Re: [luau] Linux Thin Clients
I think you guys misunderstood or maybe I didn't explain well, I work for the local reseller, not for Nexcom. If you guys need to have the site modified you have to contact nexcom yourself and request the site to be modified to suit your preferences. sorry for the confusion. Julio - Original Message - From: Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [luau] Linux Thin Clients On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 20:22, Julio C. Gutierrez wrote: Greetings All. A few days back I saw this thread about linux thin clients here and it just came to my mid that there's a local reseller for nexcom equipment. I don't know how familiar you're with nexcom, but here's the address, www.nexcom.com. Unfortunatelly I work for this company and it doesn't seem right for me to advertise on this mailing list so if anyone wants to find out more about what nexcom has to offer, please contact me off list or call me at 831-0600 during business hours. Thank you and I hope that this is not taken as a commercial advertising or SPAM. Julio Your company's website seems to have severe layout and scripting problems with both mozilla-1.4b and Konqueror of KDE 3.1.2. The flash thing in the center either doesn't show up at all in Mozilla, or is scaled way too small to read. In Konqueror it overlaps with the boxes on the right. Konqueror seems to be completely incapable of clicking any links on the page too. When I attempt to navigate different links with Mozilla, many errors show up in the JavaScript debugging console. I suspect that your company's site is only comfortably browsable with Internet Explorer. Please encourage them to fix it. There are probably a few dozen people on this list that would be happy to be hired to fix sites to be compliant with standards. In attempting to surf the site I was unable to find anything that looked like thin clients, but I am curious to learn about ready-made thin clients hardware and pricing. Please contact me directly with direct links and more information. Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Linux Thin Clients
On Mon, 2003-06-02 at 20:22, Julio C. Gutierrez wrote: Greetings All. A few days back I saw this thread about linux thin clients here and it just came to my mid that there's a local reseller for nexcom equipment. I don't know how familiar you're with nexcom, but here's the address, www.nexcom.com. Unfortunatelly I work for this company and it doesn't seem right for me to advertise on this mailing list so if anyone wants to find out more about what nexcom has to offer, please contact me off list or call me at 831-0600 during business hours. Thank you and I hope that this is not taken as a commercial advertising or SPAM. Julio Your company's website seems to have severe layout and scripting problems with both mozilla-1.4b and Konqueror of KDE 3.1.2. The flash thing in the center either doesn't show up at all in Mozilla, or is scaled way too small to read. In Konqueror it overlaps with the boxes on the right. Konqueror seems to be completely incapable of clicking any links on the page too. When I attempt to navigate different links with Mozilla, many errors show up in the JavaScript debugging console. I suspect that your company's site is only comfortably browsable with Internet Explorer. Please encourage them to fix it. There are probably a few dozen people on this list that would be happy to be hired to fix sites to be compliant with standards. In attempting to surf the site I was unable to find anything that looked like thin clients, but I am curious to learn about ready-made thin clients hardware and pricing. Please contact me directly with direct links and more information. Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [luau] Linux Thin Clients
http://store.ituner.com/ituner/miniboxm100.html The above product is based upon the mini-itx motherboard and runs linux from the CF card just fineit's a really spanky nice machine.we're using it for research, but it's intended to be a mobile MP3/media player for your carruns off 12volts /brian chee University of Hawaii ICS Dept Advanced Network Computing Lab 1680 East West Road, POST rm 311 Honolulu, HI 96822 808-956-5797 voice, 808-956-5175 fax - Original Message - From: Jan Daniel Semrau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [luau] Linux Thin Clients Hi Dustin, funny I was standing at a similar junction a couple of days ago. I am currently more on the path of building them on my own. A low end Mini-Itx board (I heard runs Linux pretty well www.mini-itx.com) might be sufficient. But maybe I am terribly misguided ;-) Regards, Dan ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Linux Thin Clients
In that casethink hard about the mini box M-100 as your server since it can also be bought with a 2.5 notebook hard diskthis should survive the bumps of a vehicle. Then take a look at the medallion (www.techsol.ca) as a small workstation...the dev kit should do you just fine. Or just get your hands on some ipaqs (3500, 3600, 3700, or 3800 series) and change them over to the familier distro of linux.should be cheaper than most other embedded solutions However, none of this comes cheapdurable, shock proof embedded systems are never cheapprices don't start going down until you get the numbers up for a production run. One of a kind systems start adding up VERY quickly. /brian chee University of Hawaii ICS Dept Advanced Network Computing Lab 1680 East West Road, POST rm 311 Honolulu, HI 96822 808-956-5797 voice, 808-956-5175 fax - Original Message - From: Casey Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [luau] Linux Thin Clients Just to clarify, thin client refers to a dumb terminal, or machine where you control software locally, but it is actually running across the network on a powerful server. I believe you are thinking about a minimized computer for a car. The archetecture that I'm looking at is a server with 4 thin clients; one for the driver (to allow the playing of media and running of navigation software) and the other three to allow the other passengers in the car to choose their own media (radio, CD, MP3's). You will find many webpages about homebrew car media players, but the largest hurdle you will hit is keeping hard drives from crashing with the constant vibration of a moving car. You may need to consider more expensive flash storage to hold your media. Avoid as many moving parts as possible and it probably wont break easily. I have researched projects such as DashPC, but they only allow for one position (One position=one computer). Seeing as this would be a concept for a project car (looking to place system in an older car like a '64 Lincoln Continental), I'm looking to expand my options to allow people to serve their own media. I know about trying to limit moving parts, and I have also looked at ways of shock mounting harddisks. Honestly, it's just a project on paper now, and I'm looking at a project like this to see if it can be done, and done well. Kinda like mountain climbing: only good reason to do it is to prove it can be done. ;) Casey __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Linux Thin Clients
