Re: [LUAU] Anyone got suggestions on low latency to the mainland ISP's

[808blogger]

Lava.net is currently using QWEST and TWTC: (lava.net was purchased by
Tri-net solutions and is still 100% locally owned)

http://bgp.he.net/AS18612

latency from lava.net core to mainland is <60ms .
the physical distance adds (about)50ms no matter what.






On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Brian Chee  wrote:

> I just got a question from a friend that's a super avid xbox gamer and is
> trying to find an ISP that has spent a bit of time optimizing their network
> paths to reduce hops and thusly latency to the mainland.
>
> I vaguely remember that Tony Q. and the folks at LavaNET used to do this,
> but is that gone now that the lavanet folks are gone? Is there any ISP's
> left that actually optimize their networks? UH can get to SF within 50ms,
> does anyone get those kinds of numbers on an ISP?
>
> /brian chee
>
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Re: [LUAU] Apps.gov -- A model for FOSS distribution?

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Am I missing something here? is the us government selling hosted software to
business/individuals? is this for us government only?

If this is for the "people" nothing good can possibly come of it. WTF who
would want to use  government computing services with FISA and the Patriot
Act in place, not to mention the EULA for dealers that the Cash for Clunkers
program required as a possible example of the rights that you will somehow
"automagically" sign away when you participate with the "UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA" in a business deal



On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:28 AM, John Montgomery wrote:

> Perhaps they should post all the available FOSS apps at Apps.gov as well as
> the commercial apps.  Especially the the ones listed here
> http://www.opensourcewindows.org/.  It is a government web site it not
> favor
> one solution over the other.
>
> John A. Montgomery
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Mike Gonsalves  >wrote:
>
> > I just stumbled on Apps.gov  after reading "US government takes leap into
> > the Internet 'cloud'" on Google News. The website is attractive and easy
> to
> > navigate. When I got to the list of applications and their price tags, I
> > imagined a similar list of FOSS that said "free" instead of $$$.
> >
> > It could make a really good distribution model for FOSS. One that would
> > appeal to non-techies who are interested in FOSS but intimidated by some
> of
> > the arcana in the FOSS world. I imagine a similar website for FOSS where
> > someone can browse through catagories similar to those on Apps.gov and
> > select software to download.
> >
> > Is there something like this already out there?
> >
> > ~Mike Gonsalves
> >
> > "Were it so easy."   --The Arbiter, Halo 3
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Re: [LUAU] list "moderation"

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+1

> You advocate stronger moderation, I disagree. Had there not been the
> reported "moderation" (censorship) on the HOSEF managers list would we
> be discussing this?
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Re: [LUAU] list "moderation"

[808blogger]

this is a joke right?


On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 4:05 am, Vince Hoang wrote:
> You just don't get it. I am not turning on emergency moderation.
> Instead, I will remove both of you from LUAU until you settle your
> differences. I do not begrudge either of you. I think you both want
> what is best for HOSEF, but your strong personalities prevent you from
> finding common ground.
>
> You idea of containment does not work in the Internet age. I tried
> keeping this venue open in your defense. By closing off both
> hosef-managers and LUAU, the disagreement will spill elsewhere, and
> likely where you will not be able to retract the discussion.
>
> If any subscribers disagree, let me know.
>
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Re: [LUAU] Hello - My Name is Scott

[808blogger]

>
> "..and how sweet it is if that packaged solution costs $0,
>
> It's harder to get "cheaper" than FREE (as in beer)."
>
>

It may be presumptive of me but, in my estimation everysingle one of those
computers is likely loaded with software and included incensing  (i could be
wrong) but everybusiness ihave ever worked with buys new computers with
operating systems. So all these machines all already loaded with free as in
beer software.

"You can't possibly "cheapen" the FLOSS community, it's already $0."

i disagree. i meant this in terms of value. pushing novel projects creates
an image of novelty not production.

"Actually, it is a long term strategy, the same one played by MacApple
and by Microshaft, who've for many years offered steep discounts for
school installations, in order to try to brainwash the next generation
into learning computers on their particular flavor, with the hope
they'd grow up to be consumers and corporate influencers who bought
what they learned on. So, HOSEF actually is doing a long term modality,
and maybe what you really want to see is something more focused on the
short term."

