Re: Robot turtles
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:55:24PM +0100, Martin Robertson wrote: So I was too slow to get in on the '1st 10' as arranged by el Smyler. Am told there are 5 others thus far in a similar state, so : I'll poke my head above the parapet long enough to make the same offer to organise a group purchase. currently 2 confirmed; msg off-list please! cheers, mart. Thanks for volunteering to herd cats [in your own self interest :-)] I've just done 10 for vienna.pm/2 in Salzburg/a friend There are about 36 hours left. I hope this all works out, else I'm going to be left looking a bit silly. Nicholas Clark
Re: Robot turtles
On 26 September 2013 11:08, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: Thanks for volunteering to herd cats [in your own self interest :-)] I've just done 10 for vienna.pm/2 in Salzburg/a friend There are about 36 hours left. I hope this all works out, else I'm going to be left looking a bit silly. Have just placed an order for another LPM-10, although have only had 6 requests; They'll make neat gifts - unless anyone else wants to get in on 'em? cheers aye, mart.
Re: Robot turtles
On 26 September 2013 11:31, Martin Robertson mansionhouseproje...@gmail.com wrote: Have just placed an order for another LPM-10, although have only had 6 requests; They'll make neat gifts - unless anyone else wants to get in on 'em? and they're all gone. two more reqs subsequently recvd, so maybe someone else'll step up? cheers aye, mart.
Re: Robot Turtles — Let's Do This
Hi, I'm in. • I live in Leeds, so you may also have to pay some UK postage costs for me to get your copy to you. I'm happy to hand over Robot Turtles in person if we can find a mutually convenient location (we're fairly likely to be visiting friends in London, Lancaster, Truro, and Edinburgh at some point). I live in Northwich, Cheshire, so this also applies to me. On 23 September 2013 15:41, Smylers smyl...@stripey.com wrote: Bob MacCallum writes: Interested at the ~£30 level but can't organise anything right now, sorry. I'm happy to place a group order. Dinis Rebolo writes: I also want one those for my son, would be a good gift for his third birthday. Let's see if we can make this work then. If you want to participate in a group order of Robot Turtles, please email (me, or the list) to commit to purchasing: • Nicholas's numbers look plausible to me (I've verified the exchange rate), but you're committing to pay an equal share of the actual sterling total. If something unforeseen means the final charge is higher, we're all in this together. • I live in Leeds, so you may also have to pay some UK postage costs for me to get your copy to you. I'm happy to hand over Robot Turtles in person if we can find a mutually convenient location (we're fairly likely to be visiting friends in London, Lancaster, Truro, and Edinburgh at some point). • The order will be for either the 3 or the 10 pack, depending on how many others buy in, and the price will reflect that. • I'll add people to the group in the order I see their emails. If we reach 9 copies, I'll place the order for 10. If the Kickstarter deadline is near and it doesn't look likely we'll reach 9, I'll order a 3-pack for me and the first 2 other committed orders. • You're committing to transfer me our best estimate of the cost at the end of the Kickstarter campaign. Kickstarter will charge my card at that point, not when the Robot Turtles arrive. • If you want more than 1 copy, please make that clear in your email. How's that sound? Smylers -- Stop drug companies hiding negative research results. Sign the AllTrials petition to get all clinical research results published. Read more: http://www.alltrials.net/blog/the-alltrials-campaign/ -- Dinis Rebolo dinisreb...@gmail.com
Re: Robot Turtles — Let's Do This
I'm in too. Thanks for organising Smylers! 1 copy please. Happy to pay UK postage + packing up front. If you do end up at a social (I've only been to a handful) then we can do that instead. Please send me your bank info off-list - I have a crazy weekend with some Perl-related business (new DarwinTunes game debut at discoveryfestival.nl - big respect to the Dancer, Plack and DBIC crews!) - so Monday is going to be the soonest I can process that. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Dinis Rebolo dinisreb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm in. • I live in Leeds, so you may also have to pay some UK postage costs for me to get your copy to you. I'm happy to hand over Robot Turtles in person if we can find a mutually convenient location (we're fairly likely to be visiting friends in London, Lancaster, Truro, and Edinburgh at some point). I live in Northwich, Cheshire, so this also applies to me. On 23 September 2013 15:41, Smylers smyl...