Re: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-14 Thread R. Scott Belford
On Friday 14 February 2003 12:45 pm, LinuxDan wrote:
> Scott
>I will keep that in mind.  I didn't intend to "flame" but to
> inform.  I will keep in touch and as soon as we get to that point of
> needing help, I would rather inform you through personal email instead of a
> public forum.  I will try to locate your contact information or call you at
> Pricebusters. I just do not want anyone going to our contacts and confusing
> them on whose who.  I just feel I like the progress and do not need a bump
> in the road nor do I want to burn bridges so when a project comes up that
> requires both our efforts we can be on the same page.  Our financial
> donations are going extremely well but I appreciate the offer anyways.  If
> you happen to have any donated Cisco routers available I will glad to work
> out some sort of arrangement.  I am also trying out my contacts at Cisco
> whom I had working in tech.  When I recover fully, I may be able to help
> you out as well.  If our donation from the mainland turns out as large as I
> believe it to be, then we may be able to buy those routers outright.

That's great, Dan.  Please let it be known if your group ever needs any help. 
We do have a donated cisco router, but it is a bit old and may not serve your 
needs.  No need to work anything out; if you have a need for it, it is yours. 
Come by if you want to see it. Regarding contacting me, just go to hosef.org 
and there will be contact points for the organization.

aloha and regards

scott


RE: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-14 Thread LinuxDan
Scott
   I will keep that in mind.  I didn't intend to "flame" but to
inform.  I will keep in touch and as soon as we get to that point of needing
help, I would rather inform you through personal email instead of a public
forum.  I will try to locate your contact information or call you at
Pricebusters. I just do not want anyone going to our contacts and confusing
them on whose who.  I just feel I like the progress and do not need a bump
in the road nor do I want to burn bridges so when a project comes up that
requires both our efforts we can be on the same page.  Our financial
donations are going extremely well but I appreciate the offer anyways.  If
you happen to have any donated Cisco routers available I will glad to work
out some sort of arrangement.  I am also trying out my contacts at Cisco
whom I had working in tech.  When I recover fully, I may be able to help you
out as well.  If our donation from the mainland turns out as large as I
believe it to be, then we may be able to buy those routers outright.

Dan
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

On Thursday 13 February 2003 07:14 pm, LinuxDan wrote:

> I believe there are other organizations who would like
> this information so that they can request support or try and undermine
what
> I have worked so hard to do over the last eight months. Those who do a
poor
> representation of Opensource and give us a black eye as per a response
from
> the DOE. I would like to build a bridge, when the time is right, with
those
> who aren't renegades and burn bridges. You have someone in your group who
> has made a comment to the DOE and they know this person is part of LUAU.
> Its sad because there are some good people in the group.

Dan,

I want very much for our fledgling movement to stay very positive and make a
noble impact.  A mailing list is hardly the audience to denigrate our
objectives because of issues you have with a single individual.  I find it
very hard to believe that our State's DOE has advised you to have nothing to
do with the hundreds of members on this mailing list because of one person.
Regarding the first quoted sentence above, I assure you that I know of no
one
who "would like this information so that they can request support or try and
undermine what I have worked so hard to do over the last eight months."

I know that there are dozens of people willing to help the Opensource
movement in Hawaii.  I am sure that they would be happy to help you without
undermining you.  I offered you hardware and support back in November of
last
year.  The thing that neither I or the other list members know anything
about
is your organization so that we could help.

Must it exist in secrecy?  To be honest with you, Dan, it sounds somewhat
pretentious and a little insincere when you discuss all of your great
efforts
without any reference to your organization.  I know more about your physical
condition after you got hit by a car than I do about what I can do to help
you to advance our shared objectives.

I have deliberately tried to make my efforts to form HOSEF as open and
public
as humanly possible.  Perhaps to the chagrin of the list members, I have
nearly spammed us with updates, status, and opportunities to be involved.
It
is my intention for HOSEF to exist independent of the effects of any one
individual.  This requires openness.  I intend for it to be an institution
in
Hawaii for decades to come.

