Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP vs. Embedded Linux OS Thin Client
I spoke to Gideon Romm and Symbio Technologies (www.thesymbiont.com) a while back and he mentioned having a product that would allow local booting of a basic operating system, which then provides a remote connection to a full operating system. I think it was able to use ssh, VNC, RDP, or NX (and maybe other methods). You could try asking them about it. -Rob Aaron J. Wood wrote: > Hello All, > > Here is my situation. We are a 10 (soon to be 11) store automotive retail > tire and service company. We currently have our own AS400 at our corporate > office that runs our point of sale/inventory/accounting system that is > networked to our retail locations via a dedicated frame relay network (Yuck! > Hate it! Too slow! Too Expensive!). The point of sale (POS) terminals are > currently dumb terminals (Computer Labs International ET2000's) that do > green screen 5250 terminal and printer emulation and connect back to the > AS400. I am in the process of researching options to provide better > functionality to our store operators. I would like to have the same > functionality that we have now (I have looked into tn5250) and add office > applications, email, and a web browser. > > My original idea was to replace the frame network with DSL/Cable internet > access at each retail location and establish Ipsec VPN tunnels back to the > corporate router and do PXE boot at the retail locations. Some of you read > my previous post about PXE booting via a VPN tunnel and thank you for the > help. Although I did get it to work, the time that it takes to download the > kernel and mount the file system eliminates it as a viable option. I am not > sure if reducing the kernel size will help, but it seems that the transfer > rate over the VPN is just too slow. So I am back to the drawing board. > Perhaps there is a way to eliminate the VPN tunnel for the boot process. I > am open to suggestions. > > I know that one option is to have a local boot server at each of the 10 > retail stores, but I would like to avoid adding that much hardware. I have > only recently delved into Linux and am learning things every day. My > question is about LTSP vs embedded Linux OS thin clients. What are the > pros/cons of local boot servers and PXE boot thin clients versus Linux OS > embedded thin clients. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. > > Regards, > Aaron J. Wood > Sun Tire Services, Inc > > > - > Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. > It's the best place to buy or sell services for > just about anything Open Source. > http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php > _ > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee, any disclosure, reproduction, copying, distribution, or other dissemination or use of this transmission in error please notify the sender immediately and then delete this e-mail. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free as information could be intercepted, corrupted lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard copy version. - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP vs. Embedded Linux OS Thin Client
Hi Aaron, On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Aaron J. Wood wrote: > I am not sure how I would do this. The current test thin client that I have > (1220 PXE for disklessworkstations.com) boots via PXE. I wouldn't know how > to get it to read the image off a flash drive. Would I need to use a > different thin client to boot from flash drives? I don't know anything about that thin client, but some computers can boot directly off USB devices (which can be located inside a case sometimes) and if there's an IDE port you can get an IDE <--> flash memory adapter, or just buy flash memory that has an IDE connector built-in (used in some appliance type servers). HTH, Jason - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP vs. Embedded Linux OS Thin Client
We have three terminals per store. I am now experimenting with USB boot. I found out that even the PXE booting thin client from disklessworkstations.com can be configured to boot using USB. Getting into the BIOS requires an F12 press instead of the typical F2 or del. I am looking at using 2X as the manager. I will keep the list updated. Regards, Aaron J. Wood Sun Tire Services, Inc. -- Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: "Sudev Barar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:10:36 To:ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP vs. Embedded Linux OS Thin Client 2008/6/20 Aaron J. Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I know that one option is to have a local boot server at each of the 10 > retail stores, but I would like to avoid adding that much hardware. I have > only recently delved into Linux and am learning things every day. My > question is about LTSP vs embedded Linux OS thin clients. What are the > pros/cons of local boot servers and PXE boot thin clients versus Linux OS > embedded thin clients. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. If the local stores only have one terminal then ltsp is not really going to work. Better do a boot using a distro like damn small linux (dsl can also be embedded) and then use vpn+rdesktop to connect to remote server??? -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: I know most of people do not follow email niceties (mostly they are not aware) but if you follow bottom post/in-line post style of email conversations it becomes a whole lot easier to carry on meaningful dialogue and you can snip out what is not meaningful too. Most people just hit reply button and top post leaving prior message appended uselessly at bottom. See if you can adopt this style and persuade others. - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP vs. Embedded Linux OS Thin Client
