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- Original Message > From: Ricardo Signes > I suppose that as a Yank, I can't properly dismiss this theory, but I'll try. > We have some totally amazing beer here. My favorite beers are all American, > and I've had enough good British, Irish, and European beer to feel like I can > fairly choose between them. There is a large culture of beer appreciation > here. Gotta disagree on this one. IPA in the states is *awful*. I actually like it over here. Plus, US beers (even the quality ones) are often very fizzy. A bit too much for my taste. I know the microbreweries in Portland are fantastic, but they generally don't ship over here. The best beers are Belgian. After that, I might vote German. Might. Cheers, Ovid -- Buy the book - http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlhks/ Tech blog- http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/ Twitter - http://twitter.com/OvidPerl Official Perl 6 Wiki - http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl6
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Ovid wrote: Gotta disagree on this one. IPA in the states is *awful*. I actually like it over here. Plus, US beers (even the quality ones) are often very fizzy. A bit too much for my taste. I know the microbreweries in Portland are fantastic, but they generally don't ship over here. I absolutely loved the (local) IPA in the Rose and Crown in Palo Alto, mainly because it was an actual IPA (pale and strong/hoppy enough to survive shipping to India or indeed Pluto) rather than the renamed lightish session beers one tends to get over here (Greene King and Caledonian, I'm looking at you). Meantime do an IPA which is bloody spectacular, mind you, so it's not as if we can't get it right when we try. S
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 06:24:09PM +0100, Steff Davies wrote: > Meantime do an IPA which is bloody spectacular, mind you, so it's not as > if we can't get it right when we try. I've seen some Meantime brews on offer at the Bridge House, so: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 05:38:03PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > In accordance with Ancient Tradition and as laid down in the writings of > our forefathers, London.pm will be gathering on the first Thursday of > the month - namely Thu 1 Oct - for our monthly social, at the Bridge > House pub, which is at the southern end of Tower Bridge: > http://maps.google.com/maps?q=SE1%202UP I'll double check what they have this Thursday. Although all the lovely Adnams is also oh so tempting. > The righteous are also encouraged to attend the heretical social a week > later, so that you may while there attempt to return them to the True > Faith by sweet reason and the example of your virtuous lives. The > Meeting of the Damned will be a week later, on Thu 8 Oct, at the > Gunmakers, Eyre St Hill: > http://maps.google.com/maps?q=EC1R%205ET Forgive me brother Evil, for I shall not be attending. However, I will be at the Vienna.pm social a week today. Drinking Austrian beer. Unless it's in Tin Tans, in which case it will have to be cocktails. Nicholas Clark
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Ovid wrote: Gotta disagree on this one. IPA in the states is *awful*. I've had some gooduns, and not only the rather excellent cask Dogfish Head 120 minute IPA that I had the GBBF a few years back. They are normally a bit fizzy, but as long as it's nice and hoppy I can forgive that. More decent US beer is making its way over to our fair shores these days, although it generally seems to end up quite pricey in Utobeer and the like. I quite like Sierra Nevada, and you can get that in Tescos these days. --billy -- http://billyabbott.co.uk You say tomato, I say EMACS
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On 29 Sep 2009, at 18:48, Billy Abbott wrote: I've had some gooduns, and not only the rather excellent cask Dogfish Head 120 minute IPA that I had the GBBF a few years back. They are normally a bit fizzy, but as long as it's nice and hoppy I can forgive that. More decent US beer is making its way over to our fair shores these days, although it generally seems to end up quite pricey in Utobeer and the like. I was sceptical about US beer until my former flatmate (who is american) brought me some Dogfish Head beer back after a trip home. It's got to be up there with the best that England has to offer. I quite like Sierra Nevada, and you can get that in Tescos these days. ISTR it's quite reasonably priced in waitrose these days. In fact, waitrose is a fantastic place to buy beer generally as they've got a huge selection and there's always something cheap (and often the boxes of 4). The real question, though, is how easy is it to find a pub that serves a decent well kept pint in the US? It's getting harder and harder here. --James
