Seeking UML tips or alternatives
Hey Guys (n gals), I'm working on a Perl project that's got pretty large. I've been putting together a detailed project plan for the management and also some of the investors. They want it to include clear diagrams and I've been recommended UML, the problem is I haven't used UML before and it's looking pretty daunting. This didn't seem totally Perl related so rather than ask the Perl monks I thought maybe this list would be kind enough to give some pointers? Is there a preferred alternative to UML that's a bit more Perlish? Is there a Perlish way of using UML? I've really no idea on how to get started with this and all my *google-fu* is only filling my head with more questions. Any input much appreciated. PerlBloke
Re: London.pm Dim sum Thursday 1pm: New World
>On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:43:02PM +0100, Zbigniew Lukasiak wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Nicholas Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > I'm not a list admin, so I can't remove you from the list. But hopefully >> > there's enough information here to let you remove yourself, assuming that >> > you've not already done so. >> >> What a killjoy. > >May I add that you are lucky I am not a list admin, as you are near falling >foul of the rule(s) of the list. > >I do not have time for poo flinging simians, nor do they do our image any >good. > >Nicholas Clark I have to say I side with Nicholas on this one. If you find joy in tormenting people who make simple requests, maybe you should be looking at http://yp.direct.gov.uk/cyberbullying/ PerlBloke Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No... it's PerlBloke!
Pub for tomorrow?
Hi, I'm assuming others are travelling down to London the night before as I am. Is there a pub people are planning to meet at tomorrow night? PerlBloke
RE: *.perl.org facelift
>I put a few ideas together for a *.perl.org facelift. > > http://wardley.org/use.perl.org/test.html > >At the moment it's just a stick in the ground. It's probably the >wrong kind of stick and not in the right place, but it's a start. > >Pass it on. > >A This looks brilliant. A lot of Perl sites certainly could do with a face lift. I think it'd go a long way towards making Perl look more alive :) PerlBloke
Perl is Alive!
and kicking! Perl 5 doesn't need to be hip and new (like some people seem to think python and ruby are), Perl 6 will fix that Perl 5 is itself growing and evolving, bridging the gap to Perl 6 Parrot v1 is soon to hit the shelves Rakudo should be soon to follow The dusty old conservatives of the Perl community will slowly accept Perl 6 because it is a better *Perl* LPM seems to be slowly becoming more friendly to new comers (even Matt Trout was talking at LPW about new people getting involved and getting friendly support from the community) Newer groups like Italy, B&BPM, etc, seem to be going from strength to strength A lot of new (and old) ideas are coming up... Some people will make attempts to take them forward... After all once it's started, you never know who'll help or finish it... Perl itself doesn't need to make changes to attract new programmers. Perl is great, that's why we are all here :) All we need is to make new people try coding Perl. Perl does the rest. Looking to hard at other languages and trying to pull programmers from them is futile (unless you are talking about ones like VB). The future is with the youth, and the solution is simple, as Tony said "Education, Education, Education!". Perlbloke
Re: Perl is Alive!
Nige wrote:- >p.s. maybe we could have an auction item - let's buy back perl.com? This sounds like a good idea. >Tom has been licensing perl.com to ORA for the last 8 years for personal >profit. He's done well out of it - he's also amenable to assigning it to >the >Perl Foundation - what's the problem? That he would be considerably out of pocket. Maybe a figure could be negotiated with Tom for the domain, and fund raising could be made to get it for TPF? PerlBloke
Easy install Perl (was Perl is ...)