If you wish to continue to inform the list of your inititiatives, it would
be
fair and appropriate if you let us know who your organization is, how we can
help, or where we can send money.  The more you claim secrecy because of one
of LUAU's members, the less credibility you will garner from the esteemed
members of LUAU.  I promise you that there are people who want to help you.

aloha

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RE: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-14 Thread Nakashima
I'm a tech coordinator at my school.
I haven't heard anything about this from the DOE or from my 20 school tech
cadre.
Can you please contact me off the list with more information.
We'd be interested in what you're doing.

On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, LinuxDan wrote:

> Warren
>It's already a done deal.  Remember last July I
> asked you to help me setup a demo for the Lingle
> Campaign headquarters but you were busy giving a speech on the big island?
> Well thanks to the help I received from the mainland and a team of
> individuals who are experienced with LTSP and RHAS, we were able to put
> together a demo and have created a non-profit group dealing primarily with
> the public school system.  I have all the tech coordinators on
> a list here on Oahu and have been working on this project since July of last
> year.  I have had more time since being injured to talk with all the
> coordinators, DOE and have the support from three major entities here in
> Hawaii and abroad.
>
> I mentioned before that I support what you guys are doing but I didn't feel
> anyone back in July showed any interest in this so I just did this myself
> with other support.  I don't see a need to bring anyone else in on this at
> this time and don't feel it would be appropriate since I have already done
> the leg work.  This is a done deal.  I am even in the process of signing up
> some of the coordinators for training at CompUSA.  I have already spoken
> with some of the people doing the Linux/LTSP training.  If we need any
> additional support, I will be sure to let you know.  Since the applications
> were
> certified with this new version of RHAS no tweaking was needed.  Since last
> July nobody else from the group has setup the kind of donations, support and
> connections that I have done.  My point was always rather than debate or
> discuss issues that are non related to do something about it and I did.
> Regardless I still support what you guys are doing
> because Opensource is the only way to go.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dan
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> el.ics.hawaii.edu]On Behalf to Warren Togami
> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:37 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools
>
> LinuxDan wrote:
> > I have been working with the DOE, the state of Hawaii, CompUSA
> > (supporter), Redhat (supporter) and Oceanic (supporter) on the public
>
> > schools.
> > We have already geared up a demo to be presented to all the
> tech
> > coordinators here on Oahu.
>
> Eh... who is "We"?  You have been almost out of communication with our
> efforts of HOSEF so I have no idea what you're up to.
>
> I now have time to present to educators or anyone on any topic.  Just
> connect me with the audience and I will win them over.
>
> Warren Togami
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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Re: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-14 Thread R. Scott Belford
On Thursday 13 February 2003 07:14 pm, LinuxDan wrote:

> I believe there are other organizations who would like
> this information so that they can request support or try and undermine what
> I have worked so hard to do over the last eight months. Those who do a poor
> representation of Opensource and give us a black eye as per a response from
> the DOE. I would like to build a bridge, when the time is right, with those
> who aren't renegades and burn bridges. You have someone in your group who
> has made a comment to the DOE and they know this person is part of LUAU.
> Its sad because there are some good people in the group.

Dan,

I want very much for our fledgling movement to stay very positive and make a 
noble impact.  A mailing list is hardly the audience to denigrate our 
objectives because of issues you have with a single individual.  I find it 
very hard to believe that our State's DOE has advised you to have nothing to 
do with the hundreds of members on this mailing list because of one person.  
Regarding the first quoted sentence above, I assure you that I know of no one 
who "would like this information so that they can request support or try and 
undermine what I have worked so hard to do over the last eight months."

I know that there are dozens of people willing to help the Opensource 
movement in Hawaii.  I am sure that they would be happy to help you without 
undermining you.  I offered you hardware and support back in November of last 
year.  The thing that neither I or the other list members know anything about 
is your organization so that we could help.

