[Lubuntu-desktop] Installing Lubuntu to usb drives
I've come across many instances (mainly Ubuntu) of people installing the OS to the usb and they are actually running the livecd OS. There are many guides (like penlinux?) and including unetbootin that will install the livecd at the usb drives. There is nothing wrong with that, provided people understand it's the livecd that's running and there are ways to help manually installed appplications 'stick' like casper-rw and the adding of 'persistent' in the kernel line. And puppy linux creates a small partition at the hd to aid that. However, there are obvious disadvantages; the more serious being newer kernels will not be able to be installed and several booting issues as well. I would highly recommend that should you want Lubuntu be installed to a usb stick, *and it's perfect for that*, install it like a normal installation, just that the partition you install to is the usb partition. One important thing to watch out is that at the stage where the installer ask where you want the grub to be installed, please specify the usb drive and never the mbr. Take particular care of the designation of that usb drive (sdb, sdc or sdd) before installation and specify that when asked where grub is to be installed. Note there may be a warning message that installing other to mbr 'is a BAD IDEA'. Nevertheless, proceed. (I understand that this message has been removed, but I cannot verify this). It is a 'BADDER IDEA' to install grub to mbr when /boot is not in the hard drive. To use Lubuntu at the usb drive after installation, at most computers, the keys 'esc', F12', 'F8' will allow you to select the drive to boot up. Older computers may require you to go to bios to do that. Keep that in mind when you take your portable Lubuntu usb drive to other computers. And at your own desktop computer, update-grub of the desktop OS while the Lubuntu usb drive is mounted will enable the desktop OS grub to include your Lubuntu usb drive in the boot menu. Of course running Lubuntu from a SATA hard drive is faster as usb transfer speed is slower. But you may be surprised, as I was, how Lubuntu performs. Ubuntu, Kubuntu ,even the netbook remix, crawls due to the 'bulk' it must carry. Puppy linux, DSL linux do not have the 'polish' of good fonts, codecs, graphics and just plain 'usability'. I brought this up as too many people are installing livecd to the usb drives and I think it's good to set this right especially Lubuntu is just perfect for this. Also, I will appreciate any comment, feedback or disagreement. Regards - Goh Lip -- Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% mortality rate ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Installing Lubuntu to usb drives
On Saturday 08,May,2010 04:53 PM, Goh Lip wrote: I've come across many instances (mainly Ubuntu) of people installing the OS to the usb and they are actually running the livecd OS. There are many guides (like penlinux?) and including unetbootin that will install the livecd at the usb drives. There is nothing wrong with that, provided people understand it's the livecd that's running and there are ways to help manually installed appplications 'stick' like casper-rw and the adding of 'persistent' in the kernel line. And puppy linux creates a small partition at the hd to aid that. However, there are obvious disadvantages; the more serious being newer kernels will not be able to be installed and several booting issues as well. I would highly recommend that should you want Lubuntu be installed to a usb stick, *and it's perfect for that*, install it like a normal installation, just that the partition you install to is the usb partition. One important thing to watch out is that at the stage where the installer ask where you want the grub to be installed, please specify the usb drive and never the mbr. Take particular care of the designation of that usb drive (sdb, sdc or sdd) before installation and specify that when asked where grub is to be installed. Note there may be a warning message that installing other to mbr 'is a BAD IDEA'. Nevertheless, proceed. (I understand that this message has been removed, but I cannot verify this). It is a 'BADDER IDEA' to install grub to mbr when /boot is not in the hard drive. To use Lubuntu at the usb drive after installation, at most computers, the keys 'esc', F12', 'F8' will allow you to select the drive to boot up. Older computers may require you to go to bios to do that. Keep that in mind when you take your portable Lubuntu usb drive to other computers. And at your own desktop computer, update-grub of the desktop OS while the Lubuntu usb drive is mounted will enable the desktop OS grub to include your Lubuntu usb drive in the boot menu. Of course running Lubuntu from a SATA hard drive is faster as usb transfer speed is slower. But you may be surprised, as I was, how Lubuntu performs. Ubuntu, Kubuntu ,even the netbook remix, crawls due to the 'bulk' it must carry. Puppy linux, DSL linux do not have the 'polish' of good fonts, codecs, graphics and just plain 'usability'. I brought this up as too many people are installing livecd to the usb drives and I think it's good to set this right especially Lubuntu is just perfect for this. Also, I will appreciate any comment, feedback or disagreement. Regards - Goh Lip Hello Goh Lip, I was planning on doing this at some stage (I just installed Lubuntu to my laptop in a separate partition and I am reading up on update-grub right now). I've read that one should NOT allocated a swap space on a USB flash device due to the limited number of re-writes that flash media can support before it degrades. Do you concur with this? Would an Install to USB how-to be a useful addition to our wiki? Regards David ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Installing Lubuntu to usb drives
