Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-14 Thread David H. Adler
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 06:23:23AM -0800, Dave Cross wrote:
 
 Normal Again which is by far the best episode of Buffy ever
 made.

Hm.  Interesting choice.  My gut choice there would be The Body,
actually.

 Season 7, on the other hand, is seeming distinctly average right
 now - tho' I hear it gets much better.

If you don't even want to hear the most vague and general comments on S7
possible, don't read any further.






IMO, it's been uneven.  Starting to pick up speed, though.

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Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-14 Thread Piers Cawley
David H. Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 06:23:23AM -0800, Dave Cross wrote:
 
 Normal Again which is by far the best episode of Buffy ever
 made.

 Hm.  Interesting choice.  My gut choice there would be The Body,
 actually.

Indeed. In fact I'd go so far as to say it's probably in the top ten
best episodes of any TV show ever.

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Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-14 Thread David H. Adler
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 05:02:29PM +, Piers Cawley wrote:
 David H. Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 06:23:23AM -0800, Dave Cross wrote:
  
  Normal Again which is by far the best episode of Buffy ever
  made.
 
  Hm.  Interesting choice.  My gut choice there would be The Body,
  actually.
 
 Indeed. In fact I'd go so far as to say it's probably in the top ten
 best episodes of any TV show ever.

I might agree.  Ironically, the one thing about the episode that puts me
off is the fact that they felt required to put a vampire in it.

dha
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Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-14 Thread Piers Cawley
David H. Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 05:02:29PM +, Piers Cawley wrote:
 David H. Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 06:23:23AM -0800, Dave Cross wrote:
  
  Normal Again which is by far the best episode of Buffy ever
  made.
 
  Hm.  Interesting choice.  My gut choice there would be The Body,
  actually.
 
 Indeed. In fact I'd go so far as to say it's probably in the top ten
 best episodes of any TV show ever.

 I might agree.  Ironically, the one thing about the episode that puts me
 off is the fact that they felt required to put a vampire in it.

I dunno. I'm in two minds about it. Pointed up the fact that, frankly,
monsters are nothing compared to the shock of loss.

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Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-14 Thread David H. Adler
On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 07:14:15PM +, Piers Cawley wrote:
 David H. Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 05:02:29PM +, Piers Cawley wrote:
  David H. Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 06:23:23AM -0800, Dave Cross wrote:
   
   Normal Again which is by far the best episode of Buffy ever
   made.
  
   Hm.  Interesting choice.  My gut choice there would be The Body,
   actually.
  
  Indeed. In fact I'd go so far as to say it's probably in the top ten
  best episodes of any TV show ever.
 
  I might agree.  Ironically, the one thing about the episode that puts me
  off is the fact that they felt required to put a vampire in it.
 
 I dunno. I'm in two minds about it. Pointed up the fact that, frankly,
 monsters are nothing compared to the shock of loss.

Hm.  I felt that it took away from the fact that this was the first time
any of them had to deal with a natural death.  It's not like yet another
vamp is anything different for them.

But that's me.  *shrug*

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Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-14 Thread Piers Cawley
David H. Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 07:14:15PM +, Piers Cawley wrote:
 David H. Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 05:02:29PM +, Piers Cawley wrote:
  David H. Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 06:23:23AM -0800, Dave Cross wrote:
   
   Normal Again which is by far the best episode of Buffy ever
   made.
  
   Hm.  Interesting choice.  My gut choice there would be The Body,
   actually.
  
  Indeed. In fact I'd go so far as to say it's probably in the top ten
  best episodes of any TV show ever.
 
  I might agree.  Ironically, the one thing about the episode that puts me
  off is the fact that they felt required to put a vampire in it.
 
 I dunno. I'm in two minds about it. Pointed up the fact that, frankly,
 monsters are nothing compared to the shock of loss.

 Hm.  I felt that it took away from the fact that this was the first time
 any of them had to deal with a natural death.  It's not like yet another
 vamp is anything different for them.