Must it exist in secrecy?  To be honest with you, Dan, it sounds somewhat 
pretentious and a little insincere when you discuss all of your great efforts 
without any reference to your organization.  I know more about your physical 
condition after you got hit by a car than I do about what I can do to help 
you to advance our shared objectives.

I have deliberately tried to make my efforts to form HOSEF as open and public 
as humanly possible.  Perhaps to the chagrin of the list members, I have 
nearly spammed us with updates, status, and opportunities to be involved.  It 
is my intention for HOSEF to exist independent of the effects of any one 
individual.  This requires openness.  I intend for it to be an institution in 
Hawaii for decades to come.

If you wish to continue to inform the list of your inititiatives, it would be 
fair and appropriate if you let us know who your organization is, how we can 
help, or where we can send money.  The more you claim secrecy because of one 
of LUAU's members, the less credibility you will garner from the esteemed 
members of LUAU.  I promise you that there are people who want to help you.

aloha

scott


RE: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-14 Thread Frank
> I have to make sure that I do not
> lose my support. I believe there are other organizations who would like this
> information so that they can request support or try and undermine what I
> have worked so hard to do over the last eight months. Those who do a poor
> representation of Opensource and give us a black eye as per a response from
> the DOE. I would like to build a bridge, when the time is right, with those
> who aren't renegades and burn bridges. You have someone in your group who
> has made a comment to the DOE and they know this person is part of LUAU.
> Its sad because there are some good people in the group.
> 
Dan, this is strictly my opinion here.  I truely believe the goal should 
be getting open source and recycled computers into the hands that need them.  
I have never met you in the past so the only thing I have to go on is your 
recent emails which appear to indicate a very strong personal issue you 
have with something or someone.  You talk about 
the importance of not burning bridges, inside connections, and professionalism  
but you 
seem to be portraying the exact opposite in your emails.  Am I the only 
one confused by these mixed signals?   The volunteer work people in HOSEF 
have done with such limited resources is amazing.  Anyone who discounts 
this either has a different agenda or has an extreme prejudice or stereotype 
based on a past experience beyond the other HOSEF members control and is 
exploiting that for personal gain.  
None of these is best for those who should benefit from projects of 
this nature and it is not fair to those that have a true desire to 
provide unselfish help.  I am sorry I feel that way but I truely 
can not assume anything else at this time.



RE: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-13 Thread LinuxDan
Scott

People who have completed the LPI's and graduates from the UH BS in CS.
Also have acquired others who have been working on Opensource projects here
and there
on Maui. Military personnel, who are Unix/Solaris and MCP,  whom I met on
base while working on the NMCI project. I needed help before. I have made
commitments and guarantees of performance. I have to make sure that I do not
lose my support. I believe there are other organizations who would like this
information so that they can request support or try and undermine what I
have worked so hard to do over the last eight months. Those who do a poor
representation of Opensource and give us a black eye as per a response from
the DOE. I would like to build a bridge, when the time is right, with those
who aren't renegades and burn bridges. You have someone in your group who
has made a comment to the DOE and they know this person is part of LUAU.
Its sad because there are some good people in the group.

Dan

Other than you, who are the people and what is the certification?  It sounds
great and all, but some more information other than that you are also trying
to help schools may allow more of us to be involved in your efforts.  That
is, if you want help with your efforts.

aloha

scott




Re: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-13 Thread Vince Hoang
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 12:44:59PM -1000, LinuxDan wrote:
> So I do not want to cut our throats and will withhold that info.

This is an _open_ source forum. Why all the secrets?

The mailing list archives show no sign of you starting topics
describing your organization or making an effort to recruit
volunteers.

I only want to separate fact from fiction. I do not know what
your organization does. I do not even know the name.

> I have and inside tract with the DOE that nobody else has.

It does not matter if your DOE contacts would rather work with
you than HOSEF. What matters is that the schools benefit from our
[combined] efforts.

