Re: what are you doing

2003-08-18 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 01:35:42AM -0400, Tara L Andrews wrote:
 p.s. No, I have no real idea what I'll do with a master's in Byzantine
 history.

Analyse massive over-complex legacy applications written in COBOL?

Oh. Not that sort of Byzantine. :-)

Nicholas Clark



Re: what are you doing

2003-08-18 Thread Joel Bernstein
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 01:35:42AM -0400, Tara L Andrews wrote:
 On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 12:41:49PM +0100, Michael Stevens wrote:
 
  What are people doing outside Perl/IT these days? Have you got
  a job outside IT because there's no IT work? Or are you learning
  something outside IT / planning to do something like this?
 
 What a perfect excuse for introducing myself.
 
 Hi, I'm Tara, I have heard all sorts of scandalous and suggestive things
 about this group from people like Jesse Vincent (and probably others.)
 
 I graduated from MIT with a joint CS/history degree, knowing full well
 that no matter what my degree said I'd find employment in IT.  Sure
 enough, I was a perl monkey at Akamai from shortly after graduation
 until last October, when I got laid off.  I have since been re-hired as
 a contractor, but in the meantime I thought to myself Well, if IT isn't
 paying me anymore, I may as well do something fun and interesting with
 the other half of my degree.
 
 So I'm moving over to that side of the Atlantic in a few weeks to get a
 master's degree in Byzantine history at Oxford.  I hope to meet many of
 you soon.

 -tara

 p.s. No, I have no real idea what I'll do with a master's in Byzantine
 history.  I am hoping that either the job market will have quit
 sucking,
 or that something appropriate will present itself.

You'll say to prospective employers I have a bachelor's degree from MIT
and did my post-graduate work at Oxford and they will metaphorically
move you to the head of the pile.

Well, it'll help, anyway. Just my opinion, of course.

/joel



Re: what are you doing

2003-08-17 Thread Tara L Andrews
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 12:41:49PM +0100, Michael Stevens wrote:

 What are people doing outside Perl/IT these days? Have you got
 a job outside IT because there's no IT work? Or are you learning
 something outside IT / planning to do something like this?

What a perfect excuse for introducing myself.

Hi, I'm Tara, I have heard all sorts of scandalous and suggestive things
about this group from people like Jesse Vincent (and probably others.)

I graduated from MIT with a joint CS/history degree, knowing full well
that no matter what my degree said I'd find employment in IT.  Sure
enough, I was a perl monkey at Akamai from shortly after graduation
until last October, when I got laid off.  I have since been re-hired as
a contractor, but in the meantime I thought to myself Well, if IT isn't
paying me anymore, I may as well do something fun and interesting with
the other half of my degree.

So I'm moving over to that side of the Atlantic in a few weeks to get a
master's degree in Byzantine history at Oxford.  I hope to meet many of
you soon.

-tara

p.s. No, I have no real idea what I'll do with a master's in Byzantine
history.  I am hoping that either the job market will have quit sucking,
or that something appropriate will present itself.



Re: what are you doing

2003-08-17 Thread David H. Adler
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 03:46:35PM +0100, Robbie Scourou wrote:
 
 I am planning on taking a Film studies course. Eventually I want to become
 an out of work Director or Screen writer who's sideline is IT.

Cool! That means I can claim to be an out of work Film Editor who
dabbles in Programming.

And here I thought employment opportunities were shrinking!

dha, still attempting to catch up after that whole blackout thing...

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Re: what are you doing

2003-08-15 Thread Ali Young
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Michael Stevens wrote:

 On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 01:39:16PM +0100, Ali Young wrote:
  I'm starting an OU maths degree next year. This is because free time is 
  patently evil and wrong and much be got rid of.
 
 Do you actually have any free time at the moment, though? :)

I'm about to gain a hell of a lot more of it, seeing as I'll be unemployed 
in 28 days time. Really must update my CV _now_.


 When I say No IT work,  like when I say There are no jobs, the
 slightly more serious formulation is There very few jobs, and
 massively fewer of them than there were 3 years ago. But, eg) most
 of this list has work of some kind. Even if some of us have sold our
 souls.

*twitch*

Ali

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Re: what are you doing

2003-08-14 Thread Shevek
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Michael Stevens wrote:

 Was talking to Paul Makepeace about his recent studies in the world
 of personal fitness, and started wondering.
 