On 05/08/2010 05:02 PM, C David Rigby wrote: On Saturday 08,May,2010 04:53 PM, Goh Lip wrote: Hello Goh Lip, I was planning on doing this at some stage (I just installed Lubuntu to my laptop in a separate partition and I am reading up on update-grub right now). I've read that one should NOT allocated a swap space on a USB flash device due to the limited number of re-writes that flash media can support before it degrades. Do you concur with this? Would an Install to USB how-to be a useful addition to our wiki? David, that was fast! I am not a good source for swap and 'swappiness' but from what I know, and others please correct me if I am wrong, the following points hold o when installing an OS to usb drive, the desktop hard drive swap is enabled at the fstab of the usb OS as well. (I verified this). In other words, when using the usb OS at the desktop where it was installed, the swap is automatically enabled due to the presence of the fstab entry, (unless of course the uuid is changed) o For many cases for new computers, the swap is usually zero or close to zero, ie, no need for swap unless extremely high stress applications is run (or more usually, before adobe flash crashes your firefox :) ). The 'newer' uses for swap is for hibernation and sleep and this requires a slightly more memory than your ram memory. o Yes, rewrites will degrade flash and hard drive memory but I think it will require 'petazillions' to do that now that most home users will have no need to worry about that. Having said that, what should you do? Actually, I don't know. ;) But I'll you what I did. With hard drive memory so much now, I allocate a more than enough to my hard drive swap. 2.5 x ram. But my flash? Zilch! And I don't lose any sleep over it. Hope that helps, David. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Installing Lubuntu to usb drives
On Saturday 08,May,2010 05:27 PM, Goh Lip wrote: On 05/08/2010 05:02 PM, C David Rigby wrote: On Saturday 08,May,2010 04:53 PM, Goh Lip wrote: Hello Goh Lip, I was planning on doing this at some stage (I just installed Lubuntu to my laptop in a separate partition and I am reading up on update-grub right now). I've read that one should NOT allocated a swap space on a USB flash device due to the limited number of re-writes that flash media can support before it degrades. Do you concur with this? Would an Install to USB how-to be a useful addition to our wiki? David, that was fast! I am not a good source for swap and 'swappiness' but from what I know, and others please correct me if I am wrong, the following points hold o when installing an OS to usb drive, the desktop hard drive swap is enabled at the fstab of the usb OS as well. (I verified this). In other words, when using the usb OS at the desktop where it was installed, the swap is automatically enabled due to the presence of the fstab entry, (unless of course the uuid is changed) o For many cases for new computers, the swap is usually zero or close to zero, ie, no need for swap unless extremely high stress applications is run (or more usually, before adobe flash crashes your firefox :) ). The 'newer' uses for swap is for hibernation and sleep and this requires a slightly more memory than your ram memory. o Yes, rewrites will degrade flash and hard drive memory but I think it will require 'petazillions' to do that now that most home users will have no need to worry about that. Having said that, what should you do? Actually, I don't know. ;) But I'll you what I did. With hard drive memory so much now, I allocate a more than enough to my hard drive swap. 2.5 x ram. But my flash? Zilch! And I don't lose any sleep over it. Hope that helps, David. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp I assumed that if I do a manual partitioning of the USB flash drive's storage, I could simply skip allocating swap. The result would be that there would be no fstab entry for swap. I'll try it and find out at some point. I agree with you that my laptop w/ 2 GB RAM is probably not going to need swap with reasonable desktop usage under Lubuntu. My test system back in Singapore w/ 256 MB RAM would probably need it once I have mail, web browser, and a few other apps running. Thanks Goh Lip. Cheers, David ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Installing Lubuntu to usb drives
