RE: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
Hi Wendy, It sounds like you're turning this into a good new story. Stop it immediately. We only go in for bad news stories at the moment. Only joking. It all seems under control. Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Wendy G.A. van Dijk Sent: 26 January 2013 18:27 To: London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers Subject: RE: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hai Duncan, At 06:44 PM 1/26/2013, Duncan Garland wrote: TPF posted a couple of days ago that it has £100,000 (or dollars or whatever) to distribute, so resources isn't the problem. Money is not the issue. If it were, I know enough people at TPF, YEF and elsewhere to ask for it. A couple of days ago Perl's official presence at Fosdem was minimal. I assume you didn't try very hard to get sponsorship because there was very little to sponsor. When something is completely free, indeed, nothing to sponsor. Yesterday things changed and you suddenly needed half a dozen or a dozen good quality speakers to drop everything and head to Brussels at seven days notice. One of those days has now gone. How are you getting on? We are getting quite a lot of proposals, and tomorrow we'll make a decision. We are sort of half-way. So anybody reading this: we can still use some help... By now, this happened: https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/event/welcome_to_perl_devroom/ We got it official online etc. I mentioned funding from TPF because I thought the speakers might require more funding than usual. They can't get cheap flights at short notice, they can't combine it with a business trip at short notice, they can't combine it with a family holiday at short notice. At least one family decided to do just that for the Dutch Perl Workshop... Which is on April 19 this year, so a bit more in the future. But they're adding a couple of days of The Netherlands especially for us. Nice people, huh, Perl people! I assumed that you wouldn't be able to offer funding until you had sponsorship. I thought that if TPF put up £5000 immediately then that would solve the problem. Then if commercial sponsors come forward you can return some or all of the money. The funny thing about many Perl people is that money is not too important for them. A lot of them put a lot of time in working, traveling, hacking, discussing... without any payment. Same for conferences. I did not yet receive one request for money to reimburse for travel and/or accomodation costs. If I get such requests, I know where to ask... My own company has done a couple of reimbursements in the past, so I know what i'm talking about. I've never been to Fosdem, but it looks important. Yes and no. I (and many with me) think it is important for Perl to show its face, its finest, its quality. We haven't been at Fosdem for many years (Fosdem exists since 2000). It is not to be compared with Oscon, it is not high-brow, slick, classy. Wanna see a mixture of office type people and your average family people with real nerds, like they are protrayed in movies, Fosdem is your place, much more so than Oscon. No classy lunch or dinner, no shiny handouts. It's different. So yes it is important for the image of Perl. It may attract more people. But it also shows Perl is not dead. And believe me, I heard the opposite way too often... All the best. Thanks.
Re: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
On 26/01/2013 12:41, Salve J Nilsen wrote: Duncan Garland said: Isn't this something TPF should get behind? Please, when asking about wether @organization can do something, be so kind to consider @organization == @people_who_already_volunteer_a_lot; # (apologies for the bad code) If you appreciate having a lively community of and for Perl amateurs and professionals, please consider helping the effort a little. Especially if you haven't already. Even small contributions of time make a big difference. - Salve (Oslo.pm volunteer going to FOSDEM, intending to help) Hi all, It is something tpf should get behind. No we aren't able to do much this year I have been speaking about this and will continue to do so with those people who control budgets, but I do appreciate all the comments and the support that I get from the community. Especially people such as Wendy, Leo and Duncan all who put in lots of their time and effort, it doesn't go unnoticed. I am hoping to get an increased marketing budget this year and wil then set aside some funds for FOSDEM 2014, as always i wil rely on the magnificent job Liz and Wendy are doing to make this year ace. So, we have 12 months, and obviously interested parties, and FOSDEM is shouting outside the echo chamber. Tell me some ideas that you have for what we should do for next year. Let's band together and make the effort since we all feel the importance. Thanks in advance -mdk * I apologise for next weighing in earlier, my wife has been in hospital for the last 5 days as she has pneumonia so i have been mostly ignoring emails. Tonight is the first night i have spare time as her parents have gone to visit and the kids went straight to bed. -- Mark Keating BA (Hons), Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder. Managing Director: http://www.shadow.cat For more that I do visit: http://www.mdk.me
RE: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
Hi, Isn't this something TPF should get behind? The Perl Community organises good conferences but they tend to be for quite small audiences. I've been told that YAPC Tokyo is the biggest with roughly 800 attendees and the next biggest ones are grouped around the 300 mark. Fosdem claims to attract 5000. We always talk about breaking out of the echo chamber, but never seem sure about how to do it. Isn't this an important opportunity? Shouldn't TPF commit to sponsoring this today and then launch a drive to find a commercial sponsor to reimburse TPF? (Perl still isn't listed on https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/ as having a developer room.) Regards Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Wendy G.A. van Dijk Sent: 25 January 2013 20:41 To: london.pm@london.pm.org Subject: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hello all, We know it is late, but we still have to try to make this work. Maybe to save the honour and pride of Perl! :-) Would you like to give a presentation in Brussels, please send me and/or Claudio a proposal. Today or tomorrow please. Thanks! Kind regards, Wendy van Dijk Dear Perl Mongers, I have to make this short and simple. Therefore most of this email is copied from last year's Call for Speakers. What? Fosdem, Brussels, 2 3 february 2013 https://fosdem.org/2013/ Where? Free University Brussels, Campus Solbosh: https://fosdem.org/2013/practical/transportation/ Why so late? Because our dev-room request was denied at first. They gave it to another programming language community. Now another community could not fill their dev-room. We are Perl, so we jumped in and we asked for this. We got it. Now we have to fill it. So be quick and send in your presentation proposal. To: Claudio Ramirez (nxadm, email: padre.claudio at apt-get.be) and Wendy van Dijk (email: nl.pm at wendy.org). Thank you. Hope to meet you all in Brussels. __ Copied and adapted from last year's Call for Speakers: Please forward to your Perl contacts. __ Taking place in the beautiful city of Brussels (Belgium), FOSDEM is the biggest free and non-commercial European event organized by and for the community. Its goal is