013, at 11:55, Smylers smyl...@stripey.com wrote:

 Alan Mosca writes:
 
 I've got one word for you : Priceline.
 
 OK, I've never used Priceline before so just had a look to see what they
 can find for our London trip.
 
 You can easily get sub 100$ per night and have a 4*, depending on
 period.
 
 The dates were fixed for us (we're attending a wedding).
 
 I dispute “easily”. By default it searches all of London, which is
 surely useless for everybody. It doesn't allow narrowing down by
 postcode or Tube station. Admittedly it does offer to search by
 proximity to golf courses, but regrettably directions for venues tend
 not to mention those in the way they do postcodes and stations.
 
 So I'm left reading through a long list of ‘other landmarks’ to work out
 which one is likely to be nearest to where we want to stay, then going
 through the resulting hotels list, adjusting the distances given to
 allow for the delta between the location we actually want to search near
 and the one it let us search near.
 
 At which point it turns out that some of the purported hotels in the
 list are actually hostels or apartments.
 
 So far as I can tell we can get actual, non-scummy, hotels for $182 or
 $239. Which admittedly is less than £189, but still way over the $100
 you mentioned.
 
 Oh, except that there's an extra mysterious[*] ‘taxes and fees’ added at
 checkout, which I'm guessing is VAT, making the $182 actually $218 per
 night (which, when translated to sterling, is exactly the same price
 that Booking.com quote for that room on those dates).
 
 [*] Mysterious in the sense that they don't even try to justify how they
 calculated that particular charge for this booking, just waffling on
 about the kinds of things they cover.
 
 YMMV.
 
 Apparently it did.
 
 Having already checked Booking.com, Priceline didn't find anything
 additional or provide better rates. And nor was it's interface so slick
 or process so helpful that I'm wishing I'd used it instead of
 Booking.com.
 
 Smylers
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Perl Doom and Gloom

2013-09-26 Thread Kieren Diment
I've noticed a couple of threads in here recently about how perl's situation is 
all doom and gloom.  Just so you know, I've noticed a handful of new, very 
non-trivial perl projects to produce important infrastructure of international 
importance over the last few months.




Re: Perl Doom and Gloom

2013-09-26 Thread Th. J. van Hoesel

Op 26 sep. 2013, om 13:37 heeft Kieren Diment het volgende geschreven:

 I've noticed a couple of threads in here recently about how perl's situation 
 is all doom and gloom.  Just so you know, I've noticed a handful of new, very 
 non-trivial perl projects to produce important infrastructure of 
 international importance over the last few months.
 
 


Oh... I am really all ears now !!

Trying to convince the University of Amsterdam that their students should know 
(about) Perl. Just in the process of organising the next PerlWorkshop in the 
Netherlands. There is enough debate on why one should or should not use Perl, 
but interesting examples of where we apply the 'duct-tape' brings it all more 
close to home.


Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 09:14:07PM -0700, Randy J. Ray wrote:

   So I would prefer to get a hotel closer to the 
 Metro station that I'll be leaving from for Telford.

Euston.  You'll probably need to change trains at one of the Birmingham
stations.  See http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/.

I would also like 
 to find a place that will make it (relatively) easy to get to Heathrow 
 Monday morning for my flight out.

Heathrow is at the end of the Piccadilly line, and has trains from
Paddington. If the flight is horribly early, I'd just stay at one of
the ghastly hotels at the airport*. Otherwise, stay near Paddington, as
the train is a lot quicker than the Piccadilly line.

* I've not stayed at any of them, but they're at an airport so are bound
  to be horrid. Everything to do with airports is.

 So, what I could use help with is this: Firstly, can someone identify 
 for me what the Metro station is that I would be leaving from to go to 
 Telford. Then, what postal code(s) should I look for hotels in? I figure 
 I'll use hotels.com or something like that to actually find a place in 
 my budget range.

Booking.com knows about areas of London, so no postcode necessary, just
tell it Paddington or Euston.

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You can't spell slaughter without laughter


Re: Perl Doom and Gloom

2013-09-26 Thread Mark Keating

On 26/09/2013 12:37, Kieren Diment wrote:

I've noticed a couple of threads in here recently about how perl's situation is 
all doom and gloom.  Just so you know, I've noticed a handful of new, very 
non-trivial perl projects to produce important infrastructure of international 
importance over the last few months.


Kieren, could you private msg me a list of them please. I know someone 
with a secret community project who needs some info.


