Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] adding the ppa updating
why not use command line, so much easier than messing with stupid slow GUIs: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade or whatever. Simple to describe in qan email rather than click this click that type this etc On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@uk.vpolink.comwrote: Hi, Until 'Update Mananger', or the Lubuntu replacement are ready, would be okay to add the instructions from post the instructions on Updating Lubuntu I was given from http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4t=54 to the wiki page as part of the 'Download Lubuntu' https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Download Lubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Download+Lubuntu (I will just post the instructions, not my comments on the team ;-) ) Regards, Phill. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] adding the ppa updating
On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 10:36:34 +0100, Andrew Woodhead andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote: why not use command line, so much easier than messing with stupid slow GUIs: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade or whatever. Simple to describe in an email rather than click this click that type this etc Because some people are terrified of the command line. Apart from which, why offer only one solution when others are available -- Steve (Yorvyk) http://www.lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] adding the ppa updating
It may look very 'pretty' on the wiki page (I am new to editing wiki pages and did not want to be over verbose and clutter it up). I currently advise people of the wiki link and also http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4t=54#p73 if they want a bit more information. Either way, it is only until Lubuntu gets an update system by default. Regards, Phill. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Andrew Woodhead andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote: Because email is text based so text based help is a logical step. Most of the official documentation also includes text based help which is usually quicker than a user trying to find what is being described and possibly clicking the wrong thing and possibly screwing their system. A command from a knowledgeable user will simply do the job and can be copy and pasted to the terminal to precisely achieve the goal. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote: On Thu, 08 Apr 2010 10:36:34 +0100, Andrew Woodhead andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote: why not use command line, so much easier than messing with stupid slow GUIs: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade or whatever. Simple to describe in an email rather than click this click that type this etc Because some people are terrified of the command line. Apart from which, why offer only one solution when others are available -- Steve (Yorvyk) http://www.lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] adding the ppa updating
Regarding the 3 comments, the link I provide to people actually does give a lot of information as to the 'whys and wherefores' of using the cli (And how to access it) it does actually explain what the commands are doing. Any 'how to' that needs the elevation to sudo powers regardless of CLI or GUI can be abused. I did not post that link to the Wiki as it is not 'official' documentation, I could, if it is wished ask a couple of the forum moderators about the possibility of having it put into the Tutorial part of site and refer people to it there. I take great care check that commands using sudo are not going to bork something (Hence the instructions on copy paste). The basic understanding of the CLI is important, IMHO, for people using any flavour of ubuntu who seek support. Regards, Phill. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Andrew Woodhead andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote: The 3 points below can be applied to the GUI method also. The aim of Ubuntu is it just works so if it doesn't work we should provide help which follows this mantra. Here is the command, it just works just like Ubuntu just works. Makes complete sense. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Chow Loong Jin hyper...@ubuntu.comwrote: On Thursday 08,April,2010 07:01 PM, Andrew Woodhead wrote: Because email is text based so text based help is a logical step. Most of the official documentation also includes text based help which is usually quicker than a user trying to find what is being described and possibly clicking the wrong thing and possibly screwing their system. A command from a knowledgeable user will simply do the job and can be copy and pasted to the terminal to precisely achieve the goal. While also scaring away new users since they will: 1. not be able to understand the command, or what they are doing 2. be forced to give you their blind trust 3. not be able to reproduce whatever they did again without referring to your e-mail or chat logs because of #1. There is only one word to describe the act of providing console-only help to new users who are lost in the terminal: *LAZINESS* -- Kind regards, Chow Loong Jin (GPG: 0x8F02A411) Ubuntu Developer ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] what to do
Hi, you will have seen the emails going backwards and forwards regarding keeping a Lubuntu installation up to date. There is only one word to describe the act of providing console-only help to new users who are lost in the terminal: *LAZINESS* I have tried to my very limited knowledge to help the project as I best it I can. I take personal umbrage over that statement. I'm sorry if I got the instructions wrong / not quite Click an Pick expectations of an *buntu. Beta versions do require an ability to go to CLI. The 'How-To is only to be there for until the matter had been addressed in the system. Constructive crtiticsm I am quite okay with. Telling me that I was LAZY to post the amendment to wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Download Lubuntu I just wish I could point people over to http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4t=54#p73 from my thread at forum.phill I really do not know what more I could do to assist the Lubuntu LAZY ? follow the thread, look up the the links; I guess I'm more upset over Trust http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4t=54#p73 http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4t=57 Can I just say that I'm really sorry that the thread became that., I was only trying to help Regards, Phill. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] what to do
Le jeudi 08 avril 2010 à 22:38 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit : Hi, you will have seen the emails going backwards and forwards regarding keeping a Lubuntu installation up to date. There is only one word to describe the act of providing console-only help to new users who are lost in the terminal: *LAZINESS* I have tried to my very limited knowledge to help the project as I best it I can. I take personal umbrage over that statement. I'm sorry if I got the instructions wrong / not quite Click an Pick expectations of an *buntu. Beta versions do require an ability to go to CLI. The 'How-To is only to be there for until the matter had been addressed in the system. Constructive crtiticsm I am quite okay with. Telling me that I was LAZY to post the amendment to wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Download Lubuntu I just wish I could point people over to http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4t=54#p73 from my thread at forum.phill I really do not know what more I could do to assist the Lubuntu LAZY ? follow the thread, look up the the links; I guess I'm more upset over Trust http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4t=54#p73 http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4t=57 Can I just say that I'm really sorry that the thread became that., I was only trying to help Don't take it so seriously. People on the chan and this mailing list know you are helpful. Helping people with something is better that do nothing. And using command line for adding a PPA, well it's quite easy to understand (is add-apt-repository so ... mystic ?). Especially in development release. Also flamewars about CLI/GUI is useless. Really, we have others thing to do. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] what to do
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: However, for the wiki page, I'll re-organize it a bit, adding too much information in the Install section make it less clear IMO. Thanks, I apologise for not knowing how to add a new section, as it was only to be there for until the update system became a part of Lubuntu it was a 'quick hack'. Phill. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
