Re: [luau] Proposed LTSP Server Config
Warren- As I am sure you are aware, most KM266 based boards are configured to be network-bootable. Have you had any real life success story in using a KM266 system (e.g., ShuttleX SK41G or MSI 6252) as a thin client? The reason I mentioned this is that, b/c of the salty air and lack of air-conditioning in many homes and buildings, our hardware deteriorates faster than typically in the mainland. It is a noble idea to make the best use of outdated computers, but some thoughts probably should be given to utilizing new but cheap thin clients. Wayne Warren Togami wrote: If the following happens... 1) About $3,500 of donations total for server and networking equipment 2) Get 30-60 prepared thin clients to the school 3) Setup their school similarly to Liholiho's configuration. With 30 machines we can convert a room into a computer lab, 60 could convert two adjacent rooms, all running from that one server.
Re: [luau] Proposed LTSP Server Config
Dwight, You need to come to one of our workshops. If you want to see some of the hundreds of computers or monitors that we at HOSEF has saved from the landfill and have waiting for your wife, please come on by. I cannot say that ours or any computer recycling program will fix our landfill problem, but every bit counts. With the help of the good folks at Pricebusters we have several thousand square feet of functioning stand alone and thin-client workstations. If you come by, and you can get your wife interested in one of our free classes or in spending some time with us at the workshop, we will give her as many stand-alone PII and PIII workstations as she can handle. Our only stipulation is that you or her spend some time with us getting familiar with the Linux Desktop. No technology is complete without training, and we try as hard to offer free training as we do to offer free computers. I have spent over 300 hours this year opening our workshop up to people like yourself who are ready to put the time in to learn more. Liholiho Elementary, The McKinley School for Adults, The Hawaii Agriculture Research Commission, Redemption Academy in Kailua, and St. John's all have functioning and free computers and printers that were once bound for the landfill and that are now serving these organizations and schools. As it stands, we have more computers than volunteers willing to help us give them away. Come down and check us out. We and our free machines are waiting on you. http://www.hosef.org --scott R. Scott Belford Founder/Chair/Treasurer The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation P.O. Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sunday, September 21, 2003, at 11:12 PM, Dwight wrote: I did some looking with Google and found the following info: http://www.electronicsrecycling.net/menu2/search/eiasearch.asp?state=HI This site provides information regarding electronics recyling on a state-by-state as well as nationwide basis. There are currently seven organizations in Honolulu that accept used computer hardware (primarily for reuse purposes). One is even hosted by the office of the Governor (i.e., Computers for Schools Programs). My wife is a teacher at Nanakuli High & Intermediate School. They don't have any budget for hardware or software (all of it is budgeted for the No Child Left Behind Act). At one point they were planning for a computer lab, but for whatever reason, it fell through. As a result, my wife got two power mac 5000 series machines for her class. Their tech dude is so backed up I went over and networked her machines for her. Both of these machines have about 16MB of RAM each, which means they are dog slow. Having some Linux boxes in there might be able to make the difference for her school and provide them with a no-cost lab that all students can use. However, her school doesn't have any budget for support either, so that would have to be provided by volunteers...I'm not sure how Linux-savvy their tech dude is. If our reps downtown can work on something for schools on the Leeward coast, that would be peachy. Dwight... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dwight Victor Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] Proposed LTSP Server Config This is exactly what I'm looking for. However, in my experience, businesses are catious of Linux primarily because of support issues...they don't believe they can find the kind of support that a Dell or Cisco can provide (or Micro$oft). I'd still like to know how Linux is supposed to address the landfill problem...all the old hardware that is recycled for LTSP etc. doesn't compare to all of the other waste we as an island produce. Dwight... On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Nakashima wrote: Just my opinion... From the public education perspective. Currently, schools spend the lion's share of their budget on new equipment from Dell, HP, Apple, etc., and on new and upgraded software licenses. My limited experience with LTSP has taught me: 1. Schools can spend less on new hardware and software (less money going out of the state); 2. Schools can spend more on local Linux support (more money circulating through our local economy); 3. Schools can use recycled hardware (less landfill material). I'm not sure if this is making any sense. Your feedback will be appreciated. Although my experiences are limited to what's going on in public education, wouldn't this also be true for private and higher education, government, business, and other orgs? On Sunday, September 21, 2003, at 04:09 PM, Dwight Victor wrote: I'm curious to know how Linux can enhance the local economy and deal with the landfill problem. Please elaborate.