@stripey.com wrote: Bob MacCallum writes: Interested at the ~£30 level but can't organise anything right now, sorry. I'm happy to place a group order. Dinis Rebolo writes: I also want one those for my son, would be a good gift for his third birthday. Let's see if we can make this work then. If you want to participate in a group order of Robot Turtles, please email (me, or the list) to commit to purchasing: • Nicholas's numbers look plausible to me (I've verified the exchange rate), but you're committing to pay an equal share of the actual sterling total. If something unforeseen means the final charge is higher, we're all in this together. • I live in Leeds, so you may also have to pay some UK postage costs for me to get your copy to you. I'm happy to hand over Robot Turtles in person if we can find a mutually convenient location (we're fairly likely to be visiting friends in London, Lancaster, Truro, and Edinburgh at some point). • The order will be for either the 3 or the 10 pack, depending on how many others buy in, and the price will reflect that. • I'll add people to the group in the order I see their emails. If we reach 9 copies, I'll place the order for 10. If the Kickstarter deadline is near and it doesn't look likely we'll reach 9, I'll order a 3-pack for me and the first 2 other committed orders. • You're committing to transfer me our best estimate of the cost at the end of the Kickstarter campaign. Kickstarter will charge my card at that point, not when the Robot Turtles arrive. • If you want more than 1 copy, please make that clear in your email. How's that sound? Smylers -- Stop drug companies hiding negative research results. Sign the AllTrials petition to get all clinical research results published. Read more: http://www.alltrials.net/blog/the-alltrials-campaign/ -- Dinis Rebolo dinisreb...@gmail.com
Re: Robot Turtles — Let's Do This
Yesterday I wrote: I'm happy to place a group order. We now have a group wanting 10 copies, so I've just placed our Robot Turtles order. Anybody else wanting a copy, there may still be enough interest to form another group among yourselves: our 10 filled up in less than a day (and much of that time was overnight), and I've had to turn down 3 more people who expressed interest today since then. Cheers Smylers -- Stop drug companies hiding negative research results. Sign the AllTrials petition to get all clinical research results published. Read more: http://www.alltrials.net/blog/the-alltrials-campaign/
Re: Robot turtles
So I was too slow to get in on the '1st 10' as arranged by el Smyler. Am told there are 5 others thus far in a similar state, so : I'll poke my head above the parapet long enough to make the same offer to organise a group purchase. currently 2 confirmed; msg off-list please! cheers, mart. On 23 September 2013 22:48, Smylers smyl...@stripey.com wrote: Kieren Diment writes: On 24/09/2013, at 12:15 AM, Nicholas Clark wrote: Currency rates were from purl while I was writing the e-mail purl is usually 3-5% better than what you woud get from the bank I checked the figures purl gave Nicholas against Visa's website. For purl's £241·65 Visa said £242·52, meaning that purl gave 99·64% of Visa's price. The rate could easily fluctuate by more than that difference between now and money being taken. Visa Europe's rates: http://www.visaeurope.com/en/cardholders/exchange_rates.aspx Your card provider may add their own cut on top (but Nationwide don't on mine). Smylers -- Stop drug companies hiding negative research results. Sign the AllTrials petition to get all clinical research results published. Read more: http://www.alltrials.net/blog/the-alltrials-campaign/
Re: Robot Turtles — Let's Do This
Less than an hour ago I wrote: We now have a group wanting 10 copies, so I've just placed our Robot Turtles order. Anybody else wanting a copy, there may still be enough interest to form another group among yourselves: our 10 filled up in less than a day (and much of that time was overnight), and I've had to turn down 3 more people who expressed interest today since then. I now know of 5 people who missed out from our group of 10, so forming a second co-operative does sound like it would be viable. All it takes is for somebody to say “Hey, I'll place the order for us all”. Go on, one of you — it isn't that hard! Smylers -- Stop drug companies hiding negative research results. Sign the AllTrials petition to get all clinical research results published. Read more: http://www.alltrials.net/blog/the-alltrials-campaign/
Re: Robot turtles
On 23 September 2013 13:39, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: Robot Turtles is a board game you play with your favorite 3-8 year old. It sneakily teaches programming fundamentals. I'm not aware of any 3-8 year olds in this group, am I missing the point? /joel
Re: Robot turtles
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 02:22:29PM +0200, Joel Bernstein wrote: On 23 September 2013 13:39, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: Robot Turtles is a board game you play with your favorite 3-8 year old. It sneakily teaches programming fundamentals. I'm not aware of any 3-8 year olds in this group, am I missing the point? Yes! I'm planning for my retirement, and others on the list might well be too. Elizabeth needs to learn skills to earn enough money to keep me in the style to which I am accustomed! :-) (The IRC hive mind thinks that duty for board games might well be 0%, but the IRC hive mind is not a lawyer^Wdomain expert, and its advice is worth as much as you paid for it.) Nicholas Clark
Re: Robot turtles
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org wrote: On 23 September 2013 13:39, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: Robot Turtles is a board game you play with your favorite 3-8 year old. It sneakily teaches programming fundamentals. I'm not aware of any 3-8 year olds in this group, am I missing the point? /joel I have two (3-8 year olds). Interested at the ~£30 level but can't organise anything right now, sorry.