There is a discussion on K12OSN about thin clients. I just recently bought a diskless, fanless, computer from idot for $202 http://www.idot.com/TheStore/Desktop/734Spec.asp?Product.id=734Cate.id=19 it really works great -- Normally I buy Pentium computers from one or another of the local used computer stores for less than $50 If it doesn't have a pci nic then I have to add that I remove the hard drive and boot from floppy. they work great, but diskless fanless is so much better. There is also the Via EDEN mobos... The VIA boards worked great for us. I'm testing one from amer.com based on the via board, but the foorprint is too big, they are working on that. I bought 30 from KamCom for $350 including 17 monitors and optical mouse. He also built me 2 servers for $2500 ea. dual PIII, with 4 gig of ram, and scsi. Check with Brian at KamCom http://www.kamcom.com/; I be interested to hear what you decide to use. Michael Dustin Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED]@videl.ics.hawaii.edu on 05/28/2003 03:41:46 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:[luau] Linux Thin Clients Aloha, I was just wondering what is the least expensive thin client (everything from keyboad to monitor) a company can put together to use with something like LTSP? I have looked around and find NO inexpensive thin clients anywhere and X terminals are crazy expensive. It seems that I can get a low end desktop for the same price as a thin client. Planning a business around scrounging for used hardware is not a good option so I would expect to have to buy something. Thin clients seem to give me cost saving in hardware. The servers will cost more to handle the extra load. But it should require less admin work once up and running. Is this a fair assessment of thin clients in a business enviroment? Has there been any performance testing on thin clients compared to desktops? Something like how does Open Office run (i.e. how long to open to perform a complex operation) on a thin client with a good server versus a low end desktop (like a 1Ghz PIII with 128MB ram)? Mahalo, Dusty ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Linux Thin Clients
I'm using the New Internet Computer ($200 without monitor) that boots from cdrom. There is rumors of a ltsp image for it wandering aroundbut it boots a thin linux with browser and ssh and other toysnot super fast, but cheap and with the new cdroms (mine have the old slow ones) it's not too bad http://www.thenicstore.com/nic/ /brian chee University of Hawaii ICS Dept Advanced Network Computing Lab 1680 East West Road, POST rm 311 Honolulu, HI 96822 808-956-5797 voice, 808-956-5175 fax - Original Message - From: Dustin Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:41 PM Subject: [luau] Linux Thin Clients Aloha, I was just wondering what is the least expensive thin client (everything from keyboad to monitor) a company can put together to use with something like LTSP? I have looked around and find NO inexpensive thin clients anywhere and X terminals are crazy expensive. It seems that I can get a low end desktop for the same price as a thin client. Planning a business around scrounging for used hardware is not a good option so I would expect to have to buy something. Thin clients seem to give me cost saving in hardware. The servers will cost more to handle the extra load. But it should require less admin work once up and running. Is this a fair assessment of thin clients in a business enviroment? Has there been any performance testing on thin clients compared to desktops? Something like how does Open Office run (i.e. how long to open to perform a complex operation) on a thin client with a good server versus a low end desktop (like a 1Ghz PIII with 128MB ram)? Mahalo, Dusty ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Linux Thin Clients
Hi Dustin, funny I was standing at a similar junction a couple of days ago. I am currently more on the path of building them on my own. A low end Mini-Itx board (I heard runs Linux pretty well www.mini-itx.com) might be sufficient. But maybe I am terribly misguided ;-) Regards, Dan
Re: [luau] Linux Thin Clients
On Wed, 2003-05-28 at 20:47, Jan Daniel Semrau wrote: Hi Dustin, funny I was standing at a similar junction a couple of days ago. I am currently more on the path of building them on my own. A low end Mini-Itx board (I heard runs Linux pretty well www.mini-itx.com) might be sufficient. But maybe I am terribly misguided ;-) You're actually on the right track. Just make sure you get 100mbit nics that are PXE bootable. Warren
Re: [luau] Linux Thin Clients
--- Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2003-05-28 at 20:47, Jan Daniel Semrau wrote: Hi Dustin, funny I was standing at a similar junction a couple of days ago. I am currently more on the path of building them on my own. A low end Mini-Itx board (I heard runs Linux pretty well www.mini-itx.com) might be sufficient. But maybe I am terribly misguided ;-) You're actually on the right track. Just make sure you get 100mbit nics that are PXE bootable. Warren I am looking at using thin clients in the future for an idea involving media in a system for a car. It's still being thought out, and I was exploring the option of using mini-ITX systems and touchscreens for the thin clients. If you guys have luck using the mini-ITX setup, I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one interested in their use for thin clients. Please let us know how it goes. Thank you! Casey __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] Linux Thin Clients
On Wed, 2003-05-28 at 21:13, Casey Roberts wrote: I am looking at using thin clients in the future for an idea involving media in a system for a car. It's still being thought out, and I was exploring the option of using mini-ITX systems and touchscreens for the thin clients. If you guys have luck using the mini-ITX setup, I'm pretty sure that I'm not the only one interested in their use for thin clients. Please let us know how it goes. Thank you! Casey Just to clarify, thin client refers to a dumb terminal, or machine where you control software locally, but it is actually running across the network on a powerful server. I believe you are thinking about a minimized computer for a car. You will find many webpages about homebrew car media players, but the largest hurdle you will hit is keeping hard drives from crashing with the constant vibration of a moving car. You may need to consider more expensive flash storage to hold your media. Avoid as many moving parts as possible and it probably wont break easily. Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED]
