Re: [ANNOUNCE] Damian Conway Speaking at London.pm: Monday, 10th March
Uri Guttman said:
On 03/06/2014 06:28 PM, Salve J Nilsen wrote:
Mark Overmeer said:
* mascip (mas...@gmail.com) [140306 08:39]:
I can't make it. Any chance that our will be filmed?
You may be able come to hear Damian in Amsterdam on March 18 ;-)
Or in Oslo on March 26th and 28th :D
how did you convince or blackmail damian to be in oslo in march?!
I think the cause lies in his Aussome future-gazing superpowers predicting the
warm weather in Oslo. My influence is rather limited, sadly. :-)
about 10 years ago i produced his training in boston in february and he was
frozen to icicles. :) i imagine it would be colder in oslo only a month
later. what is the mean temp there in march? and i mean MEAN temp!
No idea how cold Boston is, but you can always look at the stats :)
http://www.yr.no/place/United_States/Massachusetts/Boston/statistics.html
http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Oslo/Oslo/Oslo/statistics.html
...or the climate data:
http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Oslo/Oslo/Oslo/climate.html
Having said that, the mean march isn't really that mean in Oslo. :)
- Salve
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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Damian Conway Speaking at London.pm: Monday, 10th March
Mark Overmeer said:
* mascip (mas...@gmail.com) [140306 08:39]:
I can't make it. Any chance that our will be filmed?
You may be able come to hear Damian in Amsterdam on March 18 ;-)
Or in Oslo on March 26th and 28th :D
- Salve
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Re: Main general Perl mailing list
gvim said:
On 12/02/2014 16:11, Dave Cross wrote:
Why did you want to know?
I asked because I wanted to know which mailing list, outside of the PM
lists, is considered to be the main mailing list for general Perl questions.
When I looked on lists.perl.org there were 200 to choose from.
The Perl community is huge, so it hasn't been had any "main" forum like you're
looking for, for many years - if ever. That's why everyone is asking "what are
you *actually* looking for".
If you're looking for authoriy voices, they can be found everywhere, all of
them specialized in certain fields and often with their own rules and
traditions. Several of us on this mailing list may be able to help you find
the right forum (if there is one) for your purposes, but we can't really help
you if you're not willing to go beyond your current position.
You won't find a "CEO of Perl" or some "Perl Steering committee" mailing list.
There isn't one. We're all distributed and only as organized as we have to,
and as long as the Perl community remains a volunteer effort, that's not
likely to change.
Having said that, volunteering comes with a cost and one thing many are wary
of, is wasting the (rather precious) time of core volunteers. That's certainly
one important reason why we ask you what your intentions are. And since you
haven't offered anything substantial, this makes certain warning bells ring. I
hope you understand.
Regards,
- Salve J. Nilsen (Oslo.pm)
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Re: Bug?
Kieren Diment said:
use List::Util qw/shuffle/;
my @list = @{$self->answer_list_orig_order};
@list = shuffle @list if $self->random_order;
return \@list
returns the list unshuffled.
What's up with that?
What does $self->random_order return in this case?
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Re: Fosdem 2013
Wendy G.A. van Dijk said:
At 12:02 AM 8/15/2013, Duncan Garland wrote:
Is there going to be a Perl stall or a dev room at the next Fosdem? Duncan
If it is up to me, yes, there will. But the organisers of Fosdem did not
even yet send out mailings to react to, so we cannot yet apply for a booth
or a devroom. But be assured that we will apply for both.
Devrooms have been announced on the FOSDEM blog:
https://fosdem.org/2014/news/2013-08-06-call-for-participation/
"Developer room proposals should be emailed to devro...@fosdem.org and be as
detailed as possible. In particular, coordinators should indicate their
affinity with the topic being proposed and provide a rough idea of the
content they plan to schedule."
Key dates:
15 September
deadline for developer room proposals
1 October
deadline for main track proposals
accepted developer rooms announced
- Salve
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RE: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
Duncan Garland said:
Isn't this something TPF should get behind?
Please, when asking about wether @organization can do something, be so
kind to consider
@organization == @people_who_already_volunteer_a_lot;
# (apologies for the bad code)
If you appreciate having a lively community of and for Perl amateurs
and professionals, please consider helping the effort a little.
Especially if you haven't already. Even small contributions of time
make a big difference.
- Salve (Oslo.pm volunteer going to FOSDEM, intending to help)
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Re: Perl outreach
Peter Sergeant said:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Salve J Nilsen wrote:
«So you want to write some useful software? Learn from Perl. We in
the Perl community saw what happened when one just focuses "getting
stuff done" without spending any attention on software life-cycle
management. So, what did we learn? Write software that is easy to
understand and fun to read. In fact, try to write software that one
only needs to read once, but that one *wants* to read twice. This
is difficult, but less so with Perl. You need a language that is
flexible and malleable enough so you can express the intention of
your code in the way that is best for your readers. This is where
Perl shines. If you wield the tool well you can make wonderful
things, and if you don't you'll probably end up making crap.»
Comments? :)
I think you could swap in any language name there, and no-one would
be any wiser that you started off with "Perl".
Would mentioning TIMTOWTDI address your point? e.g. «... This is where
Perl shines. We call this flexibility TIMTOWTDI, and it's a core
philosophy in our language. ...»
Maybe this pitch can be improved in other ways too? (I'm sure if
someone with a better grasp of the English language than myself would
spend a little attention, we could get something useful out of it).
- Salve (one of those Oslo.pm people)
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Re: Perl outreach
Peter Sergeant said:
Fundamentally we fail to answer the question "Why Perl?"
Let's.
Here's my current pitch.