Re: [luau] Proposed LTSP Server Config
On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 04:23 AM, R. Scott Belford wrote: Dwight, You need to come to one of our workshops. If you want to see some of the hundreds of computers or monitors that we at HOSEF has saved woops that we at HOSEF *have* saved I curse you, grammar. --scott
Re: [luau] sendmail patch
* Nicholas E. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [21/09/2003 1657EDT]: > It's probably worth noting that exim has a history of buffer overflow > attacks and/including root vulnerabilities. Some of that history is > very recent. > > Postfix sounds like a reasonable alternative to qmail, though I've not > tried it and cannot recommend it. I would recommend going with qmail, > as it is very easy to install, configure, etc. The qmail author is > against parsing (as he says it is an open invitation to security > holes), so he puts each config option in a separate file. I like > that. If you're using a modern filesystem such as XFS, you don't need > to worry about running out of inodes. http://cr.yp.to/qmail/guarantee.html At the very least, that entire page is worth reading by anyone who has any desire to run secure, reliable (even over NFS, ala LTSP), and fast mail exchangers: "In March 1997, I offered $500 to the first person to publish a verifiable security hole in the latest version of qmail: for example, a way for a user to exploit qmail to take over another account. My offer still stands. Nobody has found any security holes in qmail." If more folks were as commonsensical a programmer as DJB the Internet would be a much safer place. Regards, krjw. -- Keith R. John Warno [k r j w at optonline dot net]
Re: [luau] sendmail patch
Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... [ qmail ] ... > If more folks were as commonsensical a programmer as DJB the Internet > would be a much safer place. Hmmm. For those doing DoD work you know that the *best* way to secure a network is simply to unplug it (isolation) from the rest of the world. That is kind of what Dan did with qmail. He just went his own way with everything and doesn't care about playing nice with others. In 1997, I had trouble with qmail not accepting mail because it treated the left-hand side of the address as case-sensitive; that's what the RFCs *say* but practical experience says that human beings don't care about the difference between [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], and [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe the rule should be "accept liberally, send strictly" but that's my opinion. Dan disagreed. That's why we use the source. Don't get me wrong, qmail has its strengths, but it isn't a magic bullet. I had a friend who was head of the Internet e-mail team at AOL. I asked him about qmail and his opinion was *not*, to say the least, positive. Apparently qmail doesn't scale to the very, very big (e.g. AOL). That isn't an important factor for most people, but you made a point that qmail is "fast" and back in 2000, which was the last time I was working with it closely, it didn't handle large volumes of mail well. It's more of a personality thing (DJB's, qmail's and mine) than code quality issues for me. Having worked with sendmail, qmail and postfix, I prefer the latter. I haven't seen a CERT advisory on postfix; Wietse Venema wrote postfix with speed, compatibility and security in mind and I think he succeeded. Ken
RE: [luau] Proposed LTSP Server Config
Scott, This sounds great. Of course, we can't do anything unilaterally for the school...we'd have to go through the proper channels to ensure that things are done in such a way as to be supported by the school's administration. You know how it is in any bureaucracy...especially DOE. I'll get the ball rolling on this end by getting my wife and her school's tech guy interested...if things go well, we'll all drop by one day. Mahalo, Dwight... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. Scott Belford Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 4:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] Proposed LTSP Server Config Dwight, You need to come to one of our workshops. If you want to see some of the hundreds of computers or monitors that we at HOSEF has saved from the landfill and have waiting for your wife, please come on by. I cannot say that ours or any computer recycling program will fix our landfill problem, but every bit counts. With the help of the good folks at Pricebusters we have several thousand square feet of functioning stand alone and thin-client workstations. If you come by, and you can get your wife interested in one of our free classes or in spending some time with us at the workshop, we will give her as many stand-alone PII and PIII workstations as she can handle. Our only stipulation is that you or her spend some time with us getting familiar with the Linux Desktop. No technology is complete without training, and we try as hard to offer free training as we do to offer free computers. I have spent over 300 hours this year opening our workshop up to people like yourself who are ready to put the time in to learn more. Liholiho Elementary, The McKinley School for Adults, The Hawaii Agriculture Research Commission, Redemption Academy in Kailua, and St. John's all have functioning and free computers and printers that were once bound for the landfill and that are now serving these organizations and schools. As it stands, we have more computers than volunteers willing to help us give them away. Come down and check us out. We and our free machines are waiting on you. http://www.hosef.org --scott R. Scott Belford Founder/Chair/Treasurer The Hawaii Open Source Education Foundation P.O. Box 392 Kailua, HI 96734 808.689.6518 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [luau] Proposed LTSP Server Config