to provide Free and Open Source developers a place to meet (see http://fosdem.org/2013/). Over the last years the Perl community had an increasing presence at FOSDEM. Over the last two years we managed to have both a booth and a dev-room. We collected an impressive positive return and wish to renew the experience. Our dev-room request for this upcoming edition (2013) was at first rejected, in favor of another programming language community. So we would only have a booth. But another open source community could not fill their dev-room and we hastily requested it for the Perl-community. Yesterday we got approval. The stand request is approved some time ago. The stand will be open throughout the weekend. The dev-room event will take place Saturday, February 2nd 2013 , between 11:00 and 19:00, in room AW.126. The room itself has 75 seats, WIFI and a VGA projector. This environment, being a university classroom with raised seats, lends itself perfectly for talks. This is a wonderful opportunity to present your Perl project -big and small- or talk about subjects you care about. We are looking for a variety of subjects on all levels: starter and advanced, generic and specialized, core internals and CPAN. We have 8 hours time, so we have the flexibility of using different time formats: e.g. talks of 20 minutes, more classic talks of 40 minutes or longer (although we learned from experience that longer talks should be split into slices of 20 or 40 minutes). Please don't doubt to send a proposal (information about yourself, subject, short description and time needed). If you have several subjects you are enthusiastic to talk about please send alternative proposals. In the case more than one talk is not selected, your proposal will help us when putting the schedule together and even have backup talks in case someone cancels. Also mention your time constraints (if any). Please send your talk proposal by e-mail to the address below as soon as you read this. You will receive an answer within 2 days. We will submit a definitive schedule on Sunday 2013-01-27 to the FOSDEM organizers. Please forward / distribute this call as wide as possible (certainly to your local mongers). Claudio Ramirez (nxadm, email: padre.claudio at apt-get.be) and Wendy van Dijk (email: nl.pm at wendy.org). NB1: This is a community event without sponsoring. We don't have the means to pay for your trip and time. If you want to sponsor part of the event, please feel free to contact us. NB2: We'll also appreciate volunteers, booth and dev-room. Please tell us your availabilities so we can also prepare a
RE: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
Hi Duncan, Thank you for this plea for assistance. Much appreciated! The last several years, we, a small group of people who have been (co-)organizers of YAPC::Europe, Perl Workshops, hackathons and Perl Monger meetings, have set up a Fosdem presence. If I recall correctly, after some pressure and with a lot of help and coordination by Gabor Szabo. I know of previous attempts, I think Dave Cross once tried to find some people interested in have a presence. And our presence at Fosdem did not go unnoticed. Fosdem is large, indeed. But it is not commercial. It is even a bit chaotic, some people say messy, and it is seriously informal. Don't compare this to Oscon, or a YAPC. It is as widely open source as can be as Oscon. And some really crazy things happen here. Real fun. Support by the Perl community is more than welcome. Sponsoring is welcome. Attendance is free, a booth is free, a dev-room is free, so money is only needed for accomodations, travel, marketing materials. Sponsoring would mostly be people-time: people to be at the booth, speakers in the dev-room, people to assist in the dev-room. So maybe for next year, if a professional organisation would like to take over to coordinate this, some of us organisers might like that. It depends... Maybe a nice start of a discussion. Kind regards, Wendy van Dijk At 12:20 PM 1/26/2013, Duncan Garland wrote: Hi, Isn't this something TPF should get behind? The Perl Community organises good conferences but they tend to be for quite small audiences. I've been told that YAPC Tokyo is the biggest with roughly 800 attendees and the next biggest ones are grouped around the 300 mark. Fosdem claims to attract 5000. We always talk about breaking out of the echo chamber, but never seem sure about how to do it. Isn't this an important opportunity? Shouldn't TPF commit to sponsoring this today and then launch a drive to find a commercial sponsor to reimburse TPF? (Perl still isn't listed on https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/ as having a developer room.) Regards Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Wendy G.A. van Dijk Sent: 25 January 2013 20:41 To: london.pm@london.pm.org Subject: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hello all, We know it is late, but we still have to try to make this work. Maybe to save the honour and pride of Perl! :-) Would you like to give a presentation in Brussels, please send me and/or Claudio a proposal. Today or tomorrow please. Thanks! Kind regards, Wendy van Dijk Dear Perl Mongers, I have to make this short and simple. Therefore most of this email is copied from last year's Call for Speakers. What? Fosdem, Brussels, 2 3 february 2013 https://fosdem.org/2013/ Where? Free University Brussels, Campus Solbosh: https://fosdem.org/2013/practical/transportation/ Why so late? Because our dev-room request was denied at first. They gave it to another programming language community. Now another community could not fill their dev-room. We are Perl, so we jumped in and we asked for this. We got it. Now we have to fill it. So be quick and send in your presentation proposal. To: Claudio Ramirez (nxadm, email: padre.claudio at apt-get.be) and Wendy van Dijk (email: nl.pm at wendy.org). Thank you. Hope to meet you all in Brussels. __ Copied and adapted from last year's Call for Speakers: Please forward to your Perl contacts. __ Taking place in the beautiful city of Brussels (Belgium), FOSDEM is the biggest free and non-commercial European event organized by and for the community. Its goal is to provide Free and Open Source developers a place to meet (see http://fosdem.org/2013/). Over the last years the Perl community had an increasing presence at FOSDEM. Over the last two years we managed to have both a booth and a dev-room. We collected an impressive positive return and wish to renew the experience. Our dev-room request for this upcoming edition (2013) was at first rejected, in favor of another programming language community. So we would only have a booth. But another open source community could not fill their dev-room and we hastily requested it for the Perl-community. Yesterday we got approval. The stand request is approved some time ago. The stand will be open throughout the weekend. The dev-room event will take place Saturday, February 2nd 2013 , between 11:00 and 19:00, in room AW.126. The room itself has 75 seats, WIFI and a VGA projector. This environment, being a university classroom with raised seats, lends itself perfectly for talks. This is a wonderful opportunity to present your Perl project -big and small- or talk about subjects you care about. We are looking for a variety of subjects on all levels: starter and advanced, generic and specialized,
Re: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