Re: Robot turtles
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org wrote: I'm not aware of any 3-8 year olds in this group, am I missing the point? A number of london.pm members are parents. It seems fairly likely they'd want their kids to grow up knowing at least a little about programming. James
Re: Robot turtles
On 23/09/2013 13:22, Joel Bernstein wrote: On 23 September 2013 13:39, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: Robot Turtles is a board game you play with your favorite 3-8 year old. It sneakily teaches programming fundamentals. I'm not aware of any 3-8 year olds in this group, am I missing the point? /joel Really, I can think of quite a few people whose behaviour clearly places them in that age bracket ;) But i agree with Nicholas, i have a 3 year old and I want him to be a rockstar-actor-programmer to look after me in my dotage, which is actually already here, so the younger he starts earning the better. -mdk -- Mark Keating BA (Hons), Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder. Managing Director: http://www.shadow.cat For more that I do visit: http://www.mdk.me
Re: Robot turtles
Meanwhile, may I remind you that MIT Scratch (http://scratch.mit.edu) is still going strong, and is suitable for all children from 2 to 222. On 23/09/2013, at 10:43 PM, Mark Keating wrote: On 23/09/2013 13:22, Joel Bernstein wrote: On 23 September 2013 13:39, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: Robot Turtles is a board game you play with your favorite 3-8 year old. It sneakily teaches programming fundamentals. I'm not aware of any 3-8 year olds in this group, am I missing the point? /joel Really, I can think of quite a few people whose behaviour clearly places them in that age bracket ;) But i agree with Nicholas, i have a 3 year old and I want him to be a rockstar-actor-programmer to look after me in my dotage, which is actually already here, so the younger he starts earning the better. -mdk -- Mark Keating BA (Hons), Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder. Managing Director: http://www.shadow.cat For more that I do visit: http://www.mdk.me
Re: Robot turtles
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 01:43:15PM +0100, Mark Keating wrote: On 23/09/2013 13:22, Joel Bernstein wrote: On 23 September 2013 13:39, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: Robot Turtles is a board game you play with your favorite 3-8 year old. It sneakily teaches programming fundamentals. I'm not aware of any 3-8 year olds in this group, am I missing the point? /joel Really, I can think of quite a few people whose behaviour clearly places them in that age bracket ;) But i agree with Nicholas, i have a 3 year old and I want him to be a rockstar-actor-programmer to look after me in my dotage, which is actually already here, so the younger he starts earning the better. To be honest, I'm not certain about any of those careers. Even programmers. Whereas plumbers can't be offshored, and unlike electricians, if you have a problem needing a plumber, quite often it can't wait until the morning and the less wallet-busting on call rates :-) But E seems to be more interested in rockets than water*. Maybe she'll become a rocket scientist. Nicholas Clark * Particularly as the slightest amount of damp on her clothes is major crisis.
Re: Robot turtles
I also want one those for my son, would be a good gift for his third birthday. On 23 September 2013 13:43, Mark Keating m.keat...@shadowcat.co.uk wrote: On 23/09/2013 13:22, Joel Bernstein wrote: On 23 September 2013 13:39, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: Robot Turtles is a board game you play with your favorite 3-8 year old. It sneakily teaches programming fundamentals. I'm not aware of any 3-8 year olds in this group, am I missing the point? /joel Really, I can think of quite a few people whose behaviour clearly places them in that age bracket ;) But i agree with Nicholas, i have a 3 year old and I want him to be a rockstar-actor-programmer to look after me in my dotage, which is actually already here, so the younger he starts earning the better. -mdk -- Mark Keating BA (Hons), Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder. Managing Director: http://www.shadow.cat For more that I do visit: http://www.mdk.me -- Dinis Rebolo dinisreb...@gmail.com
Re: Robot turtles
On 23 September 2013 13:58, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: ... But E seems to be more interested in rockets than water*. Maybe she'll become a rocket scientist. Or, if the hydrophobia is strong enough, a hovercraft engine?