Hey Scott...Sounds like you been on da Island too long already -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. Scott Belford Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 5:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] Proposed LTSP Server Config On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 04:23 AM, R. Scott Belford wrote: > Dwight, > > You need to come to one of our workshops. If you want to see some of > the hundreds of computers or monitors that we at HOSEF has saved woops that we at HOSEF *have* saved I curse you, grammar. --scott ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] sendmail patch
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [22/09/2003 1320EDT]: > Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ... [ qmail ] ... > > If more folks were as commonsensical a programmer as DJB the Internet > > would be a much safer place. > > Hmmm. For those doing DoD work you know that the *best* way to secure a > network is simply to unplug it (isolation) from the rest of the > world. That is kind of what Dan did with qmail. He just went his own way > with everything and doesn't care about playing nice with others. In djb is quite a fascist, indeed, but I don't curse him or his software for it. Instead I applaud his efforts. OK, so he doesn't trust anyone. He doesn't trust stdio routines. His own programs don't trust one another. The Internet at large is simply not trustworthy to any degree; one -- or at least one's programs -- have to be paranoid and they have to play hardball or they are going to be broken by a 14 yr old script kiddie. The software goes to greater lengths than djb would care to admit to maintain sendmail compatability, with exceptions noted in TFM. If it's sendmail compatible, it's pretty much everything compatible. Right? ;-) > 1997, I had trouble with qmail not accepting mail because it treated the > left-hand side of the address as case-sensitive; that's what the RFCs > *say* but practical experience says that human beings don't care about > the difference between [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe the rule should be "accept liberally, send > strictly" but that's my opinion. Dan disagreed. That's why we use the > source. This case issue was fixed prior to 0.75 beta in 1996. 19960419 change: in qmail-lspawn.c, lowercased name before getpwnam(). really getpwnam() should do this, but oh well. and: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html#uppercase-usernames > Don't get me wrong, qmail has its strengths, but it isn't a magic > bullet. I had a friend who was head of the Internet e-mail team at I don't believe there is *any* such magic bullet, so long as human factors are involved. We're error prone, yes -- some much more than others, but none of us error-free. > AOL. I asked him about qmail and his opinion was *not*, to say the > least, positive. Apparently qmail doesn't scale to the very, very big > (e.g. AOL). That isn't an important factor for most people, but you > made a point that qmail is "fast" and back in 2000, which was the last > time I was working with it closely, it didn't handle large volumes of > mail well. My comments about speed were in reference to Bernstein's benchmarks, not my own. If AOL had a problem I wouldn't question it but rather expect it. Regardless, my original response to the sendmail patch thread was in a security context on this Linux mailing list. Linux is about all sorts of choices & hopefully those choices will be educated. I'm merely trying to spread knowledge when the opportunity arises and in that particular instance the message was "qmail is secure & sendmail isn't". > It's more of a personality thing (DJB's, qmail's and mine) than code > quality issues for me. Having worked with sendmail, qmail and postfix, I > prefer the latter. I haven't seen a CERT advisory on postfix; Wietse > Venema wrote postfix with speed, compatibility and security in mind and > I think he succeeded. I, like many, have had problems with sendmail. I did my homework & switched to qmail. No problems with qmail since (but I don't have a user base the size of AOL). If I had problems with qmail, I'd do more homework, and probably move to postfix, too. It's all about the homework... Cheers, krjw. -- Keith R. John Warno [k r j w at optonline dot net]
[luau] There Won't Be RH 10?