Hi Duncan, Please contact the TPF and let them know how many hours a week you are able to commit to helping co-ordinate this sort of thing. Leo On 26 Jan 2013, at 11:25, Duncan Garland duncan.garl...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi, Isn't this something TPF should get behind? The Perl Community organises good conferences but they tend to be for quite small audiences. I've been told that YAPC Tokyo is the biggest with roughly 800 attendees and the next biggest ones are grouped around the 300 mark. Fosdem claims to attract 5000. We always talk about breaking out of the echo chamber, but never seem sure about how to do it. Isn't this an important opportunity? Shouldn't TPF commit to sponsoring this today and then launch a drive to find a commercial sponsor to reimburse TPF? (Perl still isn't listed on https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/ as having a developer room.) Regards Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Wendy G.A. van Dijk Sent: 25 January 2013 20:41 To: london.pm@london.pm.org Subject: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hello all, We know it is late, but we still have to try to make this work. Maybe to save the honour and pride of Perl! :-) Would you like to give a presentation in Brussels, please send me and/or Claudio a proposal. Today or tomorrow please. Thanks! Kind regards, Wendy van Dijk Dear Perl Mongers, I have to make this short and simple. Therefore most of this email is copied from last year's Call for Speakers. What? Fosdem, Brussels, 2 3 february 2013 https://fosdem.org/2013/ Where? Free University Brussels, Campus Solbosh: https://fosdem.org/2013/practical/transportation/ Why so late? Because our dev-room request was denied at first. They gave it to another programming language community. Now another community could not fill their dev-room. We are Perl, so we jumped in and we asked for this. We got it. Now we have to fill it. So be quick and send in your presentation proposal. To: Claudio Ramirez (nxadm, email: padre.claudio at apt-get.be) and Wendy van Dijk (email: nl.pm at wendy.org). Thank you. Hope to meet you all in Brussels. __ Copied and adapted from last year's Call for Speakers: Please forward to your Perl contacts. __ Taking place in the beautiful city of Brussels (Belgium), FOSDEM is the biggest free and non-commercial European event organized by and for the community. Its goal is to provide Free and Open Source developers a place to meet (see http://fosdem.org/2013/). Over the last years the Perl community had an increasing presence at FOSDEM. Over the last two years we managed to have both a booth and a dev-room. We collected an impressive positive return and wish to renew the experience. Our dev-room request for this upcoming edition (2013) was at first rejected, in favor of another programming language community. So we would only have a booth. But another open source community could not fill their dev-room and we hastily requested it for the Perl-community. Yesterday we got approval. The stand request is approved some time ago. The stand will be open throughout the weekend. The dev-room event will take place Saturday, February 2nd 2013 , between 11:00 and 19:00, in room AW.126. The room itself has 75 seats, WIFI and a VGA projector. This environment, being a university classroom with raised seats, lends itself perfectly for talks. This is a wonderful opportunity to present your Perl project -big and small- or talk about subjects you care about. We are looking for a variety of subjects on all levels: starter and advanced, generic and specialized, core internals and CPAN. We have 8 hours time, so we have the flexibility of using different time formats: e.g. talks of 20 minutes, more classic talks of 40 minutes or longer (although we learned from experience that longer talks should be split into slices of 20 or 40 minutes). Please don't doubt to send a proposal (information about yourself, subject, short description and time needed). If you have several subjects you are enthusiastic to talk about please send alternative proposals. In the case more than one talk is not selected, your proposal will help us when putting the schedule together and even have backup talks in case someone cancels. Also mention your time constraints (if any). Please send your talk proposal by e-mail to the address below as soon as you read this. You will receive an answer within 2 days. We will submit a definitive schedule on Sunday 2013-01-27 to the FOSDEM organizers. Please forward / distribute this call as wide as possible (certainly to your local mongers). Claudio Ramirez (nxadm, email: padre.claudio at apt-get.be) and Wendy van Dijk (email: nl.pm at
RE: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
And the reason why we are not mentioned yet on the page of Fosdem is because our dev-room is only semi-official yet. Fosdem decided not to give us a dev-room, and give our regular dev-room to a friendly/competing programming language. Another friendly/competing programming language could not fill their dev-room. We heard about that 3 days ago. We immediately decided to try to get that room. Fosdem agreed the next day, 2 days ago. We immediately started setting up texts, contacting people, sending out invitations. Tmorrow, Sunday, Fosdem has a deadline for their printed booklets with the schedules of the presentations in the dev-rooms. They half and half don't expect us to succeed in filling our room, so that's why we are not yet on the site. And I f**king don't want to see this fail, because Perl is better than that. Imagine how we can proof the world that Perl is very much alive. Sorry for the language. Thanks for your attention. Kind regards, Wendy van Dijk At 12:20 PM 1/26/2013, Duncan Garland wrote: ... (Perl still isn't listed on https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/ as having a developer room.) Regards Duncan
RE: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
And the reason why we are not mentioned yet on the page of Fosdem is because our dev-room is only semi-official yet. Fosdem decided not to give us a dev-room, and give our regular dev-room to a friendly/competing programming language. Another friendly/competing programming language could not fill their dev-room. We heard about that 3 days ago. We immediately decided to try to get that room. Fosdem agreed the next day, 2 days ago. We immediately started setting up texts, contacting people, sending out invitations. Tmorrow, Sunday, Fosdem has a deadline for their printed booklets with the schedules of the presentations in the dev-rooms. They half and half don't expect us to succeed in filling our room, so that's why we are not yet on the site. And I f**king don't want to see this fail, because Perl is better than that. Imagine how we can proof the world that Perl is very much alive. Sorry for the language. Thanks for your attention. Kind regards, Wendy van Dijk At 12:20 PM 1/26/2013, Duncan Garland wrote: ... (Perl still isn't listed on https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/ as having a developer room.) Regards Duncan
RE: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
Duncan Garland said:
Isn't this something TPF should get behind?
Please, when asking about wether @organization can do something, be so
kind to consider
@organization == @people_who_already_volunteer_a_lot;
# (apologies for the bad code)
If you appreciate having a lively community of and for Perl amateurs
and professionals, please consider helping the effort a little.
Especially if you haven't already. Even small contributions of time
make a big difference.
