Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Suggestion: Move these apps from Preferences to System Tools (submenus or not)

2011-02-12 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Guys:

2011/2/11 Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm

 On 02/11/2011 04:43 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
   Thanks Jonathan. I can't see the benefit of the 2 sub-menu
  Administration and System tools. Why not merged them into 1 ? 1
  thing I like in the LXDE/Lubuntu menu is that everything is quickly
  available. What do you think ?
  So to me, it makes sense as is.  I was looking for a happy medium
 between everything vaguely System related goes into one big System
 menu, and the old way of System Preferences apps not even being
 noticeably System oriented in the menus, which I think is unfortunate
 -- the difference between a per-user change and a per-machine change is
 significant.
  But I'm not (yet?) a long-term every day Lubuntu or LXDE user.  I am
 more used to the Ubuntu GNOME menu structure, which has System -
 Administration - Synaptic (for example)... so reflecting that in
 Lubuntu makes it much easier for me, personally, to find things, than
 when Synaptic was in Preferences :)  That doesn't mean my way will suit
 everyone, though.

 Jonathan


For me at least, if everything would be merged into one only sub-menu i
would know where to do something that normally i won't use every day of my
normal use of a computer. So, in favor of space and practicity i'm with
Julien on this. It would remind me a little of XP wich honestly, was good.

About control center: isn't there a way to start a window of pcmanfm without
the adress column to make the pcmanfm-control-center?!?!?? How sad :'(

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu development process documentation, etc.

2011-02-12 Thread Jonathan Marsden
Naveen,

As with all Launchpad mailing lists, *please* hit Reply to All so that
your replies go to the list, not just to the one person who write the
message you are replying to :)

On 02/12/2011 01:20 AM, Naveen Agrawal wrote:

 I think I was not clear here. But I was talking about a knowledge
 base area for development work like bugsquad team has for bug handling.

If there is already a sufficient base of knowledge, go for it.  It took
years for the bugsquad docs to reach their current form, and they have a
much larger team of bug hunters/triagers to draw from.

 Also we need to form a bug reporting  triaging page for Lubuntu
 where we can link the already documented resources of Ubuntu which
 are common to Lubuntu. Adding information about how to subscribe and
 report bug related to Lubuntu.

How is that different from how to subscribe and report bugs in other
Ubuntu flavours?  Launchpad is the same for subscribing to bugs, and the
ubuntu-bug program is in Lubuntu just as it is in other flavours, as far
as I know.

If there is no difference, then we should (IMO) not create a special
separate Lubuntu page -- doing so just makes Lubuntu appear more
different than it really is from the other ubuntu's.

 What particular aspects of Lubuntu's development do you find 
 undocumented, that you would like to work on?  Which Lubuntu
 specific bugs are you trying to develop fixes for?

 I was trying to work on lxpanel bugs.

That's LXDE development more than Lubuntu development, but OK.

 I tried to search for its development documentation but could not
 find a good resource except a small wiki page.

I'd guess that the number of developers of lxpanel is so small there may
not be a fully realized team culture for it yet, or else those who are
working on it are experienced developers who have not yet made the time
to create developer docs.  If you have specific questions you can email
PCMan, whose email address is the top one in the list of developers in
the AUTHORS file in the source tarball of lxpanel.

 I am looking for more detailed information about the lxpanel feature.

lxpanel is an app, not a feature -- I think?

 I am stuck with many question. How is the source code arranged into different 
 files?

  apt-get source lxpanel

would get you the answer to that, in the form of the packaged source
tree to look through :)

 What are the coding guidelines for it?

Probably no formal ones, so just make any new code look like the
existing code ... if you submit a patch and someone says first make it
fit our coding guidelines, they will tell you where to find the
guidelines :)

 I'd suggest hanging out on IRC in #lubuntu and #lubuntu-offtopic , and
 asking specific questions there, as one way to get over your initial
 difficulty.

 I  have been part of lubuntu since mid January and can be normally 
 found in #lubuntu  and #lubuntu-offtopic between 10:00-18:00(UTC) as
 'Wolfpack'.

Cool!

 From now on, I will be buzzing you whenever I need help. :-)

Ah no :)  Please ask the channel, not just one person.

I am not an LXDE developer.  I am a fairly experienced programmer,
network and system admin, and I have done a moderate amount of Ubuntu
packaging work, so I am acting much more as a generally useful
technical person for Lubuntu, not an LXDE dev!

I've unpacked and read the lxpanel code, but have not patched it or
really examined it in depth line by line, so for detailed LXDE
questions, you'll be better off asking others.

 Are you volunteering to work on creating this?  Sounds good to me :)

 I am ready to work on restructuring the wiki of Lubuntu. I am
 looking to add a basic guide for beginner developers at start. Then
 as we keep on fixing bugs we can add more information to it.

Sounds fine.  Just do it.  Phill W seems to be the local wiki expert if
you need help with the wiki stuff itself.

 Also, what I think is to create a small target for each week and
 divide the work into small teams.

We don't have enough active developers for that, I think.  Better to
just have the lead developer (currently Julien as far as I can see)
create a TODO list, and then devs can pick from that whichever items
they feel they are interested in and have the skills to handle.

Or, devs can just look at lubuntu-related bugs and fix any of them they
want to, which is how I recently got started with bug #650432 -- not
really a needs code bug at all, just editing an XML .menu file, but...
it got me started :)

 As developer, we can focus 1 package at a time .First trying to 
 collect all the information of that package as developer point of
 view. Then create a wiki page (taking help of our WIKI team) for it
 and add all the information to it and link it to Developer knowledge
 base area. After that we can work on bug fixing of that package and
 update more information from our experience.This way we will able to
 focus on our target and will create a knowledge base area for new
 developers.

I think persuading Julien and I to 

[Lubuntu-desktop] bzr and lubuntu-default-settings

2011-02-12 Thread Jonathan Marsden
Julien,

I've grabbed the bzr tree for lubuntu-default-settings from the location
in its debian/control file, which is

  lp:~lubuntu-desktop/+junk/lubuntu-default-settings

I edited things (for bug #650432), built and tested the package,
committed locally, signed my commit, and pushed the change back.

However, I'm concerned at the use of +junk here.  +junk is (as far as I
know) used for personal stuff and informal tests, not for real packages.

Could you explain why the Lubuntu team is using +junk here?

Also, I'm about to do another commit that fixes some lintian warnings
and info messages -- please let me know if you don't want me to fix up
the package in that way :)

Thanks,

Jonathan

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