The news report is still very confusing (to me anyway), but it appears that there won't be RedHat 10: http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/22/1712227.shtml?tid=106&tid=110&tid=185&tid=187 Instead, consumers will have Federa 1.x, and business users RedHat Enterprise 3. I had been wondering how RedHat could support its market cap of almost 2 billion dollars if it continues its current way of doing business. Such a move (if my reading of the aformentioned event is correct) is indeed not only logical, but also inevitable. Supporting the consumer version of Linux takes extremely large amounts of effort, but has a very low profit margin, if at all. RedHat certainly has grown to the level where it no longer has to count on selling the retail packages for revenues. But a much bigger issue is about the Red Hat trademark. Because RedHat Linux is GPL'd, RedHat cannot stop other from repackaging, indeed RedHat encourages others to repackage, RedHat Linux. This then runs into the trademark problem. RedHat considers its trademark its most important asset. If RedHat continues to distribute the consumer version of RedHat Linux, sooner or later RedHat will have to come to bridge of having to sue those third party re-packagers. Otherwise, as a matter of law (for lack of due diligence in enforcement), RedHat will lose its trademark right. (Has anyone ever wondered why we can freely use the name "Aspirin", but not "Tylenol"?) First we had Mozilla/Netscape, then OpenOffice.org/StarOffice. Now we have RedHat/Fedora. Linux is evolving, not only technologically, but in terms of the way of doing sustainable business.
Re: [luau] Proposed LTSP Server Config
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Hawaii Linux Institute wrote: > Barbara and I live in the same district, and both of us are Republicans > (with a capital "R"). > However, we must realize that the current White House is shamelessly > pro-Microsoft, and Barbara is from a district wherein almot everyone > owns some Microsoft stocks. I am sure she will be very sympathetic to > what Linux can do to our State, but she also has to serve the best > interest of her constituents. This is something that must be carefully > balanced out when you guys talk to her. Wow! Her decision making might be affected by the fact that some of her constituents own M$ stock? I would hope the big picture (our state budget, economy and environment) would easily outweigh that. I might be way off on this, but the above shocks me.
Re: [luau] Proposed LTSP Server Config
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Dwight Victor wrote: > Actually, the original post mentioned that Rep Marumoto "asked for > another meeting so she could include computer savvy people on her > staff." I took this to mean that she wanted to have another meeting > so that her tech-savvy staffers could participate. That's exactly what I meant. Sorry if there was confusion.
Re: [luau] Proposed LTSP Server Config
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Dwight Victor wrote: > This is exactly what I'm looking for. However, in my experience, > businesses are catious of Linux primarily because of support > issues...they don't believe they can find the kind of support that a > Dell or Cisco can provide (or Micro$oft). I'd still like to know how > Linux is supposed to address the landfill problem...all the old > hardware that is recycled for LTSP etc. doesn't compare to all of the > other waste we as an island produce. Good heavens! I didn't mean that LTSP would solve the entire landfill problem. I meant that it would help put a dent in it. I should have said that, sorry for the confusion. As far as scant Linux support, yes. However, you gotta start somewhere. Due to the current DOE budget crunch, I don't think schools can wait. From a budget stand point LTSP is a winner.