Kind regards

Mark

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Re: Perl Doom and Gloom

2013-09-26 Thread Abigail
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 09:37:39PM +1000, Kieren Diment wrote:
 I've noticed a couple of threads in here recently about how perl's situation 
 is all doom and gloom.  Just so you know, I've noticed a handful of new, very 
 non-trivial perl projects to produce important infrastructure of 
 international importance over the last few months.
 


I've been programming Perl since 1995. I have heard people talking about
the doom and gloom of Perl ever since (and probably before, people did
as well).

18 years later, and I'm still programming in Perl. Nowadays, even as a
developer, with 100+ coworkers who also program in the same language.



Abigail


Re: Perl Doom and Gloom

2013-09-26 Thread Dominic Thoreau
On 26 September 2013 12:53, Mark Keating m.keat...@shadowcat.co.uk wrote:

 On 26/09/2013 12:37, Kieren Diment wrote:

 I've noticed a couple of threads in here recently about how perl's
 situation is all doom and gloom.  Just so you know, I've noticed a handful
 of new, very non-trivial perl projects to produce important infrastructure
 of international importance over the last few months.


  Kieren, could you private msg me a list of them please. I know someone
 with a secret community project who needs some info.

 Kind regards

 I know my last employer was very reluctant to know let anyone know we used
perl internally, as he felt if there were security holes found in the
language we'd be open to hackers.

Not that his paranoia was entirely unjustified (the company would be a bit
of a high profile target at times), but I'm not convinced it was always
necessary.


-- 
And a big Hiya goes out to the fun crew from GCHQ.


Re: Perl Doom and Gloom

2013-09-26 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 01:21:25PM +0100, Dominic Thoreau wrote:

 I know my last employer was very reluctant to know let anyone know we used
 perl internally, as he felt if there were security holes found in the
 language we'd be open to hackers.
 
 Not that his paranoia was entirely unjustified (the company would be a bit
 of a high profile target at times), but I'm not convinced it was always
 necessary.

Would he have been equally paranoid with any other language?
Or just open source hippie code? :-)

 
 -- 
 And a big Hiya goes out to the fun crew from GCHQ.

I wonder if they're using Perl. We've never seen any bug reports from them.

Nicholas Clark


Re: Perl Doom and Gloom

2013-09-26 Thread Nic Gibson
On 26 Sep 2013, at 14:27, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote:

 On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 01:21:25PM +0100, Dominic Thoreau wrote:
 
 I know my last employer was very reluctant to know let anyone know we used
 perl internally, as he felt if there were security holes found in the
 language we'd be open to hackers.
 
 Not that his paranoia was entirely unjustified (the company would be a bit
 of a high profile target at times), but I'm not convinced it was always
 necessary.
 
 Would he have been equally paranoid with any other language?
 Or just open source hippie code? :-)
 
 
 -- 
 And a big Hiya goes out to the fun crew from GCHQ.
 
 I wonder if they're using Perl. We've never seen any bug reports from them.

They are (or at least some of their people attend Perl training courses)

nic

 
 Nicholas Clark

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Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread david
  

The Shard effect, perhaps ? 

Maybe the Novotel or Ibis on
Blackfriars Road or the Premier Inn on Great Suffolk St...  

/david


On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:53:16 +0100, Smylers wrote: 

 david writes:


 My suggestion would be to look at the slew of (relatively) recently
built entry-level chain hotels (Novotel, Premier Inn, etc.) that have
been built south of the river in Southwark[*] between Waterloo and
London Bridge.
 
 As it happens the Premier Inn that quoted us £189
for a night is in
 London Bridge. Hopefully Randy will be less unlucky
than we were in
 finding a reasonable price.
 
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Re: Perl Doom and Gloom

2013-09-26 Thread Smylers
Nic Gibson writes:

 On 26 Sep 2013, at 14:27, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote:
 
  On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 01:21:25PM +0100, Dominic Thoreau wrote:
  
   -- 
   And a big Hiya goes out to the fun crew from GCHQ.
  
  I wonder if they're using Perl.
 
 They are (or at least some of their people attend Perl training
 courses)

That's just a pretext for spying on Perl hackers.

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Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread Peter Corlett
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:20:08AM +0100, Smylers wrote:
[...]
 We'll also be spending a couple of nights in London in November, where we
 found a Premier Inn quoting £189 for 1 night, which is crazy money for a
 budget hotel.

That'll be because they're pricing for business travellers spending somebody
else's money.