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 09:02:12AM -0700, Ovid typed: > Gotta disagree on this one. IPA in the states is *awful*. I actually like > it over here. Plus, US beers (even the quality ones) are often very fizzy. > A bit too much for my taste. I know the microbreweries in Portland are > fantastic, but they generally don't ship over here. I thought Sierra Nevada Pale Ale was *excellent*, although there was a tendancy for some to be over hopped. BTW I read a report that beer in 2/3 pint measures was to be allowed in the UK. It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were available and legal in the UK. I wondered if anyone had ever seen this? -- Steve Mynott
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Steve Mynott wrote: BTW I read a report that beer in 2/3 pint measures was to be allowed in the UK. It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were available and legal in the UK. I wondered if anyone had ever seen this? I don't know about the 2/3rds (although it would follow naturally from 1/3rd pints) but I've seen 1/3rds in a couple of places - the Young's brewery (before it moved) and the Great British Beer festival. I've got some 1/3rd glasses now, thanks to the last few GBBFs, because I ran out of space for pints. I think they've been a legal measure for a while, but after 10 minutes of reading through publications.parliament.co.uk I've lost the will to research any further for now... --billy -- http://billyabbott.co.uk You say tomato, I say EMACS
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 09:53:35AM +0100, Steve Mynott wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 09:02:12AM -0700, Ovid typed: > > > Gotta disagree on this one. IPA in the states is *awful*. I actually like > > it over here. Plus, US beers (even the quality ones) are often very fizzy. > > A bit too much for my taste. I know the microbreweries in Portland are > > fantastic, but they generally don't ship over here. > > I thought Sierra Nevada Pale Ale was *excellent*, although there > was a tendancy for some to be over hopped. > > BTW I read a report that beer in 2/3 pint measures was to be allowed > in the UK. It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were > available and legal in the UK. I wondered if anyone had ever seen > this? As I understand it the law is that draft beer must be dispensed into crown (or EU) stamped glasses, which are in (integer) multiples of 1/3, 1/2 or 1 pint. So I infer that if you can get a stamped 2/3 glass, it's legal. I have seen 1/3rd glasses - Greg, Kake and I went to a Wetherspoon's beer festival where they were selling three thirds of different beers. I found this *extremely* dangerous - I can neck (and enjoy) a third pint glass very rapidly. And then there are 2 more. And then they are all gone. IIRC, these 1/3rd glasses were EU stamped, but I don't have a picture of this. I'm sure Napoleon must be spinning in his grave - 1/3rd of a pint is 189 1/3 ml, and it amuses me no end that the EU are officially sanctioning a vulgar fraction. Nicholas Clark
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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Steve Mynott wrote: It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were available and legal in the UK. I wondered if anyone had ever seen this? they always have been legal. you certianly now see thirds at CAMRA beer festivals and I have seen it in some pubs. Normally as part of a try 4 beers as thirds pay for a pint offer. http://www.emberinns.co.uk/offer/enjoyallyourfavouritecaskales/ -- bob walker buses should be purple and bendy
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2009/9/30 Bob Walker : > On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Steve Mynott wrote: >> It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were >> available and legal in the UK. I wondered if anyone had ever seen >> this? > > they always have been legal. you certianly now see thirds at CAMRA beer > festivals and I have seen it in some pubs. Normally as part of a try 4 beers > as thirds pay for a pint offer. The (excellent) Bree Louise serves their (excellent) ales in 1/3 pint glasses if you ask. I usually pick 3 likely sounding ales, order 1/3 of each. They come on a little wooden board. IIRC they charge based on alcohol content, and ordering 3 random thirds tends not to get you charged for a pint of the strongest. So it seems a reasonable thing to do. Certainly doesn't cost more. /joel
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:11:30AM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: > > As I understand it the law is that draft beer must be dispensed into crown > (or EU) stamped glasses, which are in (integer) multiples of 1/3, 1/2 or 1 > pint. That brings up an image of a civil servant stamping glasses. And once a month, a moves for a week from Brussles to Strassbourgh. Abigail
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On 09/30/2009 09:53 AM, Steve Mynott wrote: BTW I read a report that beer in 2/3 pint measures was to be allowed in the UK. It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were available and legal in the UK. I wondered if anyone had ever seen this? Completely coincidentally, I just came across this: Two-thirds of a pint measure to be introduced A two-thirds of a pint measure is to be introduced in pubs and clubs. Changes will also be made to measures of fortified wine and brandy. http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_180884 Dave...