I wonder why there are not more apple computers in the business world? seems
like (ALERT ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE) the ratio of apple laptops on college
campuses FAR outpaces whats in the business world...
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Re: [LUAU] Hello - My Name is Scott

[808blogger]

REPOST- I sent from wrong address and it got trapped in moderation. sorry


I run 100% open source
I am a parent

Having nothing to do with hosef i'll chime in.
the hosef group seems ( by looking at the photo gallery and projects)
focuses a lot on hardware for some reason. This was made clear when
reference was made about the hosef listserver(the physical machine from
what I interpreted). Why the focus on the machines? Anyone can host a
list serve. I know for a fact multiple companies would host a hosef
server for free.
Hosef also seems to focus a lot on children. This is very commendable
but does very little for the long term effective goal of open source
advocacy. Hosef also seems to have a business allergy. Hosef should be
educating businesses how to leverage open source software to their
benefit and bottom line. When business start become useres and
understanders of open source the result will be more open source at home
and at schools. Hosef needs to be much more involved in the business
community. The for the children bit seems more like a novelty and
"cheapens" the image of the oss community. Moving machines and
installing ubuntu for kids seems like a very low level of operation.

Helping people make money with oss != evil

Just my 2 cents worth..



On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Jim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On Mar 26, 2008, at 5:03 PM, Angela Kahealani wrote:
>
> > what is the "right" alternative you propose instead?
>
> A fundamental refocusing of HOSEF away from eWaste and back to
> advocacy and education about Free and Open Source.
>
> Jim
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Re: [LUAU] the OSI is a danger to Software Freedom

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yet not one mention of the BSD license? hm
true freedom



On 8/26/07, Jim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The GPLv2 is an OSI-approved license, no?
>
> (GPLv3 is still being considered.  Of course, Microsoft's new "open
> source" licenses are also... being considered.)
>
> Jim
>
> On Aug 25, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Dave Burns wrote:
>
> > Sounds like it is bad news for the GPL too, or were you just lumping
> > GPL together with OSI?
> >
> > On 8/25/07, Jim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>  From the blog of the General Counsel, (pro bono), of the Open Source
> >> Initiative:
> >> http://lawandlifesiliconvalley.blogspot.com/2007/08/new-open-source-
> >> legal-decision-jacobsen.html
> >>
> >> Watch now as OSI licenses start to fall like dominoes before the
> >> assault of Microsoft and others.
> >>
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Re: [LUAU] Re: dangers to (Software) Freedom

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>
>
> Combine that with their one and only goal: PROFIT.


Evil profit BAD profit bad!


Corporations will kill us all and destroy the entire planet if it means
> a profit for them.


so the lack of corporations is better? like the communists ahh they have
been great for humanity


>
> Now, let's resurrect a little noticed factoid:
> For what, was Will-I-Am Gates "knighted" by the Queen of England?



Likely for the same reason PAUL MACARTNEY was knighted for show; I
suppose he is part of this big conspiracy also...
should I name other people that have been knighted as well...  this point is
irrelevant


>
>
> You say you'd prefer to leave those Flying Objects UNidentified...
> then think about the fact that it is not just the
> Military Industrial Extraterrestrial Complex and the
> Education Research Complex of corporations and black budgets
> which have factioned and are now in the final battle for control of
> Ter-Ra... this is also about who will remain rich and in-control
> throughout and after the process of our acceptance into the Galactic
> Family of space-faring races.


huh?.. i think i hear the theme song of startrek


Say what? The BIGGEST question facing humanity is:
>
> Will we join the space-faring races as a sovereign race?
> will individuals within our race have individual sovereignty?
> or will we end up individual or racial slaves of others,
> possibly those 13 Illuminati families who are the current
> representatives on Ter-Ra of extra-Ter-Ra-estrial "interests".



You've heard of the Mafia and the Yakuza?   Welcome to the Orion Cabal.