- Salve (Oslo.pm volunteer going to FOSDEM, intending to help)
--
#!/usr/bin/perl
sub AUTOLOAD{$AUTOLOAD=~/.*::(\d+)/;seek(DATA,$1,0);print# Salve Joshua Nilsen
getc DATA}$='};{';@_=unpack(C*,unpack(u*,':4@,$'.# s...@foo.no
'2!--5-(50P%$PL,!0X354UC-PP%/0\`'.\n));eval {'@_'}; __END__ is near! :)
RE: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
Hi Leo, I ran a workshop at this year's LPW. I got the company I work for to sponsor LPW. All the sponsorship money went to LPW, I paid my own expenses. I'll know next week whether I've succeeded in getting some sponsorship for the QA Hackathon. I've been to 6 of the 9 LPWs. The last 5 plus one a couple of years before that. I'm active in both London PM and Southampton PM. Don't patronise me. Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Leo Lapworth Sent: 26 January 2013 12:06 To: London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers Subject: Re: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hi Duncan, Please contact the TPF and let them know how many hours a week you are able to commit to helping co-ordinate this sort of thing. Leo On 26 Jan 2013, at 11:25, Duncan Garland duncan.garl...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi, Isn't this something TPF should get behind? The Perl Community organises good conferences but they tend to be for quite small audiences. I've been told that YAPC Tokyo is the biggest with roughly 800 attendees and the next biggest ones are grouped around the 300 mark. Fosdem claims to attract 5000. We always talk about breaking out of the echo chamber, but never seem sure about how to do it. Isn't this an important opportunity? Shouldn't TPF commit to sponsoring this today and then launch a drive to find a commercial sponsor to reimburse TPF? (Perl still isn't listed on https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/ as having a developer room.) Regards Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Wendy G.A. van Dijk Sent: 25 January 2013 20:41 To: london.pm@london.pm.org Subject: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hello all, We know it is late, but we still have to try to make this work. Maybe to save the honour and pride of Perl! :-) Would you like to give a presentation in Brussels, please send me and/or Claudio a proposal. Today or tomorrow please. Thanks! Kind regards, Wendy van Dijk Dear Perl Mongers, I have to make this short and simple. Therefore most of this email is copied from last year's Call for Speakers. What? Fosdem, Brussels, 2 3 february 2013 https://fosdem.org/2013/ Where? Free University Brussels, Campus Solbosh: https://fosdem.org/2013/practical/transportation/ Why so late? Because our dev-room request was denied at first. They gave it to another programming language community. Now another community could not fill their dev-room. We are Perl, so we jumped in and we asked for this. We got it. Now we have to fill it. So be quick and send in your presentation proposal. To: Claudio Ramirez (nxadm, email: padre.claudio at apt-get.be) and Wendy van Dijk (email: nl.pm at wendy.org). Thank you. Hope to meet you all in Brussels. __ Copied and adapted from last year's Call for Speakers: Please forward to your Perl contacts. __ Taking place in the beautiful city of Brussels (Belgium), FOSDEM is the biggest free and non-commercial European event organized by and for the community. Its goal is to provide Free and Open Source developers a place to meet (see http://fosdem.org/2013/). Over the last years the Perl community had an increasing presence at FOSDEM. Over the last two years we managed to have both a booth and a dev-room. We collected an impressive positive return and wish to renew the experience. Our dev-room request for this upcoming edition (2013) was at first rejected, in favor of another programming language community. So we would only have a booth. But another open source community could not fill their dev-room and we hastily requested it for the Perl-community. Yesterday we got approval. The stand request is approved some time ago. The stand will be open throughout the weekend. The dev-room event will take place Saturday, February 2nd 2013 , between 11:00 and 19:00, in room AW.126. The room itself has 75 seats, WIFI and a VGA projector. This environment, being a university classroom with raised seats, lends itself perfectly for talks. This is a wonderful opportunity to present your Perl project -big and small- or talk about subjects you care about. We are looking for a variety of subjects on all levels: starter and advanced, generic and specialized, core internals and CPAN. We have 8 hours time, so we have the flexibility of using different time formats: e.g. talks of 20 minutes, more classic talks of 40 minutes or longer (although we learned from experience that longer talks should be split into slices of 20 or 40 minutes). Please don't doubt to send a proposal (information about yourself, subject, short description and time needed). If you have
RE: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
And I put a lot of effort at very short notice into an article for this year's Catalyst Advent Calendar. -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Leo Lapworth Sent: 26 January 2013 12:06 To: London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers Subject: Re: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hi Duncan, Please contact the TPF and let them know how many hours a week you are able to commit to helping co-ordinate this sort of thing. Leo On 26 Jan 2013, at 11:25, Duncan Garland duncan.garl...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi, Isn't this something TPF should get behind? The Perl Community organises good conferences but they tend to be for quite small audiences. I've been told that YAPC Tokyo is the biggest with roughly 800 attendees and the next biggest ones are grouped around the 300 mark. Fosdem claims to attract 5000. We always talk about breaking out of the echo chamber, but never seem sure about how to do it. Isn't this an important opportunity? Shouldn't TPF commit to sponsoring this today and then launch a drive to find a commercial sponsor to reimburse TPF? (Perl still isn't listed on https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/ as having a developer room.) Regards Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Wendy G.A. van Dijk Sent: 25 January 2013 20:41 To: london.pm@london.pm.org Subject: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hello all, We know it is late, but we still have to try to make this work. Maybe to save the honour and pride of Perl! :-) Would you like to give a presentation in Brussels, please send me and/or Claudio a proposal. Today or tomorrow please. Thanks! Kind regards, Wendy van Dijk Dear Perl Mongers, I have to make this short and simple. Therefore most of this email is copied from last year's Call for Speakers. What? Fosdem, Brussels, 2 3 february 2013 https://fosdem.org/2013/ Where? Free University Brussels, Campus Solbosh: https://fosdem.org/2013/practical/transportation/ Why so late? Because our dev-room request was denied at first. They gave it to another programming language community. Now another community could not fill their dev-room. We are Perl, so we jumped in and we asked for this. We got it. Now we have to fill it. So be quick and send in your presentation proposal. To: Claudio Ramirez (nxadm, email: padre.claudio at apt-get.be) and Wendy van Dijk (email: nl.pm at wendy.org). Thank you. Hope to meet you all in Brussels. __ Copied and adapted from last year's Call for Speakers: Please forward to your Perl contacts. __ Taking place in the beautiful city of Brussels (Belgium), FOSDEM is the biggest free and non-commercial European event organized by and for the community. Its goal is to provide Free and Open Source developers a place to meet (see http://fosdem.org/2013/). Over the last years the Perl community had an