RE: [LUAU] apache security question

2005-02-10 Thread Jaymes Schooler
Good point about the robots.txt file...As for mod_auth_mysql...I guess I
should have used mod_auth_digest as my example to be more correct..

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On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 01:34:32PM -1000, Jaymes Schooler wrote:
> And Rightfully so...Being Paranoid that is... You may
> want to use something a little stronger for authorization such as 
> mysqlauth or almost any other authentication Scheme/Module...Also you 
> may want to include nobots.txt in any directory you do not want a 
> search engine to probe.

What portable authentication types are there besides HTTP authentication
and cookie authentication? If you are referring to mod_auth_mysql, I
thought that was HTTP Basic authentication with a DB backend instead of
a flat file.

A robots.txt file will only keep out good bots. Otherwise, it is fodder
for the malicious ones.

-Vince
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Re: [LUAU] apache security question

2005-02-09 Thread Vince Hoang
On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 01:34:32PM -1000, Jaymes Schooler wrote:
> And Rightfully so...Being Paranoid that is... You may
> want to use something a little stronger for authorization
> such as mysqlauth or almost any other authentication
> Scheme/Module...Also you may want to include nobots.txt in any
> directory you do not want a search engine to probe.

What portable authentication types are there besides HTTP
authentication and cookie authentication? If you are referring to
mod_auth_mysql, I thought that was HTTP Basic authentication with
a DB backend instead of a flat file.

A robots.txt file will only keep out good bots. Otherwise, it is
fodder for the malicious ones.

-Vince


Re: [LUAU] apache security question

2005-02-09 Thread Vince Hoang
On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 11:43:11AM -1000, Charles Lockhart wrote:
> So, we have a script or something that every time you create
> a directory in that secure directory, the script adds an
> .htaccess file, and the .htaccess file is used to enforce
> privacy, requiring a username and password to log in. I'm told
> that this should be secure enough to keep people from accessing
> the private area, and to prevent information from turning up on
> Google + etc.

You only need to enable authentication for the top-most directory
when using HTTP Basic authentication. All the subdirectories will
inherit the access. It is not _secure_, but it should keep out
the bots and casual lurkers.

-Vince


RE: [LUAU] apache security question

2005-02-08 Thread Jaymes Schooler
And Rightfully so...Being Paranoid that is...  You may want to use
something a little stronger for authorization such as mysqlauth or
almost any other authentication Scheme/Module...Also you may want to
include nobots.txt in any directory you do not want a search engine to
probe. 

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Charles Lockhart wrote:

> So, we have a script or something that every time you create a
> directory in that secure directory, the script adds an .htaccess file,

> and the .htaccess file is used to enforce privacy, requiring a 
> username and password to log in.  I'm told that this should be secure 
> enough to keep people from accessing the private area, and to prevent 
> information from turning up on Google + etc.
>
> So my question is, is that correct?  I have no webmaster experience,
> and very limited privacy/security experience, so I'm not setting that 
> up, our network admin is, but I figured I'd get a second (third, 
> fourth, fifth...) opinion.
>
HTTP Auth should be enough for a wiki.  I don't know anything about your

particular wiki, soconsider the flaw of HTTP Auth for yourself.  The 
session is handled entirely on the client-side (no specification for 
"logging off").  And the authetication can be passed in the URI/REFERER 
stings.  A funky browser behavior could, in turn send this kind of info 
to a foreign entity (google, etc).  But I may just be paranoid.

Tom
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Re: [LUAU] apache security question

2005-02-08 Thread Tom Gordon

Charles Lockhart wrote:

So, we have a script or something that every time you create a 
directory in that secure directory, the script adds an .htaccess file, 
and the .htaccess file is used to enforce privacy, requiring a 
username and password to log in.  I'm told that this should be secure 
enough to keep people from accessing the private area, and to prevent 
information from turning up on Google + etc.


So my question is, is that correct?  I have no webmaster experience, 
and very limited privacy/security experience, so I'm not setting that 
up, our network admin is, but I figured I'd get a second (third, 
fourth, fifth...) opinion.


HTTP Auth should be enough for a wiki.  I don't know anything about your 
particular wiki, soconsider the flaw of HTTP Auth for yourself.  The 
session is handled entirely on the client-side (no specification for 
"logging off").  And the authetication can be passed in the URI/REFERER 
stings.  A funky browser behavior could, in turn send this kind of info 
to a foreign entity (google, etc).  But I may just be paranoid.


Tom