Look for a BB near a Victoria or Northern Line station in Zone 2 so you can
easily get to Euston without too much faff. You can get a room for £40-50 per
night in Clapham, for example.



Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread Alan Mosca
You're not using the 'name your own price'  tool are you? Try that. You can
narrow it by area, star level and bid your own price.
On 26 Sep 2013 12:07, Smylers smyl...@stripey.com wrote:

 Alan Mosca writes:

  I've got one word for you : Priceline.

 OK, I've never used Priceline before so just had a look to see what they
 can find for our London trip.

  You can easily get sub 100$ per night and have a 4*, depending on
  period.

 The dates were fixed for us (we're attending a wedding).

 I dispute “easily”. By default it searches all of London, which is
 surely useless for everybody. It doesn't allow narrowing down by
 postcode or Tube station. Admittedly it does offer to search by
 proximity to golf courses, but regrettably directions for venues tend
 not to mention those in the way they do postcodes and stations.

 So I'm left reading through a long list of ‘other landmarks’ to work out
 which one is likely to be nearest to where we want to stay, then going
 through the resulting hotels list, adjusting the distances given to
 allow for the delta between the location we actually want to search near
 and the one it let us search near.

 At which point it turns out that some of the purported hotels in the
 list are actually hostels or apartments.

 So far as I can tell we can get actual, non-scummy, hotels for $182 or
 $239. Which admittedly is less than £189, but still way over the $100
 you mentioned.

 Oh, except that there's an extra mysterious[*] ‘taxes and fees’ added at
 checkout, which I'm guessing is VAT, making the $182 actually $218 per
 night (which, when translated to sterling, is exactly the same price
 that Booking.com quote for that room on those dates).

 [*] Mysterious in the sense that they don't even try to justify how they
 calculated that particular charge for this booking, just waffling on
 about the kinds of things they cover.

  YMMV.

 Apparently it did.

 Having already checked Booking.com, Priceline didn't find anything
 additional or provide better rates. And nor was it's interface so slick
 or process so helpful that I'm wishing I'd used it instead of
 Booking.com.

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Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread Smylers
Peter Corlett writes:

 On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:20:08AM +0100, Smylers wrote:
 
  We'll also be spending a couple of nights in London in November,
  where we found a Premier Inn quoting £189 for 1 night, which is
  crazy money for a budget hotel.
 
 That'll be because they're pricing for business travellers spending
 somebody else's money.

On a Saturday night?

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Re: Robot turtles

2013-09-26 Thread Martin Robertson
On 26 September 2013 11:31, Martin Robertson
mansionhouseproje...@gmail.com wrote:

 Have just placed an order for another LPM-10,
 although have only had 6 requests;

 They'll make neat gifts - unless anyone else wants to get in on 'em?

and they're all gone.

two more reqs subsequently recvd,
so maybe someone else'll step up?

cheers aye, mart.


Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread Smylers
Alan Mosca writes:

 You're not using the 'name your own price' tool are you?

Ah, I clearly hadn't spotted that in the interface, nor realized that's
what you meant by your “one word”.

 Try that.

Ah, yes. That will give a 4-star hotel for $125 a night (what a bid of
$100 became once mysterious taxes and fees were added on).

 You can narrow it by area, star level and bid your own price.

True, though the areas are fairly large (12 areas cover all of London),
and you don't know at the time of booking which hotel you're getting —
which means you can't do things like check they can provide a cot before
paying and committing, let alone see how far they are from the nearest
Tube station (or which line they're on), look for guest reviews, and so
on.

We wouldn't've risked that for our trip, but I can see it being useful
for some.

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Re: Perl Doom and Gloom

2013-09-26 Thread Kent Fredric
On 26 September 2013 23:37, Kieren Diment dim...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've noticed a couple of threads in here recently about how perl's
 situation is all doom and gloom.  Just so you know, I've noticed a handful
 of new, very non-trivial perl projects to produce important infrastructure
 of international importance over the last few months.



Weird. I've been getting an opposite effect myself. Maybe I'm just ignoring
the doom and gloom crowd. But I keep discovering cool new stuff turning up,
stuff that makes it even harder for me to ever use something that isn't
perl.

Also, some of us are writing books! :D

#youdontknowperl  /shameless self promotion


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Re: Could use some hotel/travel help

2013-09-26 Thread Dirk Koopman

On 26/09/13 10:42, Alan Mosca wrote:

I've got one word for you : Priceline.


Er.. http://booking.com (well known supporters of all things perl)?