[luau] fedora q's
I've been trying to understand fedora, but am still confused about a few things. The Fedora Project generates package management (install, update) tools, such as apt and yum? How are apt and yum different? yum seems to primarily for checking on updates for the currently installed packages, and updates those. apt seems to do the same things as yum, but offers the additional functionality of checking what other packages are available and installing those as well. That's what it seems like, but then that would make yum redundant, so I'm assuming I'm missing the bigger picture. You need to keep your system "pure", ie only use/install RH and Fedora packages? In response to a problem I was having with version issues between RH 7.3 and RH 9 ( that RH 9 has some functionality "dumbed down" to remove liability for distributing software that uses things like mpeg, etc ), Warren mentioned that the full user versions could be downloaded and installed using fedora and a 3rd party server. What 3rd party servers are availble? Is fedora a viable candidate for maintaining a systems security patches? For example, the recent openssh vulnerability, and subsequent security updates, is this something that fedora is designed to handle? Sorry for the dumb questions. I just don't want to make any assumptions on what the functionality is. -Charles
Re: [luau] Proposed LTSP Server Config
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Warren Togami wrote: > The landfill reference was originally talking specifically about > preventing many old Pentiums from going to the landfill, not anything > grander. This might have been a confusing point. The below is purely theoretical (not based on hard facts). I know it's over simplified, but it's just there to further explain the point. Buy new scenario: The DOE purchases 2,000 new computers every year and discards 1,000 computers every year. Hawaii businesses, military, government, etc. purchase 10,000 new computers every year and discards 2,000 computer every year. Landfill receives 3,000 computers every year. LTSP scenario: Hawaii businesses, military, government, etc. purchase 10,000 new computers every year and discards 2,000 computer every year. The DOE recycles those 2,000 computers for LTSP thin clients. Landfill receives 0 computers every year.
[luau] Fedora mentioned on Slashdot again!
So, there's a big post on Slashdot about how RedHat is taking Fedora under it's wing. Great job gang! Deven
RE: [luau] Proposed LTSP Server Config
Yes, your figures are completely theoretical. Most businesses purchase new computers every three years (or at least, from my experience...that's what we did), since the generally accepted standard for depreciation on hardware is three years. Usually the old stuff gets migrated to the edges of the organization while the new stuff goes to the PHBs. I don't believe the DOE purchases 2K new computers every year. Don't think you can count military in this as they are already recycling their excess to HOSEF as well as other organizations (i.e., schools). You'll probably need to dig up accurate numbers for your presentation to Rep. Marumoto, or at least provide solid reasoning for your estimates. Dwight... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nakashima Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 4:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [luau] Proposed LTSP Server Config On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Warren Togami wrote: > The landfill reference was originally talking specifically about > preventing many old Pentiums from going to the landfill, not anything > grander. This might have been a confusing point. The below is purely theoretical (not based on hard facts). I know it's over simplified, but it's just there to further explain the point. Buy new scenario: The DOE purchases 2,000 new computers every year and discards 1,000 computers every year. Hawaii businesses, military, government, etc. purchase 10,000 new computers every year and discards 2,000 computer every year. Landfill receives 3,000 computers every year. LTSP scenario: Hawaii businesses, military, government, etc. purchase 10,000 new computers every year and discards 2,000 computer every year. The DOE recycles those 2,000 computers for LTSP thin clients. Landfill receives 0 computers every year. ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] There Won't Be RH 10?
Oops, "Federa" should be "Fedora"--typos/grammars have become an inevitable part of our life in the internet stage--thanks to the cutting and pasting tools and the fact that our fingers do run faster than the neural bus connecting to our brain cells. BTW, there are actually two Fedora projects, one is being maintained by the University of Virginia and Cornell University and funded by the Andrew W. Mellon Foundation: http://www.fedora.info And the other is, of course, being maintained by Warren: http://www.fedora.us/index-main.html Needless to say, I am totally lost. Hawaii Linux Institute wrote: The news report is still very confusing (to me anyway), but it appears that there won't be RedHat 10: http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/22/1712227.shtml?tid=106&tid=110&tid=185&tid=187 Instead, consumers will have Fedora 1.x, and business users RedHat Enterprise 3.