 What are people doing outside Perl/IT these days? Have you got
 a job outside IT because there's no IT work? Or are you learning
 something outside IT / planning to do something like this?

I'm going to be a perpetual student, because by all accounts, I'm probably 
unemployable anyway by now.

S.

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Re: what are you doing

2003-08-14 Thread Lusercop
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 12:41:49PM +0100, Michael Stevens wrote:
 Was talking to Paul Makepeace about his recent studies in the world
 of personal fitness, and started wondering.
 What are people doing outside Perl/IT these days? Have you got
 a job outside IT because there's no IT work? Or are you learning
 something outside IT / planning to do something like this?

Poi. So that I can (apparently) run away and join a circus. (This is what
people suggest I should do when they see me practise). I am being serious
with the poi comment, though, as I would certainly like to spend at least
some time doing displays when I get a bit better. The comments about the
circus, however, remind me of the don't you wish you played the piccolo
when I used to have to lug a double bass around... *g*

-- 
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Re: what are you doing

2003-08-14 Thread Ali Young
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Michael Stevens wrote:

 What are people doing outside Perl/IT these days? Have you got
 a job outside IT because there's no IT work? Or are you learning
 something outside IT / planning to do something like this?

My usual answer for that is writing a book, but I've been saying that 
for quite a while now and not really got anywhere. Best not to ask me 
about it unless you're prepare to listen to me ramble on for hours.

I'm starting an OU maths degree next year. This is because free time is 
patently evil and wrong and much be got rid of.

I really hope there is IT work, since I'm in the process of saying goodbye 
to my current place of work.


Ali
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0777 32 96 156



RE: what are you doing

2003-08-14 Thread Robbie Scourou
 What are people doing outside Perl/IT these days? Have you got
 a job outside IT because there's no IT work? Or are you learning
 something outside IT / planning to do something like this?

I am planning on taking a Film studies course. Eventually I want to become
an out of work Director or Screen writer who's sideline is IT.

Either that or a course on Silversmith-ing, which my girlfriend spotted
before me. Cow.

--
robbie




Re: what are you doing

2003-08-14 Thread Randy J. Ray
On 2003.08.14 05:39 Ali Young wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003, Michael Stevens wrote:

 What are people doing outside Perl/IT these days? Have you got
 a job outside IT because there's no IT work? Or are you learning
 something outside IT / planning to do something like this?
My usual answer for that is writing a book, but I've been saying that
for quite a while now and not really got anywhere. Best not to ask me
about it unless you're prepare to listen to me ramble on for hours.
I've had precious little free time for ages. I've got an outline for a 
second book, an advanced-topics follow-up to my web services book (did anyone 
ever review that here? I'll want to link to it on the book's web page), but it 
needs revision before I submit it to O'Reilly.

Aside from tech stuff, though, I still maintain my interest in military 
history and building and painting miniatures. That's what keeps bringing me 
over to the UK (and the last such trip was what got me onto this list, which 
has kept me interested even here in California :-), though it looks like no 
trip for me this year. Lack of funds, lack of vacation time due to other 
committments in the year. Terrible shame-- the pub-meet was one of the high 
points of my trip last November...

Randy
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Re: what are you doing

2003-08-14 Thread alex
  What are people doing outside Perl/IT these days? Have you got
  a job outside IT because there's no IT work? Or are you learning
  something outside IT / planning to do something like this?

i'm getting my butt kicked at diplomacy (by the devious mr wistow, damn
his norwegian campaign).  we just started it's fun, if people are
interested maybe we could organise a londonpm game

oh and bowling.

um, or was this a work question?  /me wanders off.

al
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Re: what are you doing

2003-08-14 Thread Dave Cross
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 02:01:41PM -0700, Randy J. Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 I've had precious little free time for ages. I've got an outline for a 
 second book, an advanced-topics follow-up to my web services book (did 
 anyone ever review that here? I'll want to link to it on the book's web 
 page), but it needs revision before I submit it to O'Reilly.

Your book is in my books to review pile. Having delivered the final draft
of the TT book, I'm going to start working thru that pile, so expect a 
review in the new few weeks.

Which, I guess, answers the original question of this thread as well :)

Dave...

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