My Diskless Workstation terminals (LTSP 150) don't appear to allow access to the bios setup. The DevonIT and Symbiont terminals I have will boot from USB. Check with diskless workstations. There may be a way to configure the terminal to boot from USB. I think there is an option to install a small (2.5") drive in some of their larger terminals. Jason Aaron J. Wood wrote: I am not sure how I would do this. The current test thin client that I have (1220 PXE for disklessworkstations.com) boots via PXE. I wouldn't know how to get it to read the image off a flash drive. Would I need to use a different thin client to boot from flash drives? Regards, Aaron J. Wood Sun Tire Services, Inc 904-693-0990 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Chase Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:25 AM To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP vs. Embedded Linux OS Thin Client Can you take the images created by LTSP 5 and put them on local media (like a flash drive) to boot the terminal without needing to download the image over the network? Aaron J. Wood wrote: Hello All, Here is my situation. We are a 10 (soon to be 11) store automotive retail tire and service company. We currently have our own AS400 at our corporate office that runs our point of sale/inventory/accounting system that is networked to our retail locations via a dedicated frame relay network (Yuck! Hate it! Too slow! Too Expensive!). The point of sale (POS) terminals are currently dumb terminals (Computer Labs International ET2000's) that do green screen 5250 terminal and printer emulation and connect back to the AS400. I am in the process of researching options to provide better functionality to our store operators. I would like to have the same functionality that we have now (I have looked into tn5250) and add office applications, email, and a web browser. My original idea was to replace the frame network with DSL/Cable internet access at each retail location and establish Ipsec VPN tunnels back to the corporate router and do PXE boot at the retail locations. Some of you read my previous post about PXE booting via a VPN tunnel and thank you for the help. Although I did get it to work, the time that it takes to download the kernel and mount the file system eliminates it as a viable option. I am not sure if reducing the kernel size will help, but it seems that the transfer rate over the VPN is just too slow. So I am back to the drawing board. Perhaps there is a way to eliminate the VPN tunnel for the boot process. I am open to suggestions. I know that one option is to have a local boot server at each of the 10 retail stores, but I would like to avoid adding that much hardware. I have only recently delved into Linux and am learning things every day. My question is about LTSP vs embedded Linux OS thin clients. What are the pros/cons of local boot servers and PXE boot thin clients versus Linux OS embedded thin clients. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Regards, Aaron J. Wood Sun Tire Services, Inc -- --- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net -- Jason A. Chase Director of Technology Gould Academy PO Box 860 39 Church Street Bethel, ME 04217 P: (207) 824-7700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gouldacademy.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1510 - Release Date: 6/19/2008 3:21 PM - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net -- Jason A. Chase Director of Technology Gould Academy PO Box 860 39 Church Street Bethel, ME 04217 P: (207) 824-7700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gouldacademy.org/ begin:vcard fn:Jason Chase n:Chase;Jason org:Gould Academy;Technology adr:;;39 Church Street;Bethel;ME;04217;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Director of Technology tel;work:207 824 7700 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.gouldacad
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP vs. Embedded Linux OS Thin Client
On Friday 20 June 2008 23:28:11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Can you take the images created by LTSP 5 and put them on local media > (like a flash drive) to boot the terminal without needing to download > the image over the network? There are many ways to skin a cat. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch ie a fake live CD that contains an ltsp squash image http://www.livedistro.org/resources/documentation/howtos/booting-ubuntu-to-ram ie more hints and howtos Local boot from Flash USB or IDE Make a hard disk version first, then transfer to media. IDE flash is quick, boot access to USB is slow, but works. Boot from a usb-mem-stick is some 2 min, but then runs normally. You may also want to look at NX because of network latency ie not ltsp at all James - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP vs. Embedded Linux OS Thin Client