RE: [luau] Proposed LTSP Server Config
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Dwight wrote: > My wife is a teacher at Nanakuli High & Intermediate School. They > don't have any budget for hardware or software (all of it is budgeted > for the No Child Left Behind Act). At one point they were planning > for a computer lab, but for whatever reason, it fell through. As a > result, my wife got two power mac 5000 series machines for her class. > Their tech dude is so backed up I went over and networked her machines > for her. Both of these machines have about 16MB of RAM each, which > means they are dog slow. Having some Linux boxes in there might be > able to make the difference for her school and provide them with a > no-cost lab that all students can use. However, her school doesn't > have any budget for support either, so that would have to be provided > by volunteers...I'm not sure how Linux-savvy their tech dude is. > > If our reps downtown can work on something for schools on the Leeward > coast, that would be peachy. When we first started at Liholiho, two months ago, I knew zilch about Linux. I still know very little, but we have a functioning LTSP lab (with HOSEF's help). Small world. I was the computer guy at Nanakuli Elem way back when. I know the tech guy at Nanakuli High and Inter. We're all in the same boat with zero budget. It's very difficult to run an IT shop with a zero budget.
Re: [luau] Proposed LTSP Server Config
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, R. Scott Belford wrote: > You need to come to one of our workshops. If you want to see some of > the hundreds of computers or monitors that we at HOSEF has saved from > the landfill and have waiting for your wife, please come on by. I > cannot say that ours or any computer recycling program will fix our > landfill problem, but every bit counts. With the help of the good > folks at Pricebusters we have several thousand square feet of > functioning stand alone and thin-client workstations. Also, feel free to come and see our lab at Liholiho. Just let me know when.
Re: [luau] fedora q's
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 14:35, Charles Lockhart wrote: > I've been trying to understand fedora, but am still confused about a few > things. > > The Fedora Project generates package management (install, update) tools, > such as apt and yum? apt and yum are generic tools which can download, install and update packages from an arbitrary source. fedora.us was one of many sources of 3rd party packages for Red Hat Linux. freshrpms.net is another. > You need to keep your system "pure", ie only use/install RH and Fedora > packages? That is not a 100% requirement, but Fedora could not guarantee compatibility with packages from other sources. Chances are however that maybe 95% of packages from elsewhere work fine though. The sign that says "we cannot guarantee compatibility" was more of a warning than a rule for users who want simplicity by avoiding breakage. > > In response to a problem I was having with version issues between RH 7.3 > and RH 9 ( that RH 9 has some functionality "dumbed down" to remove > liability for distributing software that uses things like mpeg, etc ), > Warren mentioned that the full user versions could be downloaded and > installed using fedora and a 3rd party server. What 3rd party servers > are availble? These are easily found with Google. Please do not ask me to point the way. > > Is fedora a viable candidate for maintaining a systems security patches? > For example, the recent openssh vulnerability, and subsequent security > updates, is this something that fedora is designed to handle? Yes, the old Fedora at fedora.us currently has all RH updates as well as updates for its own packages whenever they are released. The fedora.us project will continue operating for several more months while the new fedora.redhat.com project is forming. Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [luau] Help needed with Loopback Encrypted Filesystems
thx guys, that's what I was looking for. PS- Congrats to Warren & fellow Fedorians, today's announcement was quite uncanny! http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/22/1712227&mode=thread&tid=106&tid=110&tid=185&tid=187 Ho'ala Nicholas E. Walker said: > On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 05:03:32PM -0500, MonMotha wrote: > [snip] >> Nope, root doesn't matter at all. You *need* that crypto key. If you >> lost the key, there is no way to retrieve the data short of attacking >> the crypto (and twofish is pretty damn strong). > > Well, the only "good news" is that the twofish key is generated from a > much weaker password. It would make the most sense to attack the > password (actually it would make the most sense to attack the person > who picked the password, but I'm guessing that's not an option) - Spam & Virus Protection provided by Pau Spam: Risk-FREE 30-Day Trial* http://pauspam.net