Regards,
-Vince


RE: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-13 Thread Gary Dunn
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, LinuxDan wrote:

>  Guys
>   To be honest, I have worked so hard getting the donations and the

Enough already. 

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Re: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-13 Thread Gary Dunn
Can someone please re-post the particulars for the meeting (time, how to
participate) with a new subject line? I will forward the announcement to
Marty Plotnik and maybe it will appear in tomorrow's Cyberzone newsletter.
My goal is not to get a bunch of new participants, but just to let people
know this kind of thing is happening in Hawaii.

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RE: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-13 Thread LinuxDan
 Guys
  To be honest, I have worked so hard getting the donations and the
support and have verbally been asked by one of my contacts at the DOE who
stated that a member of the LUAU group threatened to sue the state if they
didn't allow them to go in and setup an Opensource network.  I know who it
was and I am not going to embarrass them here because there is no point in
doing that.  But the DOE head does not want to work with this individual or
the group he belongs to.  So I do not want to cut our throats and will
withhold that info.  I have and inside tract with the DOE that nobody else
has.  I worked with the public schools in California and I didn't burn any
bridges like some people here have a tendency to do.  That is why they are
working with us closely here.

Dan

 On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 11:28:30PM -1000, LinuxDan wrote:
> You can check the CompUSA training site for any questions you
> may have.

Which site? The first two links I got when I visited the CompuUSA
Hawaii site were broken.

> All the people involved in this project are fully certified
> and well trained. I just didn't want to be doing anything
> conflicting to what your trying to achieve and visa versa.

Forgive my ignorance, but what _is_ your effort? Could you
explain to the list what your organization does using a _new_
thread topic? I scanned the pipermail topics as far back as July
2002, but could not find information.

Thanks,
-Vince
_
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 11:28 pm, LinuxDan wrote:

> I didn't receive any support on this the time I came up with
> this idea last summer (July) and had to wing it.
> Since my injury last December, I have worked on non-profit
> status in order to qualify for the support I now have.

I seem to recall several of us getting together many times to discuss and
plan the CompUSA demo we all helped with  I think it is great that you
continue to work on your non=profit status, and I hope that it does in fact
qualify you for the support you now have.  I am confused, though, Dan.  Is
it
productive to strike out on your own when so much more can be achieved if we
work together on these objectives?

>
>  All the people involved in this project are fully certified
> and well trained.
>  I just didn't want to be doing anything conflicting to what
> your trying to achieve and visa versa.

Other than you, who are the people and what is the certification?  It sounds
great and all, but some more information other than that you are also trying
to help schools may allow more of us to be involved in your efforts.  That
is, if you want help with your efforts.

aloha

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RE: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-13 Thread Dustin Cross
Aloha,

Is your organization a secret?  Nothing has ever been mentioned on this
list (the only open source technology forum I know of in Hawaii) about your
organization, until now.  It is great that you have done this work and are
supporting open source in Hawaii, but is sounds like you are being critical
of people on this list for not helping, when you never mentioned it.

Scott also thought things were not moving in a organized enough manner, so
he formed HOSEF on his own and currently has a warehouse full of donated
hardware, volunteers sorting thourgh the hardware, is talking to schools to
use the hardware, received non-profit status, and has a board of directors
now running HOSEF.  Sounds like you and Scott were working along the same
path, the difference is Scott kept everyone informed of what he was doing.

What is the name of your organization?  It would be nice if the two worked
together.  There should be no reason the two organizations couldn't remain
seperate but work together to accomplish the same goal. It sounds like you
have some good mainland support, where HOSEF has good local support.  HoSEF
is a non-profit, so the menbers should not be worried about a competing
group taking all the profits and there are a lot of schools to cover.  This
is evident from the fact that with all the schools HOSEF has talked to they
never heard of your organization.

P.S. - I am not a boad member of HOSEF, so I can not speak for them.  This
is just my opinion.