You cannot understand the reasons for things until you zoom out far
> enough to find the actual cause. NOTHING on this planet happens by
> accident. So, Dorothy, just follow the Yellow Brick (Au) road, wearing
> your Silver (Ag) Slippers to Emerald City where the GreenBacks live,
> and the Big Brother / POTUS is just a scary Matrix Feed to keep us
> under the control of the puppetmaster(s)...


Dang that star trek song seems to be getting REALLY loud now



So, if we REMAIN enslaved as we have been for thousands of years to
> FALSE "god"s, then "free" software hasn't a snowball's chance in hell.


huh?


>
> If you want freedom as a soul incarnate in a body, and you want that
> body to be able to use computers running empowerment software rather
> than enslavement software, then the world and we must choose that it's
> more important for everyone to have it good, (gee, perhaps because we
> ARE all one?), than for the individual to have it good through owning
> UNCONSCIONABLE Corporations which either:
> Profit From Usury
> or
> Profit From War
> (gee, why are "we" at war with the one religion prohibiting usury?)


ahhh yes... the greatest red herring of all well this is what they have
in store for you!

"It is not fitting, for the Prophet and those who believe, that they should
pray for forgiveness for Pagans, even though they be of kin, after it is
clear to them that they are companions of the Fire. (Sura 9:113) "

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never
will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of
those who have lost (All spiritual good). (Sura 3:85)"

Get your burkah and prayer rug ready!

or be ready to relegated to dhimmi status
these guys seem like our friends!

There is only one war going on on planet earth, the same one mentioned
> in Genesis as one of the false gods prohibited our enlightenment and
> freedom while another encourages it: What is to be the fate of
> Humanity?


So God  is a false god why are you mentioning him? How can a false god do
anything he would be false This is great logic


SOME of the godS who genetically engineered humans wanted us to be a
> dumb slave race.
> SOME of the godS who genetically engineered humans wanted us to be a
> sovereign race.
> Many of the souls NOW incarnate in the progeny of those genetically
> engineered bodies, ARE some of those ETs who created these bodies.
>
> If you can pull your head out of what you believe you believe (The
> Matrix Feed) long enough to contemplate this, you may see the whole:
> Regardless any other labels we assign to entites, and regardless what
> type body they incarnate into or even those without physical bodies,
> do we choose to live in a galaxy of:
> Obediance to Order (The (so-called) "light" hierarchy)
> Conflict and Chaos (The (so-called) "dark" hierarchy)
> Order Out of Chaos (The Illuminati / NWO), or
> Individual Sovereignty (Divine Beings)?



Now that star trek music is getting REALLY loud my ears might start
bleeding soon.


>
> Either inside or outside the court, $$ buys judgements (corruption), and
> that brings us back to the CURRENT equality of both flesh-and-blood
> humans, and UNaccountable Corporations, before the law, or in court...
> how can you wage any battle against corporations when THEY profit on
> the "money" you'll need to fight them with

Re: [LUAU] so much for OpenBSD

[808blogger]

well Keep in mind no other OS has even a close record  to what the
openbsd team has done. And dont forget that the ssh you use everyday is
written by the openbsd team, thats right. Theo and co. have done a HUGE job
improving security the unix world at large.

and on the topic of this particular exploit, you would actaully have to be
on the same physical LAN segment to use this exploit. this is a not an "over
the internet" hack that can occur

to quote from http://www.securiteam.com/unixfocus/5HP0C1FKUO.html

"However, in order to exploit a vulnerable system an attacker needs to be
able to inject fragmented IPv6 packets on the target system's local network.
This requires direct physical/logical access to the target's local network
-in which case the attacking system does not need to have a working IPv6
stack- or the ability to route or tunnel IPv6 packets to the target from a
remote network."


99% of users will not even have a a problem with this and
you dont even have to patch the system if you dont want to  simply put
'block in quick inet6' in your pf.conf

dont dump on the openbsd guys. their product rocks.