Right. If you don't need sound NX or SSH/VNC would be a good low bandwidth alternative for remote desktop software. - "Sudev Barar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/6/20 Aaron J. Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I know that one option is to have a local boot server at each of the > 10 > > retail stores, but I would like to avoid adding that much hardware. > I have > > only recently delved into Linux and am learning things every day. > My > > question is about LTSP vs embedded Linux OS thin clients. What are > the > > pros/cons of local boot servers and PXE boot thin clients versus > Linux OS > > embedded thin clients. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. > > If the local stores only have one terminal then ltsp is not really > going to work. Better do a boot using a distro like damn small linux > (dsl can also be embedded) and then use vpn+rdesktop to connect to > remote server??? > > -- > Regards, > Sudev Barar > Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. > > PS: I know most of people do not follow email niceties (mostly they > are not aware) but if you follow bottom post/in-line post style of > email conversations it becomes a whole lot easier to carry on > meaningful dialogue and you can snip out what is not meaningful too. > Most people just hit reply button and top post leaving prior message > appended uselessly at bottom. See if you can adopt this style and > persuade others. > > - > Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. > It's the best place to buy or sell services for > just about anything Open Source. > http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php > _ > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP vs. Embedded Linux OS Thin Client
2008/6/20 Aaron J. Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I know that one option is to have a local boot server at each of the 10 > retail stores, but I would like to avoid adding that much hardware. I have > only recently delved into Linux and am learning things every day. My > question is about LTSP vs embedded Linux OS thin clients. What are the > pros/cons of local boot servers and PXE boot thin clients versus Linux OS > embedded thin clients. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. If the local stores only have one terminal then ltsp is not really going to work. Better do a boot using a distro like damn small linux (dsl can also be embedded) and then use vpn+rdesktop to connect to remote server??? -- Regards, Sudev Barar Read http://blog.sudev.in for topics ranging from here to there. PS: I know most of people do not follow email niceties (mostly they are not aware) but if you follow bottom post/in-line post style of email conversations it becomes a whole lot easier to carry on meaningful dialogue and you can snip out what is not meaningful too. Most people just hit reply button and top post leaving prior message appended uselessly at bottom. See if you can adopt this style and persuade others. - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP vs. Embedded Linux OS Thin Client
I am not sure how I would do this. The current test thin client that I have (1220 PXE for disklessworkstations.com) boots via PXE. I wouldn't know how to get it to read the image off a flash drive. Would I need to use a different thin client to boot from flash drives? Regards, Aaron J. Wood Sun Tire Services, Inc 904-693-0990 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Chase Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:25 AM To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP vs. Embedded Linux OS Thin Client Can you take the images created by LTSP 5 and put them on local media (like a flash drive) to boot the terminal without needing to download the image over the network? Aaron J. Wood wrote: > Hello All, > > Here is my situation. We are a 10 (soon to be 11) store automotive > retail tire and service company. We currently have our own AS400 at > our corporate office that runs our point of sale/inventory/accounting > system that is networked to our retail locations via a dedicated frame relay network (Yuck! > Hate it! Too slow! Too Expensive!). The point of sale (POS) terminals > are currently dumb terminals (Computer Labs International ET2000's) > that do green screen 5250 terminal and printer emulation and connect > back to the AS400. I am in the process of researching options to > provide better functionality to our store operators. I would like to > have the same functionality that we have now (I have looked into > tn5250) and add office applications, email, and a web browser. > > My original idea was to replace the frame network with DSL/Cable > internet access at each retail location and establish Ipsec VPN > tunnels back to the corporate router and do PXE boot at the retail > locations. Some of you read my previous post about PXE booting via a > VPN tunnel and thank you for the help. Although I did get it to work, > the time that it takes to download the kernel and mount the file > system eliminates it as a viable option. I am not sure if reducing the > kernel size will help, but it seems that the transfer rate over the VPN is just too slow. So I am back to the drawing board. > Perhaps there is a way to eliminate the VPN tunnel for the boot > process. I am open to suggestions. > > I know that one option is to have a local boot server at each of the > 10 retail stores, but I would like to avoid adding that much hardware. > I have only recently delved into Linux and am learning things every > day. My question is about LTSP vs embedded Linux OS thin clients. What > are the pros/cons of local boot servers and PXE boot thin clients > versus Linux OS embedded thin clients. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. > > Regards, > Aaron J. Wood > Sun Tire Services, Inc > > > -- > --- Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. > It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything > Open Source. > http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php > _ > Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss > For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net > -- Jason A. Chase Director of Technology Gould Academy PO Box 860 39 Church Street Bethel, ME 04217 P: (207) 824-7700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gouldacademy.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1510 - Release Date: 6/19/2008 3:21 PM - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP vs. Embedded Linux OS Thin Client