«So you want to write some useful software? Learn from Perl. We in
the Perl community saw what happened when one just focuses "getting
stuff done" without spending any attention on software life-cycle
management. So, what did we learn? Write software that is easy to
understand and fun to read. In fact, try to write software that one
only needs to read once, but that one *wants* to read twice. This is
difficult, but less so with Perl. You need a language that is flexible
and malleable enough so you can express the intention of your code in
the way that is best for your readers. This is where Perl shines. If
you wield the tool well you can make wonderful things, and if you
don't you'll probably end up making crap.»
Comments? :)
- Salve (one of those Oslo.pm guys)
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Re: Perl outreach
Daniel Mantovani said:
Dave Hodgkinson, I agree with you.
Why don't we start an event for everybody with different's kind of
subjects to attract people from others groups ? *The Perl community
just do events for Perl community*, and people "afraid" of Perl will
be always outside from the circle. We should start do events with
another name, to attract people *from everywhere*, and than we show
how Perl is fantastic.
The solution is simple and we already know that, so let's start talk
how fantastic I can solve the problem foo in Perl in a Ruby event,
let's talk about Perl in a PostgreSQL event and so go on. And people
we will see Perl how Perl really are.
FOSDEM might be a good place to do this. :)
- Salve
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Re: 25 Years of Perl
Dave Cross said:
What parts of Perl's history do you think are important. I'm
particularly interested in two areas.
1/ Technical
2/ Community
FWIW, I think the decision to start with time-based releases of Perl5
was a good one, and probably worth mentioning. Not sure if that should
be filed under 1/ or 2/. :)
- Salve
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Invitation to the "Moving to Moose" hackathon 2012
page!
- <http://act.yapc.eu/mtmh2012/sponsors.html>
Hope to see you there! :)
Kind regards,
- The hackathon organizers,
- Eystein Grusd (egon_)
- Marcus Ramberg (marcus)
- Kjetil Kjernsmo (kjetilk)
- Arne Sommer (arnesom)
- Salve J. Nilsen (sjn)
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Re: Writing About Perl
Dave Cross said:
So, purely hypothetically...
If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a
3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration of
how Perl had moved on in the last ten years, what would you do? What
would you write about?
I'd perhaps say that TIMTOWTDI has resulted in years of experimenting
and trying and failing and learning, leading to a CPAN and a Perl
community that is better and stronger than ever.
Being the laughing stock (so to speak) of dynamic language communities
for many years have been a useful motivation for introspecting and
reinventing ourselves. It's like the the big and shy nerd in class
taking years of beating by the cool kids, and when the penny finally
drops, he quietly says "No, my friends, there's actually a lot of good
going on with me and I'm not going to take your abuse any more. Now go
fuck *yourself*, thankyouverymuch."
:-P
- Salve (Oslo.pm)
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Re: LPW 2011 carpooling
Cosimo Streppone said:
On Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:19:19 +0200, Dirk Koopman wrote:
A pity that OSL doesn't have *free* wi-fi.
This is not true any more. OSL has free wifi now.
http://www.osl.no/en/osl/aboutus/_press/_newsarchive?FREE_WI-FI_NETWORK&id=181-129988
- Salve
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Re: RFC: Test::Copyright
David Cantrell said:
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:25:00PM +0100, Nicholas Bamber wrote:
Experience in packaging perl modules from CPAN , suggests that most
CPAN authors are woefully ignorant of copyright and licensing
issues.
Doing the Right Thing isn't exactly obvious/easy either, so I don't
find this surprising at all.
The concept appears to be flawed, as it appears to care about the
licence field in META.yml, which is known to have been a bad idea.
It's a bad idea because it only supports one value and because that
value has to be one of a small set of licences deemed acceptable.
What you describe here is a bug in the META.yml spec and/or its
supporting modules. No need to work around those when they can be
fixed, eh? :)
If you want to use any other licence, you're supposed to lie in
META.yml and say that your licence is "unknown".
"you're supposed to lie" sounds like a tremendously bad advice.
Obviously, there's something wrong here that can be fixed?
It also has the problem that only people who care will use your
module in their tests, and they will be exactly the sort of people
who don't need your module!
Adding copyright statements (even if arcane/outdated/whatever) is
useful to tell the world who decides the license. This is sometimes
very useful information (especially when the copyright holder chooses
stricter licenses, and the module is useful in commercial settings). I
think adding copyright and license information is helpful for the
former and necessary for the latter - especially if different files in
a distribution have different licenses, or some files are "imports"
from other projects (e.g. distributing a Catalyst app that has the
jQuery files packaged for conveniency.)
For this reason I think having a Test module might be useful (I'd
rather name it Test::License, though.) Make it an author test and put
it in xt/ somewhere.
- Salve (Oslo.pm)
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Re: Any active Perl podcasts?
Paul Makepeace said:
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 13:16, Steve Mynott wrote:
Are there any active Perl podcasts at all?
Not a Perl podcast, but here's a recent podcast containing Perl:
http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/15
Very nice podcast. Good to listen to an intelligent rant about
programming languages where Perl gets a proper consideration. :)
- Salve (Oslo.pm)
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Couch needed for some Norwegian guy
Hi, folks!
It's my first visit to LPW (and London, actually o_O) and I'm having
some trouble finding a place to stay. I'm a somewhat reserved guy, a
bit tall for some couches, don't smoke, and will gladly assist in any
social arrangements while I'm around.
I'm arriving thursday 2nd and leaving monday 6th, and I intend to be
at the workshop, t0m's hackathon and any social events where they
accept Norwegians :)
Anyone mind volunteering their couch for a few nights? :)
- Salve (Oslo.pm guy)
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