 But that's me.  *shrug*

Okay, I've just done the mental equivalent of sticking my thumb over
the bit with the vamp in it and taking a look at the picture again,
and you're right. Still, perfection isn't everything it's cracked up to be.

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[buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-13 Thread James Powell
to be replaced by the much fitter Eliza Dushku

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2756657.stm

maybe I will start watching this now instead of leaving my girlfriend
on a thursday night and escaping down the pub.


jp




Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-13 Thread Jason Clifford
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, James Powell wrote:

 to be replaced by the much fitter Eliza Dushku
 
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2756657.stm

I am not convinced. 

I don't think 3 episodes would be enough to set this up and Faith taking 
over the main slayer role would be too great a change to the central cast 
dynamics.

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Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-13 Thread Chris Carline
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 01:37:42PM +, Jason Clifford wrote:
  to be replaced by the much fitter Eliza Dushku
  
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2756657.stm
 
 I am not convinced. 
 
 I don't think 3 episodes would be enough to set this up and Faith taking 
 over the main slayer role would be too great a change to the central cast 
 dynamics.

It's three episodes of Angel, five episodes of Buffy according to this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/news/buffy/2003/01/20/1669.shtml

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Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-13 Thread Dominic Mitchell
James Powell wrote:

to be replaced by the much fitter Eliza Dushku

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2756657.stm


Hmmm, linked in by the fact that both have been in a mental asylum[1]?

Sod it, I don't care.  I just want more farscape.

-Dom

[1] Or whatever the PC term is these days...

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Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-13 Thread James Powell
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 01:37:42PM +, Jason Clifford wrote:
 On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, James Powell wrote:
 
  to be replaced by the much fitter Eliza Dushku
  
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2756657.stm
 
 I am not convinced. 
 
 I don't think 3 episodes would be enough to set this up and Faith taking 
 over the main slayer role would be too great a change to the central cast 
 dynamics.

Latest series hasn't gone down too well in the US anyway has it?

Maybe it's dying off.

 
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Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-13 Thread James Powell
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 01:52:29PM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
 James Powell wrote:
 to be replaced by the much fitter Eliza Dushku
 
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2756657.stm
 
 Hmmm, linked in by the fact that both have been in a mental asylum[1]?
 
 Sod it, I don't care.  I just want more farscape.

That's just muppets in space!

 
 -Dom
 
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Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-13 Thread Dave Cross

From: James Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2/13/03 1:13:33 PM

 to be replaced by the much fitter Eliza Dushku

 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2756657.stm

 maybe I will start watching this now instead of leaving my
 girlfriend on a thursday night and escaping down the pub.

This is the BBC reporting on a story from the Express - so I
don't know how much credence you want to give it. It's certainly
one possibility that I've heard mentioned before but there's
doesn't seem to be any official word from Mutant Enemy yet. I've
posted the link to Whedonesque so let's see what the reaction
there is.

Oh, and that BBC story contains spoilers for the last three episodes
of season 7.

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Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-13 Thread Andrew Wilson
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 01:54:33PM +, James Powell wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 01:37:42PM +, Jason Clifford wrote:
 I am not convinced.

 I don't think 3 episodes would be enough to set this up and Faith
 taking over the main slayer role would be too great a change to the
 central cast dynamics.
 
 Latest series hasn't gone down too well in the US anyway has it?

Let's face it, season six was complete shite. This season (seven) is
vastly improved and they've only broadcast four episodes so far.

 Maybe it's dying off.

Rumours of the show's demise are greatly exaggerated.

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Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-13 Thread Jason Clifford
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, James Powell wrote:

  I am not convinced. 
  
  I don't think 3 episodes would be enough to set this up and Faith taking 
  over the main slayer role would be too great a change to the central cast 
  dynamics.
 
 Latest series hasn't gone down too well in the US anyway has it?
 
 Maybe it's dying off.

