Re: [luau] fedora q's
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 09:47, Vince Hoang wrote: > > To be honest, I found Warren's response to be fairly arrogant. > > "These are easily found with Google. Please do not ask me to > > point the way." Maybe I'm just reading it wrong, but I really > > just didn't apreciate the attitude. > > Wrong delivery. > Usually I realize giving URLs is the only useful way of giving information. I also apologize for the totally wrong sounding delivery. That was a wholly failed attempt of being intentionally vague for risk aversion purposes. Warren
Re: [luau] fedora q's
> > I have been trying to get the apt/yum/synaptic stuff I > > installed from fedora to work with freshrpms, but to no avail. > > I don't know what the incompatibility is, or if it's just > > something I'm being stupid about. > > You may have foo'd the freshrpm target in your sources.list I don't know if there is copy of a sources.list for freshrpms on a local server, but here is a link to one at freshrpms: http://freshrpms.net/packages/builds/apt/sources.list.i386 Also I don't know if there is local server that has as an comparable rpm repository, because I use the freshrpms site. Steve
Re: [luau] fedora q's
> To be honest, I found Warren's response to be fairly arrogant. Yeah, that's Warren. He knows his stuff, but can sometimes be annoying. I try to just ignore it. It would be nice if someone could knock some sense into him, but so far I'd say they just end up in a flame war with him & he stays the same. There's usually someone else on the list who is perfectly willing to answer questions, no matter what. Dave
Re: [luau] fedora q's
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 09:06:46AM -1000, Charles Lockhart wrote: > I looked at the fedora mirror list already, but it seems to > me that's a list of mirrors for fedora, which doesn't have > the packages I was looking for. Of course, I could be very > wrong, but the ones I checked certainly seemed to have the same > content as the local fedora server. Ah. I get it now. I misundertood your question. You wanted more 3rd party packages that are not offered by fedora and freshrpms. To me, servers for both projects are (were?) 3rd party servers. Fedora and the freshrpms mirrors are the only ones I use. There may be other trustworthy servers, but I would not stray too far. > But while it did help me to get apt/yum installed and my stuff > already loaded updated just fine, more or less, it didn't tell > me anything about 3rd party servers. I'd like to try to load a > working version of xine, for instance. I see xine offered by freshrpms. http://freshrpms.net/apt/repositories.html > I have been trying to get the apt/yum/synaptic stuff I > installed from fedora to work with freshrpms, but to no avail. > I don't know what the incompatibility is, or if it's just > something I'm being stupid about. You may have foo'd the freshrpm target in your sources.list. > To be honest, I found Warren's response to be fairly arrogant. > "These are easily found with Google. Please do not ask me to > point the way." Maybe I'm just reading it wrong, but I really > just didn't apreciate the attitude. Wrong delivery. -Vince
Re: [luau] fedora q's
Hi Vince, Probably it's me missing the big picture, or maybe a bunch of smaller pictures, but: Warren said that these other packages I was interested were available via apt/yum from 3rd party servers. I guess that meant to me that they aren't available from fedora or redhat, but were available somewhere else. I looked at the fedora mirror list already, but it seems to me that's a list of mirrors for fedora, which doesn't have the packages I was looking for. Of course, I could be very wrong, but the ones I checked certainly seemed to have the same content as the local fedora server. I'd already read the HOWTO, which is how I downloaded and started using apt and yum. Which, by the way, are just awesome. I mean, really, really awesome. My fingers are tingling at this potential I've stumbled across (which, apparently, the rest of the world has known about for some time). But while it did help me to get apt/yum installed and my stuff already loaded updated just fine, more or less, it didn't tell me anything about 3rd party servers. I'd like to try to load a working version of xine, for instance. I have been trying to get the apt/yum/synaptic stuff I installed from fedora to work with freshrpms, but to no avail. I don't know what the incompatibility is, or if it's just something I'm being stupid about. Also, was I being a total knob or something? As a computer guy, the first thing I try to do is to figure it out, then start searching for info on the web via google and others, then try to figure it out again. Then, if everything fails, I finally decide that I need to buck up and confess my ignorance to an entire community of other computer people. To be honest, I found Warren's response to be fairly arrogant. "These are easily found with Google. Please do not ask me to point the way." Maybe I'm just reading it wrong, but I really just didn't apreciate the attitude. Uh, starting to rant, need to stop now. Thanks, -Charles Vince Hoang wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 07:55:10AM -1000, Charles Lockhart wrote: In response to a problem I was having with version issues between RH 7.3 and RH 9 ( that RH 9 has some functionality "dumbed down" to remove liability for distributing software that uses things like mpeg, etc ), Warren mentioned that the full user versions could be downloaded and installed using fedora and a 3rd party server. What 3rd party servers are availble? These are easily found with Google. Please do not ask me to point the way. Well, not so easy for me. I'd already tried google, but the results were too ambiguous. I'm probably phrasing the question to google wrong, but I'm new to this apt/yum thing, so it's difficult to work past that. http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraHOWTO http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraMirrorList
Re: [luau] fedora q's