Sean

On 8/5/07, Jim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> and their over-hyped "security" focus.  They can't even behave
> responsibly when a remote execution bug shows up.
>
> http://www.coresecurity.com/index.php5?
> module=ContentMod&action=item&id=1703
>
> (Anyone else remember Clinton's "deny deny deny"?)
>
> They've now been forced to change their tagline to, "Only two remote
> holes in the default install, in more than 10 years!"
>
> (The previous hole was an OpenSSH exploit found by Mark Dowd in June
> 2002.)
>
> Gee, it could be, "OpenBSD: exploitable every five years, thus far!"
>
> they even won an award for their bad behavior: http://pwnie-
> awards.org/winners.html:
>
> ---
> Pwnie for Lamest Vendor Response
>
> Awarded to the vendor who mishandled a security vulnerability most
> spectacularly.
>
> OpenBSD IPv6 mbuf kernel buffer overflow (CVE-2007-1365)
> OpenBSD team
> The OpenBSD team refused to acknowledge the bug as a security
> vulnerability and issued a "reliability fix" for it.
> A week later Core Security had developed proof of concept code that
> demonstrated remote code execution.
> Read the full timeline and quotes in the Core advisory (above).
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Re: [LUAU] AMD 500 CPU

[808blogger]

check this out

http://www.freedos.org/

On 3/20/07, HawaiiDakine.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Aloha.

Does anyone know where I can pick up a AMD 500 CPU. (Cheap I hope).
There used to be a couple of Used Computer places on the Island but the
ones I know of don't seem to be around any longer.

I need to put together a FreeBSD box so a friend can run an old DOS
program on top of it. He needs this progam for his Printing Business.
And the company has long been out of business.

Last time I priced an older CPU I found I could buy a mobo and new CPU
for just a bit more. Is this still the case?

˜Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii

+ http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + [EMAIL PROTECTED] +
+ http://internetohana.org   - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* +
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Re: [LUAU] PHP/MySQL Code Generator

[808blogger]

http://sourceforge.net/projects/devphp/

However IMHO use vi. php is VERY easy and fast to write

On 2/16/07, R. Scott Belford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Is there a free and open source toll that can be used to generate
PHP/MySQL code? Someone has asked me about this; they want to use it to
build quick apps.

--scott
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Re: [LUAU] France Surrenders to FOSS

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why not give away free cd's of DSLinux?

thats significantly cheaper




On 2/5/07, Jim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


175,000 USB keys, $20 each, full of FOSS.

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/
French_kids_get_open_source_on_USB/0,130061733,339273416,00.htm

widget:~ jim$ bc -lq
338/175000
19.31428571428571428571

2GB USB keys sell for $22 or so, quantity one.

   There are about 1864,000 students in Hawaii's public schools
(based on the 2005-2006 NCLB testing report).

in 100K quantities, we should be able to get 2GB USB keys for $10 or
under, pre-loaded.

A full load of Ubuntu 6.10 already fits on a 2GB USB key with 1.2GB
free.   Plenty of room for files and other applications.

Thats a cool two dollars to equip every student in a DOE student with
a full linux computer that works wherever they go
(and yes, its possible to make it boot on nearly any computer that
supports USB, albeit sometimes into Windows first.)

Might be just the thing for Kuokoa.   Heck, we could sell em.Or
contract to provide service (specialized apt repositories to deal
with the language, calendar, ... stuff) at $1 each / year.

jim
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Re: [LUAU] From the Star Bulletin

[808blogger]

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty
than those attending too small a degree of it."
*Thomas Jefferson

*"It behooves every man who values liberty of conscience for himself, to
resist invasions of it in the case of others: or their case may, by change
of circumstances, become his own."
*Thomas Jefferson*


I understand the point  you make but imho compormises like these, small as
they may be, are not really in the best interest of the people.

better a neighbor with a cantenna blanket the park with wifi unrestricted.

to quote the brilliant dave mustaine of megadeth ;)
"next thing you know they take my thoughts away"

Sean

On 2/3/07, Vince Hoang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 05:43:47PM -1000, 808blogger wrote:
> sorta wonder how the city and county can actually get away
> with this? this is not very in the spirit of OSS , especially
> publiclly funded access. For this exact reason the government
> should stay out of brokering any level access for public
> facilities...