Mahalo,
Dusty




>Warren
>   It's already a done deal.  Remember last July
>   I
> asked you to help me setup a demo for the Lingle
> Campaign headquarters but you were busy giving a speech on the big
> island? Well thanks to the help I received from the mainland and a team
> of individuals who are experienced with LTSP and RHAS, we were able to
> put together a demo and have created a non-profit group dealing
> primarily with the public school system.  I have all the tech
> coordinators on
> a list here on Oahu and have been working on this project since July of
> last year.  I have had more time since being injured to talk with all
> the coordinators, DOE and have the support from three major entities
> here in Hawaii and abroad.
>
> I mentioned before that I support what you guys are doing but I didn't
> feel anyone back in July showed any interest in this so I just did this
> myself with other support.  I don't see a need to bring anyone else in
> on this at this time and don't feel it would be appropriate since I
> have already done the leg work.  This is a done deal.  I am even in the
> process of signing up some of the coordinators for training at CompUSA.
>  I have already spoken with some of the people doing the Linux/LTSP
> training.  If we need any additional support, I will be sure to let you
> know.  Since the applications were
> certified with this new version of RHAS no tweaking was needed.  Since
> last July nobody else from the group has setup the kind of donations,
> support and connections that I have done.  My point was always rather
> than debate or discuss issues that are non related to do something
> about it and I did. Regardless I still support what you guys are doing
> because Opensource is the only way to go.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dan
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> el.ics.hawaii.edu]On Behalf to Warren Togami
> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:37 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools
>
> LinuxDan wrote:
>> I have been working with the DOE, the state of Hawaii,
>> CompUSA
>> (supporter), Redhat (supporter) and Oceanic (supporter) on the public
>
>> schools.
>> We have already geared up a demo to be presented to all
>> the
> tech
>> coordinators here on Oahu.
>
> Eh... who is "We"?  You have been almost out of communication with our
> efforts of HOSEF so I have no idea what you're up to.
>
> I now have time to present to educators or anyone on any topic.  Just
> connect me with the audience and I will win them over.
>
> Warren Togami
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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RE: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-13 Thread LinuxDan
Warren
   It's already a done deal.  Remember last July I
asked you to help me setup a demo for the Lingle
Campaign headquarters but you were busy giving a speech on the big island?
Well thanks to the help I received from the mainland and a team of
individuals who are experienced with LTSP and RHAS, we were able to put
together a demo and have created a non-profit group dealing primarily with
the public school system.  I have all the tech coordinators on
a list here on Oahu and have been working on this project since July of last
year.  I have had more time since being injured to talk with all the
coordinators, DOE and have the support from three major entities here in
Hawaii and abroad.

I mentioned before that I support what you guys are doing but I didn't feel
anyone back in July showed any interest in this so I just did this myself
with other support.  I don't see a need to bring anyone else in on this at
this time and don't feel it would be appropriate since I have already done
the leg work.  This is a done deal.  I am even in the process of signing up
some of the coordinators for training at CompUSA.  I have already spoken
with some of the people doing the Linux/LTSP training.  If we need any
additional support, I will be sure to let you know.  Since the applications
were
certified with this new version of RHAS no tweaking was needed.  Since last
July nobody else from the group has setup the kind of donations, support and
connections that I have done.  My point was always rather than debate or
discuss issues that are non related to do something about it and I did.
Regardless I still support what you guys are doing
because Opensource is the only way to go.

Thanks

Dan
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
el.ics.hawaii.edu]On Behalf to Warren Togami
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 12:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

LinuxDan wrote:
> I have been working with the DOE, the state of Hawaii, CompUSA
> (supporter), Redhat (supporter) and Oceanic (supporter) on the public

> schools.
> We have already geared up a demo to be presented to all the
tech
> coordinators here on Oahu.

Eh... who is "We"?  You have been almost out of communication with our
efforts of HOSEF so I have no idea what you're up to.

I now have time to present to educators or anyone on any topic.  Just
connect me with the audience and I will win them over.