Hi, with regards to the degradation, if you are using persistance, then you will be re-writing to the usb (albeit not as frequently). My advice to people installing to usb is always to get a usb stick that is certified for Vista or Win 7 as 'Readyboost', these devices are both faster than 'unbranded' usb sticks are designed specifically for memory swapping. (It's really odd to be recommending something that Microsoft do, but I happily accept that there is an accreditation scheme for usb memory sticks). These sticks are slightly more expensive than the 'unbranded' ones, but are worth it for those who value their data (as we all do). Regards, Phill. On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 10:34 AM, C David Rigby c.david.ri...@gmail.comwrote: On Saturday 08,May,2010 05:27 PM, Goh Lip wrote: On 05/08/2010 05:02 PM, C David Rigby wrote: On Saturday 08,May,2010 04:53 PM, Goh Lip wrote: Hello Goh Lip, I was planning on doing this at some stage (I just installed Lubuntu to my laptop in a separate partition and I am reading up on update-grub right now). I've read that one should NOT allocated a swap space on a USB flash device due to the limited number of re-writes that flash media can support before it degrades. Do you concur with this? Would an Install to USB how-to be a useful addition to our wiki? David, that was fast! I am not a good source for swap and 'swappiness' but from what I know, and others please correct me if I am wrong, the following points hold o when installing an OS to usb drive, the desktop hard drive swap is enabled at the fstab of the usb OS as well. (I verified this). In other words, when using the usb OS at the desktop where it was installed, the swap is automatically enabled due to the presence of the fstab entry, (unless of course the uuid is changed) o For many cases for new computers, the swap is usually zero or close to zero, ie, no need for swap unless extremely high stress applications is run (or more usually, before adobe flash crashes your firefox :) ). The 'newer' uses for swap is for hibernation and sleep and this requires a slightly more memory than your ram memory. o Yes, rewrites will degrade flash and hard drive memory but I think it will require 'petazillions' to do that now that most home users will have no need to worry about that. Having said that, what should you do? Actually, I don't know. ;) But I'll you what I did. With hard drive memory so much now, I allocate a more than enough to my hard drive swap. 2.5 x ram. But my flash? Zilch! And I don't lose any sleep over it. Hope that helps, David. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp I assumed that if I do a manual partitioning of the USB flash drive's storage, I could simply skip allocating swap. The result would be that there would be no fstab entry for swap. I'll try it and find out at some point. I agree with you that my laptop w/ 2 GB RAM is probably not going to need swap with reasonable desktop usage under Lubuntu. My test system back in Singapore w/ 256 MB RAM would probably need it once I have mail, web browser, and a few other apps running. Thanks Goh Lip. Cheers, David ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Installing Lubuntu to usb drives
On 05/08/2010 05:34 PM, C David Rigby wrote: On Saturday 08,May,2010 05:27 PM, Goh Lip wrote: On 05/08/2010 05:02 PM, C David Rigby wrote: On Saturday 08,May,2010 04:53 PM, Goh Lip wrote: I assumed that if I do a manual partitioning of the USB flash drive's storage, I could simply skip allocating swap. The result would be that there would be no fstab entry for swap. I'll try it and find out at some point. I agree with you that my laptop w/ 2 GB RAM is probably not going to need swap with reasonable desktop usage under Lubuntu. My test system back in Singapore w/ 256 MB RAM would probably need it once I have mail, web browser, and a few other apps running. Thanks Goh Lip. Cheers, David Hi, David, just a thought, maybe this might help.. You might want to ensure that your S'pore test system have hard drive swap to a reasonable volumn, say at least 600 Mb. Then change your Lubuntu fstab to include that swap partition so that when running on that test system, it can use that. As you mentioned, there is probably no need for the swap at your laptop. Regards - Goh Lip ps: S'pore still have computers less than 1 Gb ram? Thought they'd all be in Batam by now. :) Buy you a Tiger beer when you're up north. -- Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% mortality rate ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Installing Lubuntu to usb drives
On 05/08/2010 06:02 PM, C David Rigby wrote: And still another option is an actual, small USB hard disk. Prices are lower now for this. They tend to be pretty slow, in my experience. I am running Lubuntu off a 2Gb flash thumb drive! And the (good) thumb drives they are selling here now are at least 4Gb and cost less than Sgd 12. (less than a bottle of Tiger beer) Regards - Goh Lip ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Installing Lubuntu to usb drives
On Saturday 08,May,2010 06:24 PM, Goh Lip wrote:
On 05/08/2010 05:34 PM, C David Rigby wrote:
On Saturday 08,May,2010 05:27 PM, Goh Lip wrote:
On 05/08/2010 05:02 PM, C David Rigby wrote:
On Saturday 08,May,2010 04:53 PM, Goh Lip wrote:
I assumed that if I do a manual partitioning of the USB flash drive's
storage, I could simply skip allocating swap. The result would be that
there would be no fstab entry for swap. I'll try it and find out at some
point.