I was a bit late to weigh in on this point before the original thread was closed... >Hi Stefano! > >> Ok for Perl as a language, but the point gains sense if Perl is considered >> as a technology. For example, I think PHP gained momentum for the >> simplicity of the installing procedures of products based on it. > >I think this simplicity of those installations derives from the fact that >providers are easily able to build a php/mod_php which includes the most used >things (mail functions, database access, image processing) directly into the >php binary. PHP programmers only need to upload their .php files via FTP and >they just work. No modules to install, it's all already there. Now PHP has grown a lot of scripts need different PHP extensions installed. But due to the popularity of PHP hosts are generally more than willing to do this. >Should we go as far as creating a "mod_lightperl" alike to mod_php, which >makes the interpreter stay resident and and bundles the commonly used >web-related >modules? I don't think this is the way forward. But having a way of getting Perl to be like this with an established technology like FastCGI would be very useful. That way standard CGI scripts would be able to take advantage of already having the interpreter loaded without having to code specifically for FastCGI. Something like mod_lightperl would keep things tied in with apache, whereas FastCGI works with Apache, IIS, LigHTTPD and a lot of others. >> Like embperl? >> http://perl.apache.org/embperl/ > >Yes, exactly like this, plus the smoothing of some of the edges. Along >with the bundles you were talking about (CPAN-Standard, ...) this could >provide the fast way to setup an Apache-based environment where user can >just "upload they're pages with some Perl within and go" (like they do >with PHP). A project for bundles has already been started. http://www.perlcertifiedhosting.com/index.html although things are on pause at the moment while the wiki gets sorted and a project path outlined. I know they are still open for new people to get involved. I was lucky enough to be at one of the B&BPM meets where one of the members spoke about a new project called PerlSI (Perl Scriptable Installer). The aim of this was to address the issues of getting Perl applications installed on machines quickly and easily. Such as installing and configuring Apache if needed, installing all the deps, etc. Including installing XS modules in a shared hosting environment. Giving the user a friendly GUI or command line interface and the developer an easy framework to adapt to their needs. They said after spending weeks looking into things and all the options, Perl actually has the potential for apps to be easier to install that PHP ones in a variety of hosting environments including IIS and Apache. I'm sure there will be a notification of this project on this list once some headway has been made. PerlBloke
I'm afraid I'm leaving already :(
Hey People, I'm afraid I leaving this group. I was going to post this 3 days ago, but I thought best to let it sit over the weekend to make sure I felt the same way. There seems to be an air of fear for all the people who lurk on this list. For those that are brave enough to post, they soon get shot down and discouraged from posting. This can be for making simple mistakes, or having an opinion an outspoken Cabal member does not agree with. My second post here was:- >I have to say I side with Nicholas on this one. > >If you find joy in tormenting people who make simple requests, maybe you >should be looking at http://yp.direct.gov.uk/cyberbullying/ (my first post was only in desperation as management was breathing down my neck and I didn't know where to turn about Perl an UML) I posted that and started to make and effort to contribute to this group as I saw a well known and respected member of this group stand up and say "I do not have time for poo flinging simians, nor do they do our image any good." I was wholly impressed by this, and felt a mood of change, so I decided it was time to start posting. All my posts since were aimed to encourage Perl and the community to do good things and help Perl grow and evolve. The Perl is Dead post hurt so much I just had to start a Perl is Alive thread. The majority of this group, as I read it, are good. They want good things for Perl. The main problem member for me recently is Jonathan Stowe. Some newer posters were trying to put out a good message for this group, reminding people that Perl was intended to be for everyone and expressing things about Perl that were important to them. It seems that Jonathan has acted quickly to put them in 'their place' as he appears to see it. Some recent replies from Jonathan Stowe:- >>If there is anyone out there who still doubts that London.pm is a >>place where all things are possible; who still wonders if the dream of >>our founders is alive in our time; who still questions the power of >>our democracy... > >Nothing in the above should be taken as meaning that London.pm is infact >a democracy of course ... Our leader makes a nice inspiring speech, Jonathan is quick to discourage people. >Strange how you seem to be towing exactly the same line as the *thrice* >banned Lyle Hopkins I posted a link to a group that is trying to achieve exactly what the previous posters were suggesting. It doesn't matter who has taken the time to start the group, it was wholly relevant. >I'll put your attempt to get us to participate in copyright theft down >to naivete, stupidity or youthful enthusiasm but please do not do this >again. This was completely unnecessary, he made a mistake, we are all human. It clearly wasn't "an attempt to get us to participate in copyright theft" nor were your comments needed. >> Let's just be nice, mm'kay? > >"Nice" doesn't cut it: politeness - that is to say adhering to a set >of basic community norms and, if one doesn't understand those norms, >not making up a standard for yourself that is at conflict with them >and then getting the arse when called on it is the key. Most of the >crap that we get in this list is completely down to people not being >polite. Pot and kettle... The person was clearly being polite, and asking you nicely to do the same. New people aren't going to understand the 'basic community norms' as you put it. Much the way a child will not be born knowing everything that you expect of it. What it takes it patience and taking a little time now and then to tell people what they've done/are doing wrong in a friendly and considerate way. >>> And I said no arguing >> >> http://www.xkcd.com/392/ (cartoon portraying one rule for me, another for >> you) >> >Damn right! This is a really bad attitude and very damaging to the group. >So you appear to have some kind of bee in your bonnet about > >You are wrong, no-one has a right to be here by default. > >Oh get the man a violin and a tear jar. This is not an acceptable way to talk to someone on or off-line. Seriously "Oh get the man a violin and a tear jar", please grow up. >Whining fuckers, I should ban the lot of you... So if we don't adhere to exactly what you want then we'll get booted? Certainly seems that way. If I was you Jonathan, I'd probably say something horrid like "ohh look, Davros is picking on someone else", but I won't. Because I'm not you. Instead I'll say 'please don't drag this list down'. Seems that many people here have the intention of turning this list into the friendly supportive place it should be. Please don't stamp on their efforts. Really you should be looking at yourself and why you are acting in this way. To the 'Cabal' you seem to be quite divided on whether this list should be a friendly democratic place. Or whether it should be a Cabal led dictatorship, where you can do/say/act in whatever way you want, but everyone else must conform or keep quiet. May