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Abigail wrote: That brings up an image of a civil servant stamping glasses. And once a month, a moves for a week from Brussles to Strassbourgh. 20 or so years ago there was a UK Weight and Measures Authority near where I lived in Kingston. Although I never did it myself, a number of my school mates had holiday jobs there checking and approving (or rejecting) pint glasses. It was all done by hand, one glass at a time. I find it hard to imagine that they would still doing it by hand, if indeed they are. But then again, I found it hard to believe that they were doing it by hand back then and the UK civil service moves anything but fast. So it wouldn't surprise me. A few years later the landlord of a local pub told me how much he had to pay for officially stamped glasses (which, of course, you have to have). I forget the figure, but it was more than a quid if memory serves, and that was in olden days money where a pint cost about the same or even less. Whatever the figure, it was ridiculously expensive all because they had to pay someone to check and stamp every single glass by hand. A shiny example of British inefficiency at its best. A
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 09:53:35AM +0100, Steve Mynott wrote: > BTW I read a report that beer in 2/3 pint measures was to be allowed > in the UK. It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were > available and legal in the UK. I wondered if anyone had ever seen > this? Not yet seen a 2/3 pt glass, but 1/3 pint is occasionally used in pubs for barley wines, and quite often at beer festivals. -- David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice " In My Egotistical Opinion, most people's ... programs should be indented six feet downward and covered with dirt. " --Blair P. Houghton
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:11:30AM +0100, the following was promulgated by Nicholas Clark: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 09:53:35AM +0100, Steve Mynott wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 09:02:12AM -0700, Ovid typed: > > > > > Gotta disagree on this one. IPA in the states is *awful*. I actually > > > like > > > it over here. Plus, US beers (even the quality ones) are often very > > > fizzy. > > > A bit too much for my taste. I know the microbreweries in Portland are > > > fantastic, but they generally don't ship over here. > > > > I thought Sierra Nevada Pale Ale was *excellent*, although there > > was a tendancy for some to be over hopped. > > > > BTW I read a report that beer in 2/3 pint measures was to be allowed > > in the UK. It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were > > available and legal in the UK. I wondered if anyone had ever seen > > this? > > As I understand it the law is that draft beer must be dispensed into crown > (or EU) stamped glasses, which are in (integer) multiples of 1/3, 1/2 or 1 > pint. It is 1/3 of a pint and integer multiples of 1/2 pints, so while one point five pint glasses are fine two thirds glasses will need a change. > So I infer that if you can get a stamped 2/3 glass, it's legal. No, see above, but it has been through a formal consultation: http://www.nmo.bis.gov.uk/fileuploads/Docs/Legislation/SFQ/Specified_Quantities_DIUS_Press_Release_Oct_08.pdf > I have seen 1/3rd glasses - Greg, Kake and I went to a Wetherspoon's beer > festival where they were selling three thirds of different beers. I found > this *extremely* dangerous - I can neck (and enjoy) a third pint glass very > rapidly. And then there are 2 more. And then they are all gone. I love the fact that tasting palletes of 3 different thirds are becoming popular to help you decide between guest beers. -- Tony Kennick Web: http://www.pint.org.uk/ Blog: http://blog.pint.org.uk/ Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thegreatgonzo/