Warren Togami
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Re: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-13 Thread Nakashima
Hi Tom,
It's been a long time since T3.
Hope all is well.

Hi list,
It would be better to use the proper DOE channels.

Contact K. Kim head of NSSB Network Support Services Branch.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

There is also a state resource person in-charge of technology that reports
directly to the State Superintendent.

His name escapes me, but a quick call to the State Superintendent's
office should get you his contact info.

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On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Tom Donahoe wrote:

> Hi all
> As one who lurks on this list, and is an avid supporter of the project,
> let me share a resource that may help us find schools for the project. I had
> a conversation yesterday with one of the buildings' personnel at Mid-Pacific
> Institute. It turns out that his wife works for the Superintendent of the
> Windward district. (This would include schools from Waimanalo to Kaaawa,
> exactly the type of clientele the HOSEF project is trying to reach.) He
> wanted to know who to contact. For now, I've asked him to contact Mark Hines
> at Mid-Pacific Institute, since Mark seems to run into Warren more often
> than I do. For future reference, is there a number/contact for HOSEF that
> can be used for the wider community to use? This could help. Also, another
> thing might be to get past clientele to pass the word to other schools if
> they find the lab and service provided by HOSEF helpful (which of course
> they will). Hope this helps. Glad to know the project is going so
> swimmingly. :-)
> Take care all. You are fighting the good fight.
>
> Aloha
> Tom Donahoe
>
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Re: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-13 Thread R. Scott Belford
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 11:28 pm, LinuxDan wrote:

> I didn't receive any support on this the time I came up with
> this idea last summer (July) and had to wing it.
> Since my injury last December, I have worked on non-profit
> status in order to qualify for the support I now have.

I seem to recall several of us getting together many times to discuss and 
plan the CompUSA demo we all helped with  I think it is great that you 
continue to work on your non=profit status, and I hope that it does in fact 
qualify you for the support you now have.  I am confused, though, Dan.  Is it 
productive to strike out on your own when so much more can be achieved if we 
work together on these objectives?

>
>  All the people involved in this project are fully certified
> and well trained.
>  I just didn't want to be doing anything conflicting to what
> your trying to achieve and visa versa.

Other than you, who are the people and what is the certification?  It sounds 
great and all, but some more information other than that you are also trying 
to help schools may allow more of us to be involved in your efforts.  That 
is, if you want help with your efforts.

aloha

scott


Re: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-13 Thread R. Scott Belford
On Saturday 08 February 2003 09:34 am, Tom Donahoe wrote:
> Hi all
> As one who lurks on this list, and is an avid supporter of the project,
> let me share a resource that may help us find schools for the project. I
> had a conversation yesterday with one of the buildings' personnel at
> Mid-Pacific Institute. It turns out that his wife works for the
> Superintendent of the Windward district. (This would include schools from
> Waimanalo to Kaaawa, exactly the type of clientele the HOSEF project is
> trying to reach.) He wanted to know who to contact. For now, I've asked him
> to contact Mark Hines at Mid-Pacific Institute, since Mark seems to run
> into Warren more often than I do. For future reference, is there a
> number/contact for HOSEF that can be used for the wider community to use?
> This could help. Also, another thing might be to get past clientele to pass
> the word to other schools if they find the lab and service provided by
> HOSEF helpful (which of course they will). Hope this helps. Glad to know
> the project is going so
> swimmingly. :-)
> Take care all. You are fighting the good fight.

Thanks for the input and insight, Tom.  Hosef.org is a good place to start.  
It lists our PO Box, phone number, and provides an overview of what we are 
doing.  Our 501(c)(3) exemption has been approved, so we are a tax-free 
chartible non-profit chartered in the State of Hawaii.  Please direct 
anyone's attention to the website.  They can call the number and leave a 
message.  I can forward the information to Warren or the other board members 
as needed.

scott


Re: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-13 Thread Vince Hoang
On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 11:28:30PM -1000, LinuxDan wrote:
> You can check the CompUSA training site for any questions you
> may have.

