Re: [luau] SANs

2002-06-05 Thread Charles Lockhart
Thanks Brian,

Question, as I understand it, these arrays are typically set to RAID-0 for
striping across the drives, thereby increasing throughput.  Assuming this
is correct, do you know how many drives are required, or typically
required, for this?

-Charles

On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Brian Chee wrote:

 H.let's see how well this can be done in a nutshell
 
 SAN's come in several flavors, but the idea is that from a 64bit cards
 (yup...if you ain't got 64bit PCI slots, you're not going to get anything
 better than ultra160) you travel over a fiber optic path to either a switch
 or a hub.  Just like data networks a switch is a good idea if you have a
 multipath environment with multiple destinationsif you have but one
 server with one set of drives...then a switch is not necessarya single
 HBA (fiber channel comes 1mb/sec or 2mb/sec) to an elcheapo hub to the jbod
 (just a bunch of disks) is pretty inexpensive and gives you the terrific
 throughput that folks like about sans.
 
 Now iscsi and suchsame thing with a different name, different protocol
 with different amounts of overhead, etckeep in mind that if you wanna
 play your storage over IP...that you're paying for the IP
 overhead1gb/sec fiberchannel is faster than storage over Gig-ethernet
 due to overhead.
 
 Linux is supported well by qlogic and compaq is a relabeled qlogic card (may
 have changed...heard rumblings about emulex too).interphase had great
 cards (gib+fiber channel) but I'm not sure they're around anymore
 
 I've run qlogic cards in solaris, linux and NT...they all work wellbut a
 switch is necessary only if you're mixing several systems and have to carve
 up your array into several pieces.but if only one system and one set of
 drives (can be multiple jbods) then a hub is fine.  Emulex makes fine cards
 and hubs
 
 Oh yeahmost fiber channel doodads are LC fiber connectors over multimode
 fiberthose suckers are VERY expensive cablesyou can also do sans
 over copper which is LOTS cheaper, just change the gbicoh yeah, a
 gigabit ethernet SX fiber gbic is exactly the same at layer1 as fiber
 channel 1gig.they are interchangable
 
 /brian chee
 
 University of Hawaii ICS Dept
 Advanced Network Computing Lab
 1680 East West Road, POST rm 311
 Honolulu, HI  96822
 808-956-5797 voice, 808-956-5175 fax
 



Re: [luau] SANs

2002-06-05 Thread Brian Chee
I actually normally configure them for RAID5...typically 4 drives striped
and 1 drive parity.  However, I've also setup 3 drives striped and 1 drive
parity.  A little slower, but LOTS more reliable.

Now having said that, I've also done nutso and went crazy once and did a
mirrored RAID5 across two jbods...but this was a financial system that was
logging fund transfersso I figured we should be paranoid about it.
Can't remember what it was, but I think some folks call it RAID10.

/brian chee

University of Hawaii ICS Dept
Advanced Network Computing Lab
1680 East West Road, POST rm 311
Honolulu, HI  96822
808-956-5797 voice, 808-956-5175 fax

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From: Charles Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [luau] SANs



 Thanks Brian,

 Question, as I understand it, these arrays are typically set to RAID-0 for
 striping across the drives, thereby increasing throughput.  Assuming this
 is correct, do you know how many drives are required, or typically
 required, for this?

 -Charles

 On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Brian Chee wrote:

  H.let's see how well this can be done in a nutshell
 
  SAN's come in several flavors, but the idea is that from a 64bit cards
  (yup...if you ain't got 64bit PCI slots, you're not going to get
anything
  better than ultra160) you travel over a fiber optic path to either a
switch
  or a hub.  Just like data networks a switch is a good idea if you have a
  multipath environment with multiple destinationsif you have but one
  server with one set of drives...then a switch is not necessarya
single
  HBA (fiber channel comes 1mb/sec or 2mb/sec) to an elcheapo hub to the
jbod
  (just a bunch of disks) is pretty inexpensive and gives you the terrific
  throughput that folks like about sans.
 
  Now iscsi and suchsame thing with a different name, different
protocol
  with different amounts of overhead, etckeep in mind that if you
wanna
  play your storage over IP...that you're paying for the IP
  overhead1gb/sec fiberchannel is faster than storage over
Gig-ethernet
  due to overhead.
 
  Linux is supported well by qlogic and compaq is a relabeled qlogic card
(may
  have changed...heard rumblings about emulex too).interphase had
great
  cards (gib+fiber channel) but I'm not sure they're around anymore
 
  I've run qlogic cards in solaris, linux and NT...they all work
wellbut a
  switch is necessary only if you're mixing several systems and have to
carve
  up your array into several pieces.but if only one system and one set
of
  drives (can be multiple jbods) then a hub is fine.  Emulex makes fine
cards
  and hubs
 
  Oh yeahmost fiber channel doodads are LC fiber connectors over
multimode
  fiberthose suckers are VERY expensive cablesyou can also do sans
  over copper which is LOTS cheaper, just change the gbicoh yeah, a
  gigabit ethernet SX fiber gbic is exactly the same at layer1 as fiber
  channel 1gig.they are interchangable
 
  /brian chee
 
  University of Hawaii ICS Dept
  Advanced Network Computing Lab
  1680 East West Road, POST rm 311
  Honolulu, HI  96822
  808-956-5797 voice, 808-956-5175 fax
 

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