Re: Robot turtles
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 02:20:40PM +0100, Will Crawford wrote: On 23 September 2013 13:58, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: ... But E seems to be more interested in rockets than water*. Maybe she'll become a rocket scientist. Or, if the hydrophobia is strong enough, a hovercraft engine? She certainly seems to have enough energy. But I'm not sure how to harness it effectively. Will I get into trouble with the authorities if I build a child-sized hamster wheel? Will the feed-in tariff make it worth me connecting it to the grid? :-) Nicholas Clark
Re: Robot turtles
On 23 Sep 2013, at 14:43, Mark Keating m.keat...@shadowcat.co.uk wrote: On 23/09/2013 13:22, Joel Bernstein wrote: On 23 September 2013 13:39, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: Robot Turtles is a board game you play with your favorite 3-8 year old. It sneakily teaches programming fundamentals. I'm not aware of any 3-8 year olds in this group, am I missing the point? /joel Really, I can think of quite a few people whose behaviour clearly places them in that age bracket ;) But i agree with Nicholas, i have a 3 year old and I want him to be a rockstar-actor-programmer to look after me in my dotage, which is actually already here, so the younger he starts earning the better. -mdk I have two children in that age group. The five year old announced that he is going to be a “scientist inventor rockstar” (and he hasn’t even *heard* of Brian Cox) when he grows up. I have sponsored/supported/whatever. Thinking of adding more to use at Code Club. nic -- Corbas Consulting / @CorbasLtd Digital Publishing Consultancy and Training http://www.corbas.co.uk, +44 (0)7718 906817/+44 (0)1273 930765
Re: Robot turtles
Aren't you still living in Austria? Child abuse is practically a national sport, it seems. On 23 September 2013 15:25, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 02:20:40PM +0100, Will Crawford wrote: On 23 September 2013 13:58, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: ... But E seems to be more interested in rockets than water*. Maybe she'll become a rocket scientist. Or, if the hydrophobia is strong enough, a hovercraft engine? She certainly seems to have enough energy. But I'm not sure how to harness it effectively. Will I get into trouble with the authorities if I build a child-sized hamster wheel? Will the feed-in tariff make it worth me connecting it to the grid? :-) Nicholas Clark
Re: Robot turtles
I'm not aware of any 3-8 year olds in this group, am I missing the point? Are you trolling again? On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org wrote: Aren't you still living in Austria? Child abuse is practically a national sport, it seems. On 23 September 2013 15:25, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 02:20:40PM +0100, Will Crawford wrote: On 23 September 2013 13:58, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: ... But E seems to be more interested in rockets than water*. Maybe she'll become a rocket scientist. Or, if the hydrophobia is strong enough, a hovercraft engine? She certainly seems to have enough energy. But I'm not sure how to harness it effectively. Will I get into trouble with the authorities if I build a child-sized hamster wheel? Will the feed-in tariff make it worth me connecting it to the grid? :-) Nicholas Clark
Re: Robot turtles
Nicholas Clark writes: So, there is this kickstarter for Robot Turtles: Robot Turtles is a board game you play with your favorite 3-8 year old. It sneakily teaches programming fundamentals. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/danshapiro/robot-turtles-the-board-game-for-little-programmer Oooh. Thanks for letting us know about that, Nicholas. And more thanks for doing the maths, currency conversion, and so on. 3-pack: $80 * 1.2 + $40= $136 = £84.70 = £28.23 each 10-pack: $240 * 1.2 + $100 = $388 = £241.65 = £24.16 each Plus the cost of distributing the extra copies around the UK. PS I'm not kidding about the 14000 categories. Last time I looked at this I found there were different duty rates for radios and CD players, and that a combined CD player and radio had a third rate which was lower than either of the two individual ones. It cannot possibly make sense for this list to exist. Smylers -- Stop drug companies hiding negative research results. Sign the AllTrials petition to get all clinical research results published. Read more: http://www.alltrials.net/blog/the-alltrials-campaign/
Re: Robot turtles
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 03:00:53PM +0100, Smylers wrote: Nicholas Clark writes: So, there is this kickstarter for Robot Turtles: Robot Turtles is a board game you play with your favorite 3-8 year old. It sneakily teaches programming fundamentals. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/danshapiro/robot-turtles-the-board-game-for-little-programmer Oooh. Thanks for letting us know about that, Nicholas. And more thanks for doing the maths, currency conversion, and so on. Well, there may be errors. I'm assuming that the VAT divide is correct. Currency rates were from purl while I was writing the e-mail, etc The Kickstarter estimates delivery for Christmas. And it's Kickstarter, so it's risky (although the guy doing it seems to check out) 3-pack: $80 * 1.2 + $40= $136 = £84.70 = £28.23 each 10-pack: $240 * 1.2 + $100 = $388 = £241.65 = £24.16 each Plus the cost of distributing the extra copies around the UK. My calculations were always on the basis that buyer collects from the (relevant) social. [There are places outside the M25? Really! No - it's a tale told to scare small children :-)] PS I'm not kidding about the 14000 categories. Last time I looked at this I found there were different duty rates for radios and CD players, and that a combined CD player and radio had a third rate which was lower than either of the two individual ones. It cannot possibly make sense for this list to exist. That sounds like the Raspberry Pi folks finding that the duty on an assembled Raspberry Pi was lower than on the components. This, obviously, was done to encourage local manufacturing :-( (Politicians are involved. The cost of implementation is an externality. Or treated as such. Heck - who cares - 5 years hence is S.E.P., and 5 weeks hence might as well be) Nicholas Clark
Re: Robot Turtles — Let's Do This
Bob MacCallum writes: Interested at the ~£30 level but can't organise anything right now, sorry. I'm happy to place a group order. Dinis Rebolo writes: I also want one those for my son, would be a good gift for his third birthday. Let's see if we can make this work then. If you want to participate in a group order of Robot Turtles, please email (me, or the list) to commit to purchasing: • Nicholas's numbers look plausible to me (I've verified the exchange rate), but you're committing to pay an equal share of the actual sterling total. If something unforeseen means the final charge is higher, we're all in this together. • I live in Leeds, so you may also have to pay some UK postage costs for me to get your copy to you. I'm happy to hand over Robot Turtles in person if we can find a mutually convenient location (we're fairly likely to be visiting friends in London, Lancaster, Truro, and Edinburgh at some point). • The order will be for either the 3 or the 10 pack, depending on how many others buy in, and the price will reflect that. • I'll add people to the group in the order I see their emails. If we reach 9 copies, I'll place the order for 10. If the Kickstarter deadline is near and it doesn't look likely we'll reach 9, I'll order a 3-pack for me and the first 2 other committed orders. • You're committing to transfer me our best estimate of the cost at the end of the Kickstarter campaign. Kickstarter will charge my card at that point, not when the Robot Turtles arrive. • If you want more than 1 copy, please make that clear in your email. How's that sound? Smylers -- Stop drug companies hiding negative research results. Sign the AllTrials petition to get all clinical research results published. Read more: http://www.alltrials.net/blog/the-alltrials-campaign/
Re: Robot turtles
If someone is organising this I'd go for a copy for my son On 23 September 2013 14:02, Dinis Rebolo dinisreb...@gmail.com wrote: I also want one those for my son, would be a good gift for his third birthday. On 23 September 2013 13:43, Mark Keating m.keat...@shadowcat.co.uk wrote: On 23/09/2013 13:22, Joel Bernstein wrote: On 23 September 2013 13:39, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: Robot Turtles is a board game you play with your favorite 3-8 year old. It sneakily teaches programming fundamentals. I'm not aware of any 3-8 year olds in this group, am I missing the point? /joel Really, I can think of quite a few people whose behaviour clearly places them in that age bracket ;) But i agree with Nicholas, i have a 3 year old and I want him to be a rockstar-actor-programmer to look after me in my dotage, which is actually already here, so the younger he starts earning the better. -mdk -- Mark Keating BA (Hons), Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder. Managing Director: http://www.shadow.cat For more that I do visit: http://www.mdk.me -- Dinis Rebolo dinisreb...@gmail.com
Re: Robot turtles
When am I ever not? On 23 September 2013 15:47, Matt Freake matthew.d.fre...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not aware of any 3-8 year olds in this group, am I missing the point? Are you trolling again? On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org wrote: Aren't you still living in Austria? Child abuse is practically a national sport, it seems. On 23 September 2013 15:25, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 02:20:40PM +0100, Will Crawford wrote: On 23 September 2013 13:58, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: ... But E seems to be more interested in rockets than water*. Maybe she'll become a rocket scientist. Or, if the hydrophobia is strong enough, a hovercraft engine? She certainly seems to have enough energy. But I'm not sure how to harness it effectively. Will I get into trouble with the authorities if I build a child-sized hamster wheel? Will the feed-in tariff make it worth me connecting it to the grid? :-) Nicholas Clark
Re: Robot turtles
On 23/09/13 16:18, Joel Bernstein wrote: When am I ever not? On 23 September 2013 15:47, Matt Freake matthew.d.fre...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not aware of any 3-8 year olds in this group, am I missing the point? Are you trolling again? Well, now look what you've done. I hope you're satisfied.