increasing presence at FOSDEM. Over the last two years we managed to have both a booth and a dev-room. We collected an impressive positive return and wish to renew the experience. Our dev-room request for this upcoming edition (2013) was at first rejected, in favor of another programming language community. So we would only have a booth. But another open source community could not fill their dev-room and we hastily requested it for the Perl-community. Yesterday we got approval. The stand request is approved some time ago. The stand will be open throughout the weekend. The dev-room event will take place Saturday, February 2nd 2013 , between 11:00 and 19:00, in room AW.126. The room itself has 75 seats, WIFI and a VGA projector. This environment, being a university classroom with raised seats, lends itself perfectly for talks. This is a wonderful opportunity to present your Perl project -big and small- or talk about subjects you care about. We are looking for a variety of subjects on all levels: starter and advanced, generic and specialized, core internals and CPAN. We have 8 hours time, so we have the flexibility of using different time formats: e.g. talks of 20 minutes, more classic talks of 40 minutes or longer (although we learned from experience that longer talks should be split into slices of 20 or 40 minutes). Please don't doubt to send a proposal (information about yourself, subject, short description and time needed). If you have several subjects you are enthusiastic to talk about please send alternative proposals. In the case more than one talk is not selected, your proposal will help us when putting the schedule together and even have backup talks in case someone cancels. Also mention your time constraints (if any). Please
Re: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
Before this blows up, can i just say that Leo is a good guy and your work speaks for itself Duncan, and sometimes we can all fire off a quick email a little too rashly as we get used to trolls and other internet mailing list beasties. G. p.s. now who wants to buy me first class eurostar tickets to brussels ;-). On 26 Jan 2013, at 14:17, Duncan Garland wrote: And I put a lot of effort at very short notice into an article for this year's Catalyst Advent Calendar. -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Leo Lapworth Sent: 26 January 2013 12:06 To: London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers Subject: Re: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hi Duncan, Please contact the TPF and let them know how many hours a week you are able to commit to helping co-ordinate this sort of thing. Leo On 26 Jan 2013, at 11:25, Duncan Garland duncan.garl...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi, Isn't this something TPF should get behind? The Perl Community organises good conferences but they tend to be for quite small audiences. I've been told that YAPC Tokyo is the biggest with roughly 800 attendees and the next biggest ones are grouped around the 300 mark. Fosdem claims to attract 5000. We always talk about breaking out of the echo chamber, but never seem sure about how to do it. Isn't this an important opportunity? Shouldn't TPF commit to sponsoring this today and then launch a drive to find a commercial sponsor to reimburse TPF? (Perl still isn't listed on https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/ as having a developer room.) Regards Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Wendy G.A. van Dijk Sent: 25 January 2013 20:41 To: london.pm@london.pm.org Subject: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hello all, We know it is late, but we still have to try to make this work. Maybe to save the honour and pride of Perl! :-) Would you like to give a presentation in Brussels, please send me and/or Claudio a proposal. Today or tomorrow please. Thanks! Kind regards, Wendy van Dijk Dear Perl Mongers, I have to make this short and simple. Therefore most of this email is copied from last year's Call for Speakers. What? Fosdem, Brussels, 2 3 february 2013 https://fosdem.org/2013/ Where? Free University Brussels, Campus Solbosh: https://fosdem.org/2013/practical/transportation/ Why so late? Because our dev-room request was denied at first. They gave it to another programming language community. Now another community could not fill their dev-room. We are Perl, so we jumped in and we asked for this. We got it. Now we have to fill it. So be quick and send in your presentation proposal. To: Claudio Ramirez (nxadm, email: padre.claudio at apt-get.be) and Wendy van Dijk (email: nl.pm at wendy.org). Thank you. Hope to meet you all in Brussels. __ Copied and adapted from last year's Call for Speakers: Please forward to your Perl contacts. __ Taking place in the beautiful city of Brussels (Belgium), FOSDEM is the biggest free and non-commercial European event organized by and for the community. Its goal is to provide Free and Open Source developers a place to meet (see http://fosdem.org/2013/). Over the last years the Perl community had an increasing presence at FOSDEM. Over the last two years we managed to have both a booth and a dev-room. We collected an impressive positive return and wish to renew the experience. Our dev-room request for this upcoming edition (2013) was at first rejected, in favor of another programming language community. So we would only have a booth. But another open source community could not fill their dev-room and we hastily requested it for the Perl-community. Yesterday we got approval. The stand request is approved some time ago. The stand will be open throughout the weekend. The dev-room event will take place Saturday, February 2nd 2013 , between 11:00 and 19:00, in room AW.126. The room itself has 75 seats, WIFI and a VGA projector. This environment, being a university classroom with raised seats, lends itself perfectly for talks. This is a wonderful opportunity to present your Perl project -big and small- or talk about subjects you care about. We are looking for a variety of subjects on all levels: starter and advanced, generic and specialized, core internals and CPAN. We have 8 hours time, so we have the flexibility of using different time formats: e.g. talks of 20 minutes, more classic talks of 40 minutes or longer (although we learned from experience that longer talks should be split into slices of 20 or 40 minutes). Please
RE: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
Hi Duncan, I salute you for this! Well done, thank you for your support. And I realise your question about Fosdem was a genuine question. The answer I gave was not the right one. I think the only right answer is: The Perl community itself is the only right organisation to organise events like YAPC, workshops, hackathons, PM meetings, presence at Oscon and Fosdem. Organisations like TPF, YEF YAPC Europe Foundation, EPO Enlightened Perl Organisation, SPPN Dutch Foundation for Perl Promotion, etc, are mostly here to assist. Bring people together, and if needed, support financially. Mention things on websites, press releases. Try to mediate in case of arguments. But TPF, YEF, EPO and SPPN have not enough people to organise or coordinate workshops or conferences themselves. This is not meant patronising. This is also a statement for many other people who have said the same as you did, I have heard and read ithis question before. Kind regards, Wendy van dijk At 03:05 PM 1/26/2013, Duncan Garland wrote: Hi Leo, I ran a workshop at this year's LPW. I got the company I work for to sponsor LPW. All the sponsorship money went to LPW, I paid my own expenses. I'll know next week whether I've succeeded in getting some sponsorship for the QA Hackathon. I've been to 6 of the 9 LPWs. The last 5 plus one a couple of years before that. I'm active in both London PM and Southampton PM. Don't patronise me. Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Leo Lapworth Sent: 26 January 2013 12:06 To: London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers Subject: Re: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hi Duncan, Please contact the TPF and let them know how many hours a week you are able to commit to helping co-ordinate this sort of thing. Leo On 26 Jan 2013, at 11:25, Duncan Garland duncan.garl...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi, Isn't this something TPF should get behind? The Perl Community organises good conferences but they tend to be for quite small audiences. I've been told that YAPC Tokyo is the biggest with roughly 800 attendees and the next biggest ones are grouped around the 300 mark. Fosdem claims to attract 5000. We always talk about breaking out of the echo chamber, but never seem sure about how to do it. Isn't this an important opportunity? Shouldn't TPF commit to sponsoring this today and then launch a drive to find a commercial sponsor to reimburse TPF? (Perl still isn't listed on https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/ as having a developer room.) Regards Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Wendy G.A. van Dijk Sent: 25 January 2013 20:41 To: london.pm@london.pm.org Subject: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hello all, We know it is late, but we still have to try to make this work. Maybe to save the honour and pride of Perl! :-) Would you like to give a presentation in Brussels, please send me and/or Claudio a proposal. Today or tomorrow please. Thanks! Kind regards, Wendy van Dijk Dear Perl Mongers, I have to make this short and simple. Therefore most of this email is copied from last year's Call for Speakers. What? Fosdem, Brussels, 2 3 february 2013 https://fosdem.org/2013/ Where? Free University Brussels, Campus Solbosh: https://fosdem.org/2013/practical/transportation/ Why so late? Because our dev-room request was denied at first. They gave it to another programming language community. Now another community could not fill their dev-room. We are Perl, so we jumped in and we asked for this. We got it. Now we have to fill it. So be quick and send in your presentation proposal. To: Claudio Ramirez (nxadm, email: padre.claudio at apt-get.be) and Wendy van Dijk (email: nl.pm at wendy.org). Thank you. Hope to meet you all in Brussels. __ Copied and adapted from last year's Call for Speakers: Please forward to your Perl contacts. __ Taking place in the beautiful city of Brussels (Belgium), FOSDEM is the biggest free and non-commercial European event organized by and for the community. Its goal is to provide Free and Open Source developers a place to meet (see http://fosdem.org/2013/). Over the last years the Perl community had an increasing presence at FOSDEM. Over the last two years we managed to have both a booth and a dev-room. We collected an impressive positive return and wish to renew the experience. Our dev-room request for this upcoming edition (2013) was at first rejected, in favor of another programming language community. So we would only have a booth. But another open source community could not fill their dev-room and we hastily requested it for the Perl-community. Yesterday we got
Re: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
Hi Duncan, Sorry that was not meant to be patronising - so many people say TPF should do X,Y,Z - but miss that the TPF/Perl community needs people to get on and do it. As Wendy has mentioned this has come up many times. I did not mean to criticise you personally, just pointing out that if you or anyone wants something to happy you/they need to do it or get a group of people together who can do it (I think this is how Wendy, Gabor and several others first got going with Perl attending Fosdem again a few years ago, and they didn't need any help from TPF). Personally I have just got on and done things for the Perl community that I wanted to see happen, there are many generous people and companies (like you and your company) who can be approached without the need for a structure like the TPF. The TPF and other organisations come into their own when legal and financial assistance is required, but more often than not donations can be sort directly (e.g. metacpan hosting) without financial transactions having to take place. I applaud anyone who does anything for the community, and encourage anyone who wants more things to happen to ask the question of this list or the TPF or the EPO, etc (or all of them) Who do I need to speak to or what do I need to do to help get X done?. Best wishes Leo On 26 January 2013 14:05, Duncan Garland duncan.garl...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi Leo, I ran a workshop at this year's LPW. I got the company I work for to sponsor LPW. All the sponsorship money went to LPW, I paid my own expenses. I'll know next week whether I've succeeded in getting some sponsorship for the QA Hackathon. I've been to 6 of the 9 LPWs. The last 5 plus one a couple of years before that. I'm active in both London PM and Southampton PM. Don't patronise me. Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Leo Lapworth Sent: 26 January 2013 12:06 To: London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers Subject: Re: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hi Duncan, Please contact the TPF and let them know how many hours a week you are able to commit to helping co-ordinate this sort of thing. Leo On 26 Jan 2013, at 11:25, Duncan Garland duncan.garl...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi, Isn't this something TPF should get behind? The Perl Community organises good conferences but they tend to be for quite small audiences. I've been told that YAPC Tokyo is the biggest with roughly 800 attendees and the next biggest ones are grouped around the 300 mark. Fosdem claims to attract 5000. We always talk about breaking out of the echo chamber, but never seem sure about how to do it. Isn't this an important opportunity? Shouldn't TPF commit to sponsoring this today and then launch a drive to find a commercial sponsor to reimburse TPF? (Perl still isn't listed on https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/ as having a developer room.) Regards Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Wendy G.A. van Dijk Sent: 25 January 2013 20:41 To: london.pm@london.pm.org Subject: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hello all, We know it is late, but we still have to try to make this work. Maybe to save the honour and pride of Perl! :-) Would you like to give a presentation in Brussels, please send me and/or Claudio a proposal. Today or tomorrow please. Thanks! Kind regards, Wendy van Dijk Dear Perl Mongers, I have to make this short and simple. Therefore most of this email is copied from last year's Call for Speakers. What? Fosdem, Brussels, 2 3 february 2013 https://fosdem.org/2013/ Where? Free University Brussels, Campus Solbosh: https://fosdem.org/2013/practical/transportation/ Why so late? Because our dev-room request was denied at first. They gave it to another programming language community. Now another community could not fill their dev-room. We are Perl, so we jumped in and we asked for this. We got it. Now we have to fill it. So be quick and send in your presentation proposal. To: Claudio Ramirez (nxadm, email: padre.claudio at apt-get.be) and Wendy van Dijk (email: nl.pm at wendy.org). Thank you. Hope to meet you all in Brussels. __ Copied and adapted from last year's Call for Speakers: Please forward to your Perl contacts. __ Taking place in the beautiful city of Brussels (Belgium), FOSDEM is the biggest free and non-commercial European event organized by and for the community. Its goal is to provide Free and Open Source developers a place to meet (see http://fosdem.org/2013/). Over the last years the Perl community had an increasing presence at FOSDEM. Over the last two years we managed to have both a booth and a dev-room.