I don't know about the US. I've been watching the same episodes they have 
(up to S7 14 now) and it does feel like it's being drawn to a final 
conclusion.

After S7 I don't see where they can go for a big bad.

I guess they may launch another spin off series based upon Faith but I'm 
not sure there's a lot of fresh story line for Slayer II.

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Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-13 Thread Dave Cross

From: Andrew Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2/13/03 2:14:53 PM

[ about BtVS]

 Let's face it, season six was complete shite. This season 
 (seven) is vastly improved and they've only broadcast four
 episodes so far.

Beg to differ. I'm currently watching season 6 for the second
time on the BBC and I'm really enjoying it. Don't forget it contains
Normal Again which is by far the best episode of Buffy ever
made.

Season 7, on the other hand, is seeming distinctly average right
now - tho' I hear it gets much better.

 Maybe it's dying off.

 Rumours of the show's demise are greatly exaggerated.

Well, let's just wait and see. I suspect that if SMG does leave
at the end of season 7 then they should just let it die a natural
death.

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Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-13 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Jason Clifford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, James Powell wrote:
 
  to be replaced by the much fitter Eliza Dushku
  
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/2756657.stm
 
 I am not convinced. 
 
 I don't think 3 episodes would be enough to set this up and Faith taking 
 over the main slayer role would be too great a change to the central cast 
 dynamics.
 

Change the central cast dynamics yes, but there is a lot of mileage
there ...

Xander + Faith = lets just remember the hotel incidents
Willow + Faith = Willows maternal concern about Xander
Anya + Faith   = jealousy etc.
Giles + Faith  = giles hanging around to sort out this
 wet behind the ears slayers
Spike + Faith  = love/hate relationship
Dawn + Faith   = bah who knows, maybe they will drop Dawn

it will also darken BtVS a lot more, and Angel which darker is doing
a lot better this season

imho, ymmv

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Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-13 Thread Jason Clifford
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 Change the central cast dynamics yes, but there is a lot of mileage
 there ...
 
   Xander + Faith = lets just remember the hotel incidents
   Willow + Faith = Willows maternal concern about Xander
   Anya + Faith   = jealousy etc.
   Giles + Faith  = giles hanging around to sort out this
wet behind the ears slayers

They've all been done before though.

   Spike + Faith  = love/hate relationship

I wish I could comment.

 it will also darken BtVS a lot more, and Angel which darker is doing
 a lot better this season

S6 was dark Buffy and a lot of fans hated it.

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Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-13 Thread Paul Mison
On 13/02/2003 at 14:14 +, Andrew Wilson wrote:


Let's face it, season six was complete shite. This season (seven) is
vastly improved and they've only broadcast four episodes so far.


Season six was great. Already the BBC viewers have seen the beginning 
of one of the great dysfunctional relationships in TV history (Buffy 
and Spike) and there's better to come. (Spoilers are still in effect, 
remember, kids. Otherwise I'd go into more detail.)

Mind you, I'm a black-clad grumpy old bugger, so evidently I'm going 
to like it.

The two and a half out of the first four of season seven that I've 
seen so far are distinctly lacklustre in comparison.

While we're on the subject of Buffy, although you'll need to be a 
little careful, boils and burning torment is a great site. Here's 
their review of the infamous 'Willow gets hooked on magic' episode 
(on BBC2 a fortnight or so ago):

http://www.boilsandblindingtorment.com/Wrecked.htm

Also, because it's now out of spoiler territory, here's london.pm's 
archived discussion of it from when it was on Sky.

http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020304/010464.html
http://dir.salon.com/sex/feature/2001/11/28/buffy/index.html # mentioned

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Re: [buffy] is leaving?

2003-02-13 Thread Dominic Mitchell
James Powell wrote:

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 01:52:29PM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:

Sod it, I don't care.  I just want more farscape.


That's just muppets in space!


Exactly.  That's why I like it.  Far more entertaining.  I was waiting 
for the Kermit cameo, too...

-Dom

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