Re: Robot turtles
And if you want an adult take (ie with more violence) try Richard Garfield[1]'s excellent Robo Rally. Dominic [1] Who of course went on to design one of the crack of gaming, in the form of Magic: The Gathering. But don't let that put you off. On 23 September 2013 12:39, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: So, there is this kickstarter for Robot Turtles: Robot Turtles is a board game you play with your favorite 3-8 year old. It sneakily teaches programming fundamentals. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/danshapiro/robot-turtles-the-board-game-for-little-programmer The kickstarter closes on Friday. We are attempting to organise a group purchase of this in Vienna, and given the level of interest there, I thought I'd like to point it out to the denizens of london.pm in case there is similar enthusiasm. So, to purchase one, with the international shipping, it's not very cost effective (ie $60) There is a 3-pack, which is $120 including shipping, and a Deca-pack, which is $340. These look viable, as they bring the unit cost down to something like the price of a regular new board game (eg Settlers of Catan or Monopoly ship from amazon.de for about 30 EUR) So, I'm *not* going to organise this for London, but if anyone wants to, here's my homework I've already done for Vienna, but converted to real money: $34 is £21.18, but I'm suspicious that the delivery price isn't going to be that. gov.uk takes lots of pages to say that tax and import duty are both payable. It's 20% VAT on anything over £15, and phone us up, because we make it way too complicated with 14000 categories% (typically 5-9%) import duty for anything over £135 If I assume that VAT is unavoidably going to be charged, at 20%, but only on the games, not the shipping, then the price actually isn't terrible: 3-pack: $80 * 1.2 + $40= $136 = £84.70 = £28.23 each 10-pack: $240 * 1.2 + $100 = $388 = £241.65 = £24.16 each I don't know the UK duty rate, but they work out that (I think) duty has to reach 23% before the 10-pack is more expensive than the below-threshold 3-pack. I also don't know if there's an extra sting thanks to a charge that gets made by the delivery firm for collecting the duty. So, if you're interested, you have about 96 hours to JFDI. Nicholas Clark PS I'm not kidding about the 14000 categories. -- And a big Hiya goes out to the fun crew from GCHQ.
Re: Robot turtles
purl is usually 3-5% better than what you woud get from the bank (more like 10-15% from the holes in the wall travelex thingies in towns). On 24/09/2013, at 12:15 AM, Nicholas Clark wrote: Currency rates were from purl while I was writing the e-mail
Re: Robot turtles
Kieren Diment writes: On 24/09/2013, at 12:15 AM, Nicholas Clark wrote: Currency rates were from purl while I was writing the e-mail purl is usually 3-5% better than what you woud get from the bank I checked the figures purl gave Nicholas against Visa's website. For purl's £241·65 Visa said £242·52, meaning that purl gave 99·64% of Visa's price. The rate could easily fluctuate by more than that difference between now and money being taken. Visa Europe's rates: http://www.visaeurope.com/en/cardholders/exchange_rates.aspx Your card provider may add their own cut on top (but Nationwide don't on mine). Smylers -- Stop drug companies hiding negative research results. Sign the AllTrials petition to get all clinical research results published. Read more: http://www.alltrials.net/blog/the-alltrials-campaign/