I agree with you that my laptop w/ 2 GB RAM is probably not going to
need swap with reasonable desktop usage under Lubuntu. My test system
back in Singapore w/ 256 MB RAM would probably need it once I have mail,
web browser, and a few other apps running.
Thanks Goh Lip. Cheers, David
Hi, David, just a thought, maybe this might help..
You might want to ensure that your S'pore test system have hard drive
swap to a reasonable volumn, say at least 600 Mb. Then change your
Lubuntu fstab to include that swap partition so that when running on
that test system, it can use that.
As you mentioned, there is probably no need for the swap at your laptop.
Regards - Goh Lip
ps: S'pore still have computers less than 1 Gb ram?
Thought they'd all be in Batam by now. :)
Buy you a Tiger beer when you're up north.
This computer is an old PIII-800 w/ honest-to-goodness Rambus RDRAM. Two
128 MB RIMMs are installed. It's such a museum piece, I had to keep it
find something to do w/ it. {8-
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Czech official Lubuntu website - Drupal theme
Hello, our Czech Ubuntu community wants to make a new czech official website for lubuntu - www.lubuntu.cz . Please, can you give me the Drupal theme from lubuntu.net? With which version od Drupal is it compatible? Have you any another experience with building site about Lubuntu? I've sended this e-mail to Mario Behling, but I haven't got a reply yet, so I'm trying to use this mailing list. Thank you a lot. Excuse my english, I hope that you've understood. Have a nice day. Martin Malý martin.m...@xubuntu.cz -- This message was sent from Launchpad by the user =?utf-8?q?Martin_Mal=C3=BD?= (https://launchpad.net/~martin-maly) using the Contact this team link on the Lubuntu team page. For more information see https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ContactingPeople ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Czech official Lubuntu website - Drupal theme
Hi Martin, good idea about the website. I saw that you are already active in the Linux community, so this is great! It would be good if you could form a team of a few people to share the tasks. I am currently only shortly in front of the computer. Will send you the design tomorrow and upload it to the wiki. The Drupal version is version 6. By the way, I have not received an email from you. Maybe it landed in spam. I dont know. All the best, Mario 2010/5/9 Martin Malý martin.m...@xubuntu.cz: Hello, our Czech Ubuntu community wants to make a new czech official website for lubuntu - www.lubuntu.cz . Please, can you give me the Drupal theme from lubuntu.net? With which version od Drupal is it compatible? Have you any another experience with building site about Lubuntu? I've sended this e-mail to Mario Behling, but I haven't got a reply yet, so I'm trying to use this mailing list. Thank you a lot. Excuse my english, I hope that you've understood. Have a nice day. Martin Malý martin.m...@xubuntu.cz - ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Czech official Lubuntu website - Drupal theme
On Sunday 09,May,2010 10:52 AM, Mario Behling wrote: Hi Martin, good idea about the website. I saw that you are already active in the Linux community, so this is great! It would be good if you could form a team of a few people to share the tasks. I am currently only shortly in front of the computer. Will send you the design tomorrow and upload it to the wiki. The Drupal version is version 6. By the way, I have not received an email from you. Maybe it landed in spam. I dont know. All the best, Mario 2010/5/9 Martin Malýmartin.m...@xubuntu.cz: Hello, our Czech Ubuntu community wants to make a new czech official website for lubuntu - www.lubuntu.cz . Please, can you give me the Drupal theme from lubuntu.net? With which version od Drupal is it compatible? Have you any another experience with building site about Lubuntu? I've sended this e-mail to Mario Behling, but I haven't got a reply yet, so I'm trying to use this mailing list. Thank you a lot. Excuse my english, I hope that you've understood. Have a nice day. Martin Malý martin.m...@xubuntu.cz - Hello Martin, I just wanted to add that I've some experience working with Drupal. Feel free to write to me off-list if you have any questions about it. Regards David ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