On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 07:55, Charles Lockhart wrote: > Warren Togami wrote: > > apt and yum are generic tools which can download, install and update > > packages from an arbitrary source. fedora.us was one of many sources of > > 3rd party packages for Red Hat Linux. freshrpms.net is another. > > Ah, I see, that makes sense. I need to get out more. > > > That is not a 100% requirement, but Fedora could not guarantee > > compatibility with packages from other sources. Chances are however > > that maybe 95% of packages from elsewhere work fine though. > > > > The sign that says "we cannot guarantee compatibility" was more of a > > warning than a rule for users who want simplicity by avoiding breakage. > > I was confused by an article I read where the user pretty much gave up > because of errors. I tested it on my machine, no problems, so I see > what you mean. If you are referring to Joe Barr's article and the conflict with Ximian, that is a long standing issue with Ximian where many months ago they released XD2 for RH9 in such a way that totally breaks apt. Despite a large amount of complaints and even admission that it was their fault, they haven't fixed the situation yet. We were a bit disappointed that Joe Barr, a well respected OSS columnist gave up so easily on that article too. yum still works with Ximian though. Warren
Re: [luau] fedora q's
On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 07:55:10AM -1000, Charles Lockhart wrote: > >>In response to a problem I was having with version issues > >>between RH 7.3 and RH 9 ( that RH 9 has some functionality > >>"dumbed down" to remove liability for distributing software > >>that uses things like mpeg, etc ), Warren mentioned that the > >>full user versions could be downloaded and installed using > >>fedora and a 3rd party server. What 3rd party servers are > >>availble? > > > >These are easily found with Google. Please do not ask me to > >point the way. > > Well, not so easy for me. I'd already tried google, but the > results were too ambiguous. I'm probably phrasing the question > to google wrong, but I'm new to this apt/yum thing, so it's > difficult to work past that. http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraHOWTO http://www.fedora.us/wiki/FedoraMirrorList > >Yes, the old Fedora at fedora.us currently has all RH updates > >as well as updates for its own packages whenever they are > >released. The fedora.us project will continue operating for > >several more months while the new fedora.redhat.com project is > >forming. I guess by then we will know whether it is Red Hat that consumed Fedora or the other way around. :) I do like that RH is moving in a direction similiar to Debian's efforts. My nit is the market speak on RH's fedora site that asked more questions that answered. -Vince
Re: [luau] fedora q's
Warren Togami wrote: apt and yum are generic tools which can download, install and update packages from an arbitrary source. fedora.us was one of many sources of 3rd party packages for Red Hat Linux. freshrpms.net is another. Ah, I see, that makes sense. I need to get out more. That is not a 100% requirement, but Fedora could not guarantee compatibility with packages from other sources. Chances are however that maybe 95% of packages from elsewhere work fine though. The sign that says "we cannot guarantee compatibility" was more of a warning than a rule for users who want simplicity by avoiding breakage. I was confused by an article I read where the user pretty much gave up because of errors. I tested it on my machine, no problems, so I see what you mean. In response to a problem I was having with version issues between RH 7.3 and RH 9 ( that RH 9 has some functionality "dumbed down" to remove liability for distributing software that uses things like mpeg, etc ), Warren mentioned that the full user versions could be downloaded and installed using fedora and a 3rd party server. What 3rd party servers are availble? These are easily found with Google. Please do not ask me to point the way. Well, not so easy for me. I'd already tried google, but the results were too ambiguous. I'm probably phrasing the question to google wrong, but I'm new to this apt/yum thing, so it's difficult to work past that. Yes, the old Fedora at fedora.us currently has all RH updates as well as updates for its own packages whenever they are released. The fedora.us project will continue operating for several more months while the new fedora.redhat.com project is forming. Sweet. Thanks for your time, -Charles
Re: [luau] fedora q's
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 14:35, Charles Lockhart wrote: > I've been trying to understand fedora, but am still confused about a few > things. > > The Fedora Project generates package management (install, update) tools, > such as apt and yum? apt and yum are generic tools which can download, install and update packages from an arbitrary source. fedora.us was one of many sources of 3rd party packages for Red Hat Linux. freshrpms.net is another. > You need to keep your system "pure", ie only use/install RH and Fedora > packages? That is not a 100% requirement, but Fedora could not guarantee compatibility with packages from other sources. Chances are however that maybe 95% of packages from elsewhere work fine though. The sign that says "we cannot guarantee compatibility" was more of a warning than a rule for users who want simplicity by avoiding breakage. > > In response to a problem I was having with version issues between RH 7.3 > and RH 9 ( that RH 9 has some functionality "dumbed down" to remove > liability for distributing software that uses things like mpeg, etc ), > Warren mentioned that the full user versions could be downloaded and > installed using fedora and a 3rd party server. What 3rd party servers > are availble? These are easily found with Google. Please do not ask me to point the way. > > Is fedora a viable candidate for maintaining a systems security patches? > For example, the recent openssh vulnerability, and subsequent security > updates, is this something that fedora is designed to handle? Yes, the old Fedora at fedora.us currently has all RH updates as well as updates for its own packages whenever they are released. The fedora.us project will continue operating for several more months while the new fedora.redhat.com project is forming. Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED]