Re: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
Maybe what we need is a match.com of sorts for the Perl community. Who has time/skills/resources and who in the Perl community/TPF knows that something needs done. I'll pick on Jess (castaway) as an example . 1 hour a week proof reading. That would get snapped up every week. And the reason i picked on Jess is i know she can do that way better than most people in the community, just as i know it isn't my strong point (and I didn't capitalise the 'I' earlier in this paragraph). G. On 26 Jan 2013, at 15:08, Leo Lapworth wrote: Hi Duncan, Sorry that was not meant to be patronising - so many people say TPF should do X,Y,Z - but miss that the TPF/Perl community needs people to get on and do it. As Wendy has mentioned this has come up many times. I did not mean to criticise you personally, just pointing out that if you or anyone wants something to happy you/they need to do it or get a group of people together who can do it (I think this is how Wendy, Gabor and several others first got going with Perl attending Fosdem again a few years ago, and they didn't need any help from TPF). Personally I have just got on and done things for the Perl community that I wanted to see happen, there are many generous people and companies (like you and your company) who can be approached without the need for a structure like the TPF. The TPF and other organisations come into their own when legal and financial assistance is required, but more often than not donations can be sort directly (e.g. metacpan hosting) without financial transactions having to take place. I applaud anyone who does anything for the community, and encourage anyone who wants more things to happen to ask the question of this list or the TPF or the EPO, etc (or all of them) Who do I need to speak to or what do I need to do to help get X done?. Best wishes Leo On 26 January 2013 14:05, Duncan Garland duncan.garl...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi Leo, I ran a workshop at this year's LPW. I got the company I work for to sponsor LPW. All the sponsorship money went to LPW, I paid my own expenses. I'll know next week whether I've succeeded in getting some sponsorship for the QA Hackathon. I've been to 6 of the 9 LPWs. The last 5 plus one a couple of years before that. I'm active in both London PM and Southampton PM. Don't patronise me. Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Leo Lapworth Sent: 26 January 2013 12:06 To: London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers Subject: Re: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hi Duncan, Please contact the TPF and let them know how many hours a week you are able to commit to helping co-ordinate this sort of thing. Leo On 26 Jan 2013, at 11:25, Duncan Garland duncan.garl...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi, Isn't this something TPF should get behind? The Perl Community organises good conferences but they tend to be for quite small audiences. I've been told that YAPC Tokyo is the biggest with roughly 800 attendees and the next biggest ones are grouped around the 300 mark. Fosdem claims to attract 5000. We always talk about breaking out of the echo chamber, but never seem sure about how to do it. Isn't this an important opportunity? Shouldn't TPF commit to sponsoring this today and then launch a drive to find a commercial sponsor to reimburse TPF? (Perl still isn't listed on https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/ as having a developer room.) Regards Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Wendy G.A. van Dijk Sent: 25 January 2013 20:41 To: london.pm@london.pm.org Subject: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hello all, We know it is late, but we still have to try to make this work. Maybe to save the honour and pride of Perl! :-) Would you like to give a presentation in Brussels, please send me and/or Claudio a proposal. Today or tomorrow please. Thanks! Kind regards, Wendy van Dijk Dear Perl Mongers, I have to make this short and simple. Therefore most of this email is copied from last year's Call for Speakers. What? Fosdem, Brussels, 2 3 february 2013 https://fosdem.org/2013/ Where? Free University Brussels, Campus Solbosh: https://fosdem.org/2013/practical/transportation/ Why so late? Because our dev-room request was denied at first. They gave it to another programming language community. Now another community could not fill their dev-room. We are Perl, so we jumped in and we asked for this. We got it. Now we have to fill it. So be quick and send in your presentation proposal. To: Claudio Ramirez (nxadm, email: padre.claudio at apt-get.be) and Wendy van Dijk (email: nl.pm at wendy.org). Thank you. Hope to meet you all in Brussels.
RE: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
Hi Leo, No worries. I've seen your presentations on Puppet, DBIx::Class and Plack and always enjoyed them. I know you headed up London PM in 2011 as well. That was a good effort. Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Leo Lapworth Sent: 26 January 2013 15:09 To: London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers Subject: Re: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hi Duncan, Sorry that was not meant to be patronising - so many people say TPF should do X,Y,Z - but miss that the TPF/Perl community needs people to get on and do it. As Wendy has mentioned this has come up many times. I did not mean to criticise you personally, just pointing out that if you or anyone wants something to happy you/they need to do it or get a group of people together who can do it (I think this is how Wendy, Gabor and several others first got going with Perl attending Fosdem again a few years ago, and they didn't need any help from TPF). Personally I have just got on and done things for the Perl community that I wanted to see happen, there are many generous people and companies (like you and your company) who can be approached without the need for a structure like the TPF. The TPF and other organisations come into their own when legal and financial assistance is required, but more often than not donations can be sort directly (e.g. metacpan hosting) without financial transactions having to take place. I applaud anyone who does anything for the community, and encourage anyone who wants more things to happen to ask the question of this list or the TPF or the EPO, etc (or all of them) Who do I need to speak to or what do I need to do to help get X done?. Best wishes Leo On 26 January 2013 14:05, Duncan Garland duncan.garl...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi Leo, I ran a workshop at this year's LPW. I got the company I work for to sponsor LPW. All the sponsorship money went to LPW, I paid my own expenses. I'll know next week whether I've succeeded in getting some sponsorship for the QA Hackathon. I've been to 6 of the 9 LPWs. The last 5 plus one a couple of years before that. I'm active in both London PM and Southampton PM. Don't patronise me. Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Leo Lapworth Sent: 26 January 2013 12:06 To: London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers Subject: Re: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hi Duncan, Please contact the TPF and let them know how many hours a week you are able to commit to helping co-ordinate this sort of thing. Leo On 26 Jan 2013, at 11:25, Duncan Garland duncan.garl...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi, Isn't this something TPF should get behind? The Perl Community organises good conferences but they tend to be for quite small audiences. I've been told that YAPC Tokyo is the biggest with roughly 800 attendees and the next biggest ones are grouped around the 300 mark. Fosdem claims to attract 5000. We always talk about breaking out of the echo chamber, but never seem sure about how to do it. Isn't this an important opportunity? Shouldn't TPF commit to sponsoring this today and then launch a drive to find a commercial sponsor to reimburse TPF? (Perl still isn't listed on https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/ as having a developer room.) Regards Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Wendy G.A. van Dijk Sent: 25 January 2013 20:41 To: london.pm@london.pm.org Subject: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hello all, We know it is late, but we still have to try to make this work. Maybe to save the honour and pride of Perl! :-) Would you like to give a presentation in Brussels, please send me and/or Claudio a proposal. Today or tomorrow please. Thanks! Kind regards, Wendy van Dijk Dear Perl Mongers, I have to make this short and simple. Therefore most of this email is copied from last year's Call for Speakers. What? Fosdem, Brussels, 2 3 february 2013 https://fosdem.org/2013/ Where? Free University Brussels, Campus Solbosh: https://fosdem.org/2013/practical/transportation/ Why so late? Because our dev-room request was denied at first. They gave it to another programming language community. Now another community could not fill their dev-room. We are Perl, so we jumped in and we asked for this. We got it. Now we have to fill it. So be quick and send in your presentation proposal. To: Claudio Ramirez (nxadm, email: padre.claudio at apt-get.be) and Wendy van Dijk (email: nl.pm at wendy.org). Thank you. Hope to meet you all in Brussels. __ Copied and adapted from last year's Call for Speakers: Please forward to your Perl