Which site? The first two links I got when I visited the CompuUSA
Hawaii site were broken.

> All the people involved in this project are fully certified
> and well trained. I just didn't want to be doing anything
> conflicting to what your trying to achieve and visa versa.

Forgive my ignorance, but what _is_ your effort? Could you
explain to the list what your organization does using a _new_
thread topic? I scanned the pipermail topics as far back as July
2002, but could not find information.

Thanks,
-Vince


Re: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-13 Thread Warren Togami

LinuxDan wrote:

I have been working with the DOE, the state of Hawaii, CompUSA
(supporter), Redhat (supporter) and Oceanic (supporter) on the public
schools.
We have already geared up a demo to be presented to all the tech
coordinators here on Oahu.


Eh... who is "We"?  You have been almost out of communication with our 
efforts of HOSEF so I have no idea what you're up to.


I now have time to present to educators or anyone on any topic.  Just 
connect me with the audience and I will win them over.


Warren Togami
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RE: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-12 Thread LinuxDan
I have been working with the DOE, the state of Hawaii, CompUSA
(supporter), Redhat (supporter) and Oceanic (supporter) on the public
schools.
We have already geared up a demo to be presented to all the tech
coordinators here on Oahu.

If you all remember the Lingle Campaign demo I was setting up
around the time we had that CompUSA demo, I have already given the
presentation
and proposal and this will include the seven districts (school
boards approval) within the budget restraints.

I didn't receive any support on this the time I came up with
this idea last summer (July) and had to wing it.
Since my injury last December, I have worked on non-profit
status in order to qualify for the support I now have.

You can check the CompUSA training site for any questions you
may have.

 I am still supportive of any Opensource projects or groups out
there including the mainland, who has given us so much help since many of
those groups have
 already setup many of these networks in the public schools in
their respective states.

 All the people involved in this project are fully certified and
well trained.
 I just didn't want to be doing anything conflicting to what
your trying to achieve and visa versa.

 The tech coordinators will be trained on the new systems at
CompUSA.

 Dan

Hi all
As one who lurks on this list, and is an avid supporter of the project,
let me share a resource that may help us find schools for the project. I had
a conversation yesterday with one of the buildings' personnel at Mid-Pacific
Institute. It turns out that his wife works for the Superintendent of the
Windward district. (This would include schools from Waimanalo to Kaaawa,
exactly the type of clientele the HOSEF project is trying to reach.) He
wanted to know who to contact. For now, I've asked him to contact Mark Hines
at Mid-Pacific Institute, since Mark seems to run into Warren more often
than I do. For future reference, is there a number/contact for HOSEF that
can be used for the wider community to use? This could help. Also, another
thing might be to get past clientele to pass the word to other schools if
they find the lab and service provided by HOSEF helpful (which of course
they will). Hope this helps. Glad to know the project is going so
swimmingly. :-)
Take care all. You are fighting the good fight.

Aloha
Tom Donahoe



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Re: [luau] Friday night IRC meeting, Linux for Hawaii schools

2003-02-08 Thread Tom Donahoe
Hi all
As one who lurks on this list, and is an avid supporter of the project,
let me share a resource that may help us find schools for the project. I had
a conversation yesterday with one of the buildings' personnel at Mid-Pacific
Institute. It turns out that his wife works for the Superintendent of the
Windward district. (This would include schools from Waimanalo to Kaaawa,
exactly the type of clientele the HOSEF project is trying to reach.) He
wanted to know who to contact. For now, I've asked him to contact Mark Hines
at Mid-Pacific Institute, since Mark seems to run into Warren more often
than I do. For future reference, is there a number/contact for HOSEF that
can be used for the wider community to use? This could help. Also, another
thing might be to get past clientele to pass the word to other schools if
they find the lab and service provided by HOSEF helpful (which of course
they will). Hope this helps. Glad to know the project is going so
swimmingly. :-)
Take care all. You are fighting the good fight.

Aloha
Tom Donahoe