I think it would be fair to say that when compared to the members
of this list, the general public would prefer more perceived
safety at the cost of information freedom.

Would it have been better to be uncompromising on the filtering
issue and have the community say no to free wireless access?

-Vince
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Re: [LUAU] From the Star Bulletin

[808blogger]

sorta wonder how the city and county can actually get away with this? this
is not very in the spirit of OSS , especially publiclly funded access. For
this exact reason the government should stay out of brokering any level
access for public facilities...

possibly an analouge would be:

hosting an asterisk server thier to provide voip access but banning access
to certain DID's because the government believed those dids could call 1800
sex numbers or were believed to be used by criminals.

Its like we are assumed guilty  and big brother knows best

Better to not even dance with the devil in my opinion


Sean

NOTE I am a resident of ewa beach



And then there is this:


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom
of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,
and to petition
the government for a redress of grievances.

(Check Amendment IV while you're at it.)

Jim
(*) trust me, in the heat of argument, they will forget that you once
said, "but its imperfect".


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Re: [LUAU] University dumps Cisco VoIP for Asterisk

[808blogger]

I drank beers with the network designer for that setup during the recent
astricon, as I run a local "ITSP" (or whatever the heck they are called)
voip network that i have designed and built running asterisk. There were
many factors, for their conversion... The irony of the story is that they
were going to keep the cisco phones simply for the feature that they allowed
dual sip registrations (or a hot backup) to 2 distict sip servers. almost no
other phone does this, currently even the polycom ip650's (the top of the
line polycom with hdvoice) cannot even do this. I just love the irony of the
backend just vaporizing and turning into open source and the end user/phone
wont even know!!

asterisk is the next true killer application. I think its powers are very
understimated currently.


Sean

On 1/2/07, Jim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I just saw this at network world news and thought it might be of
interest.  Its a bit dated, and we all know that Hawaii is a bit
behind the curve when
it comes to technology, but perhaps this bodes well for the future.



University dumps Cisco VoIP for open-source Asterisk

Sam Houston State University replaces Cisco CallManagers, Nortel PBXs
with Linux-based VoIP and messaging servers

Some organizations consider taking the plunge off of big iron PBX
platforms into IP telephony as being pretty daring, but that's nothing
compared to what Sam Houston State University (SHSU) is doing. The south
Texas school is boldly moving thousands of users off a Cisco VoIP
platform to an open-source VoIP network based on Asterisk.

[...[

"We thought that it will be more cost effective in the long run to go
with an open source solution, because of the massive amounts of
licensing fees required to keep the Cisco CallManager network up and
running,"



Asterisk maker preps for growth with $13.8 million investment

By Tim Greene

Open source IP PBX vendor Digium is about to launch a calculated
marketing and packaging campaign it hopes will land its Asterisk
software and products based on it in the networks of carriers, large
corporations, small businesses and even consumers.


Jim

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Re: [LUAU] "YouTube is almost entirely written in Python"

[808blogger]

New to this list...

For those of you who love python

http://py-asterisk.berlios.de/py-asterisk.php


aloha,
808blogger

On 12/15/06, Julian Yap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


A recent post from Guido van Rossum, creator of the Python
programming language:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-December/070323.html

"And I just found out (after everyone else probably :-) that
YouTube is almost entirely written in Python. (And now I can rub
shoulders with the developers since they're all Googlers now...
:-)"

Python.org has a quote too:
http://www.python.org/about/quotes/

"Python is fast enough for our site and allows us to produce
maintainable features in record times, with a minimum of
developers," said Cuong Do, Software Architect, YouTube.com.


In case you thought that Python or dynamic languages don't scale
or that you've been FUD'd into believing you need to use Java or
.Net for the web.  That may be true in some corporate
environments but you're probably not going to get acquired for
$1.65 billion.

You can tell that a lot of YouTube uses MySQL and a hell of a
lot of database replication to cope with the custom queries for
different sections.  It's like, hmm, over hear it says 19,622
views and over here in the related box it says it's had 15,613
views.

Mind you, all of the major bandwidth for the videos is handled
by 3rd parties.

~ Julian
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