RE: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
Hi Wendy, TPF posted a couple of days ago that it has £100,000 (or dollars or whatever) to distribute, so resources isn't the problem. A couple of days ago Perl's official presence at Fosdem was minimal. I assume you didn't try very hard to get sponsorship because there was very little to sponsor. Yesterday things changed and you suddenly needed half a dozen or a dozen good quality speakers to drop everything and head to Brussels at seven days notice. One of those days has now gone. How are you getting on? I mentioned funding from TPF because I thought the speakers might require more funding than usual. They can't get cheap flights at short notice, they can't combine it with a business trip at short notice, they can't combine it with a family holiday at short notice. I assumed that you wouldn't be able to offer funding until you had sponsorship. I thought that if TPF put up £5000 immediately then that would solve the problem. Then if commercial sponsors come forward you can return some or all of the money. I've never been to Fosdem, but it looks important. All the best. Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Wendy G.A. van Dijk Sent: 26 January 2013 14:46 To: London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers Subject: RE: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hi Duncan, I salute you for this! Well done, thank you for your support. And I realise your question about Fosdem was a genuine question. The answer I gave was not the right one. I think the only right answer is: The Perl community itself is the only right organisation to organise events like YAPC, workshops, hackathons, PM meetings, presence at Oscon and Fosdem. Organisations like TPF, YEF YAPC Europe Foundation, EPO Enlightened Perl Organisation, SPPN Dutch Foundation for Perl Promotion, etc, are mostly here to assist. Bring people together, and if needed, support financially. Mention things on websites, press releases. Try to mediate in case of arguments. But TPF, YEF, EPO and SPPN have not enough people to organise or coordinate workshops or conferences themselves. This is not meant patronising. This is also a statement for many other people who have said the same as you did, I have heard and read ithis question before. Kind regards, Wendy van dijk At 03:05 PM 1/26/2013, Duncan Garland wrote: Hi Leo, I ran a workshop at this year's LPW. I got the company I work for to sponsor LPW. All the sponsorship money went to LPW, I paid my own expenses. I'll know next week whether I've succeeded in getting some sponsorship for the QA Hackathon. I've been to 6 of the 9 LPWs. The last 5 plus one a couple of years before that. I'm active in both London PM and Southampton PM. Don't patronise me. Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Leo Lapworth Sent: 26 January 2013 12:06 To: London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers Subject: Re: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hi Duncan, Please contact the TPF and let them know how many hours a week you are able to commit to helping co-ordinate this sort of thing. Leo On 26 Jan 2013, at 11:25, Duncan Garland duncan.garl...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi, Isn't this something TPF should get behind? The Perl Community organises good conferences but they tend to be for quite small audiences. I've been told that YAPC Tokyo is the biggest with roughly 800 attendees and the next biggest ones are grouped around the 300 mark. Fosdem claims to attract 5000. We always talk about breaking out of the echo chamber, but never seem sure about how to do it. Isn't this an important opportunity? Shouldn't TPF commit to sponsoring this today and then launch a drive to find a commercial sponsor to reimburse TPF? (Perl still isn't listed on https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/ as having a developer room.) Regards Duncan -Original Message- From: london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-boun...@london.pm.org] On Behalf Of Wendy G.A. van Dijk Sent: 25 January 2013 20:41 To: london.pm@london.pm.org Subject: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers! Hello all, We know it is late, but we still have to try to make this work. Maybe to save the honour and pride of Perl! :-) Would you like to give a presentation in Brussels, please send me and/or Claudio a proposal. Today or tomorrow please. Thanks! Kind regards, Wendy van Dijk Dear Perl Mongers, I have to make this short and simple. Therefore most of this email is copied from last year's Call for Speakers. What? Fosdem, Brussels, 2 3 february 2013 https://fosdem.org/2013/ Where? Free University Brussels, Campus Solbosh: https://fosdem.org/2013/practical/transportation/ Why so late? Because our
RE: We get a dev-room at Fosdem after all. Emergency Call for Papers!
Hai Duncan, At 06:44 PM 1/26/2013, Duncan Garland wrote: TPF posted a couple of days ago that it has £100,000 (or dollars or whatever) to distribute, so resources isn't the problem. Money is not the issue. If it were, I know enough people at TPF, YEF and elsewhere to ask for it. A couple of days ago Perl's official presence at Fosdem was minimal. I assume you didn't try very hard to get sponsorship because there was very little to sponsor. When something is completely free, indeed, nothing to sponsor. Yesterday things changed and you suddenly needed half a dozen or a dozen good quality speakers to drop everything and head to Brussels at seven days notice. One of those days has now gone. How are you getting on? We are getting quite a lot of proposals, and tomorrow we'll make a decision. We are sort of half-way. So anybody reading this: we can still use some help... By now, this happened: https://fosdem.org/2013/schedule/event/welcome_to_perl_devroom/ We got it official online etc. I mentioned funding from TPF because I thought the speakers might require more funding than usual. They can't get cheap flights at short notice, they can't combine it with a business trip at short notice, they can't combine it with a family holiday at short notice. At least one family decided to do just that for the Dutch Perl Workshop... Which is on April 19 this year, so a bit more in the future. But they're adding a couple of days of The Netherlands especially for us. Nice people, huh, Perl people! I assumed that you wouldn't be able to offer funding until you had sponsorship. I thought that if TPF put up £5000 immediately then that would solve the problem. Then if commercial sponsors come forward you can return some or all of the money. The funny thing about many Perl people is that money is not too important for them. A lot of them put a lot of time in working, traveling, hacking, discussing... without any payment. Same for conferences. I did not yet receive one request for money to reimburse for travel and/or accomodation costs. If I get such requests, I know where to ask... My own company has done a couple of reimbursements in the past, so I know what i'm talking about. I've never been to Fosdem, but it looks important. Yes and no. I (and many with me) think it is important for Perl to show its face, its finest, its quality. We haven't been at Fosdem for many years (Fosdem exists since 2000). It is not to be compared with Oscon, it is not high-brow, slick, classy. Wanna see a mixture of office type people and your average family people with real nerds, like they are protrayed in movies, Fosdem is your place, much more so than Oscon. No classy lunch or dinner, no shiny handouts. It's different. So yes it is important for the image of Perl. It may attract more people. But it also shows Perl is not dead. And believe me, I heard the opposite way too often... All the best. Thanks.