Can you take the images created by LTSP 5 and put them on local media (like a flash drive) to boot the terminal without needing to download the image over the network? Aaron J. Wood wrote: Hello All, Here is my situation. We are a 10 (soon to be 11) store automotive retail tire and service company. We currently have our own AS400 at our corporate office that runs our point of sale/inventory/accounting system that is networked to our retail locations via a dedicated frame relay network (Yuck! Hate it! Too slow! Too Expensive!). The point of sale (POS) terminals are currently dumb terminals (Computer Labs International ET2000's) that do green screen 5250 terminal and printer emulation and connect back to the AS400. I am in the process of researching options to provide better functionality to our store operators. I would like to have the same functionality that we have now (I have looked into tn5250) and add office applications, email, and a web browser. My original idea was to replace the frame network with DSL/Cable internet access at each retail location and establish Ipsec VPN tunnels back to the corporate router and do PXE boot at the retail locations. Some of you read my previous post about PXE booting via a VPN tunnel and thank you for the help. Although I did get it to work, the time that it takes to download the kernel and mount the file system eliminates it as a viable option. I am not sure if reducing the kernel size will help, but it seems that the transfer rate over the VPN is just too slow. So I am back to the drawing board. Perhaps there is a way to eliminate the VPN tunnel for the boot process. I am open to suggestions. I know that one option is to have a local boot server at each of the 10 retail stores, but I would like to avoid adding that much hardware. I have only recently delved into Linux and am learning things every day. My question is about LTSP vs embedded Linux OS thin clients. What are the pros/cons of local boot servers and PXE boot thin clients versus Linux OS embedded thin clients. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Regards, Aaron J. Wood Sun Tire Services, Inc - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net -- Jason A. Chase Director of Technology Gould Academy PO Box 860 39 Church Street Bethel, ME 04217 P: (207) 824-7700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gouldacademy.org/ begin:vcard fn:Jason Chase n:Chase;Jason org:Gould Academy;Technology adr:;;39 Church Street;Bethel;ME;04217;USA email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Director of Technology tel;work:207 824 7700 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.gouldacademy.org/ version:2.1 end:vcard - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php_ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
[Ltsp-discuss] LTSP vs. Embedded Linux OS Thin Client
Hello All, Here is my situation. We are a 10 (soon to be 11) store automotive retail tire and service company. We currently have our own AS400 at our corporate office that runs our point of sale/inventory/accounting system that is networked to our retail locations via a dedicated frame relay network (Yuck! Hate it! Too slow! Too Expensive!). The point of sale (POS) terminals are currently dumb terminals (Computer Labs International ET2000's) that do green screen 5250 terminal and printer emulation and connect back to the AS400. I am in the process of researching options to provide better functionality to our store operators. I would like to have the same functionality that we have now (I have looked into tn5250) and add office applications, email, and a web browser. My original idea was to replace the frame network with DSL/Cable internet access at each retail location and establish Ipsec VPN tunnels back to the corporate router and do PXE boot at the retail locations. Some of you read my previous post about PXE booting via a VPN tunnel and thank you for the help. Although I did get it to work, the time that it takes to download the kernel and mount the file system eliminates it as a viable option. I am not sure if reducing the kernel size will help, but it seems that the transfer rate over the VPN is just too slow. So I am back to the drawing board. Perhaps there is a way to eliminate the VPN tunnel for the boot process. I am open to suggestions. I know that one option is to have a local boot server at each of the 10 retail stores, but I would like to avoid adding that much hardware. I have only recently delved into Linux and am learning things every day. My question is about LTSP vs embedded Linux OS thin clients. What are the pros/cons of local boot servers and PXE boot thin clients versus Linux OS embedded thin clients. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Regards, Aaron J. Wood Sun Tire Services, Inc - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php _ Ltsp-discuss mailing list. To un-subscribe, or change prefs, goto: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/ltsp-discuss For additional LTSP help, try #ltsp channel on irc.freenode.net
