Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: get lubuntu on Lubuntu website
Hiyas Mario, As virtually all wiki areas can be updated by anyone, if you wish to link to the new documentation area, the download section or the dev's section please feel free to do so. Myself and others do keep them up to date. We do encourage the use of torrents, but I do hold the iso's on my server area for times when there are no seeders about. If you have a quick look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu which has the details and release notes, the new documentation area is at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation the dev area has the notes on the upcoming 11.04 release (and all dev releases) is under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers specifically at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing We are fortunate to have some willing and gifted wiki people to help Lubuntu, so the wiki pages are updated pretty quickly by any of the admin gang as soon as a request / information comes in from our devs. (it also keeps some of my padawans from getting bored). Regards, Phill. On 18 February 2011 03:55, Mario Behling m...@mariobehling.de wrote: Hello, I think a page on the wiki collecting download links and links to the release notes would be best as it can be maintained by all of us. The we will link from the side bar to the release note page. @Phil: As you work mostly on the wiki. Do we want to do it this way? Ciao, Mario On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com wrote: People: Also it would be great if it could be 10.04.2 :) -- jpxsat Ubuntu user #29.157 (Lubuntu 10.04) Linux user #522.597 ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] debconf bug?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/18/2011 10:59 AM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset wrote: Installing Lubuntu 10.04 to a friend, i watched something strange while upgrading the system: debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome debconf: (Unable to load Gnome... is libgnome2-perl installed?) debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog And after this it continues to install the package. But the system prints this message for every package to install... Why do you think this is a bug? What issue or harm does it cause? You should only see this is you look at the details window during the package installation from upgrade-manager, most users never see it. As far as I know, this is just debconf looking for GNOME and not finding it, which I would consider normal expected behaviour (since LUbuntu does not include GNOME!), and so this is (as far as I can see) not a bug. If this message results in failed installations, or the message in itself causes a problem for you, please state more clearly what the problem is. Thanks, Jonathan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1eyQIACgkQUGfT4+mKBLLRKQCeOsUhdRQI+FjQ8MfY6n1pBj4a ZwsAnjZ78E/LRqDsTXRfs+OSOAIP4anz =rd38 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] debconf bug?
2011/2/18 Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/18/2011 10:59 AM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset wrote: Installing Lubuntu 10.04 to a friend, i watched something strange while upgrading the system: debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome debconf: (Unable to load Gnome... is libgnome2-perl installed?) debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog And after this it continues to install the package. But the system prints this message for every package to install... Why do you think this is a bug? What issue or harm does it cause? You should only see this is you look at the details window during the package installation from upgrade-manager, most users never see it. As far as I know, this is just debconf looking for GNOME and not finding it, which I would consider normal expected behaviour (since LUbuntu does not include GNOME!), and so this is (as far as I can see) not a bug. If this message results in failed installations, or the message in itself causes a problem for you, please state more clearly what the problem is. Thanks, Jonathan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1eyQIACgkQUGfT4+mKBLLRKQCeOsUhdRQI+FjQ8MfY6n1pBj4a ZwsAnjZ78E/LRqDsTXRfs+OSOAIP4anz =rd38 -END PGP SIGNATURE- So, according to you it doesn't affect that each time a package is installed or uninstalled the system tries to find something and fails: this is a process that sure last less than a second... but Lubuntu is for old-spec hardware, so here, less than a second can be a second for other person with older hardware (and multiplied for each package you're un/installing...). And so, everybody here knows that Lubuntu doesn't include Gnome... that's why a call for something gnome-called looks bad. The process automatically falls back to the frontend dialog... i'm just saying that if it's possible, this should be done by default in Lubuntu. -- jpxsat http://jpxsat-informatica.blogspot.com/ Ubuntu user #29.157 (Lubuntu 10.04) Linux user #522.597 ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] debconf bug?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/18/2011 12:02 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset wrote: So, according to you it doesn't affect that each time a package is installed or uninstalled the system tries to find something and fails: Correct... however, I do not think it's primarily my role to say what it affects -- because I am not the person reporting the bug :) What do *you* think it affects? That is what I am asking you about. You are the one suggesting that you have found a bug in debconf; therefore, I'm asking you for clear information about why displaying a warning message is a bug -- what specific impact does it have for you (the bug reporter) that makes you think it is a bug? Personally, I have seen the same warning message in other (non-Lubuntu) circumstances, and it has never been a problem for me. Therefore, I currently believe it to be normal standard expected works-as-designed debconf behaviour, and I do not think it has a significant performance impact. But, I'm not the one reporting this as a bug :) There may be ways to avoid the warning by reconfiguring debconf, have you explored using sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf to suit your needs? Or, if that does not help, starting upgrade-manager using something like: DEBIAN_FRONTEND=dialog update-manager or possibly even export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=dialog ; update-manager to explicitly set the desired front end? One or both ought to work to avoid this warning, if I am guessing correctly :) this is a process that sure last less than a second... but Lubuntu is for old-spec hardware, so here, less than a second can be a second for other person with older hardware (and multiplied for each package you're un/installing...). OK. Have you run strace to see how much less than a second checking for the presence of libgnome-perl takes, or what system resources are used to make that check and output the warning message? Have you read the debconf sources to see exactly what the code does to perform the check, and estimated that what it does when it makes that check will cause performance issues on older hardware? Have you installed say 200 packages under GNOME, timing how long it takes, and then repeated the same install of the same 200 packages under Lubuntu on the same hardware, and found that Lubuntu is significantly slower doing that install? If not, then what makes you think that it has a noticeable performance impact for you -- you are the bug reporter; please provide the info that makes you think this (checking for ability to use some Perl code from libgnome2-perl, and then emitting a text warning in a debug window that is usually hidden) is causing a problem for you, and so is a bug. In case it helps you as you look into this, the code concerned is in Debconf/FrontEnd/Gnome.pm and reads: eval q{ use Gtk2; use Gnome2; }; die Unable to load Gnome -- is libgnome2-perl installed?\n if $@; So debconf is loading its Gnome front end module, which tests whether it has the Perl stuff it needs, finds out it doesn't, and quits, causing the front end selector to fall back to the Dialog front end. I don't see an obvious major performance issue there, but only some real world testing will find out for sure. I am suspicious that the fault here, if any, could be that update-manager runs debconf specifying the gnome frontend by default. Do you still see the issue if you invoke update-manager as DEBIAN_FRONTEND=dialog update-manager And so, everybody here knows that Lubuntu doesn't include Gnome... that's why a call for something gnome-called looks bad. It's not even visible to 98% (a guess, I have no evidence what the percentage really is) of users -- all the users who don't play with the Details button when running update-manager. The process automatically falls back to the frontend dialog... i'm just saying that if it's possible, this should be done by default in Lubuntu. I'd think that yes, it's *possible*. Most things in software are *possible* given enough time and work. But that does not in any way suggest that everything which is possible should be done. I think a more helpful question is not whether it is possible, but whether it is worth doing the work to hide a warning that is already mostly hidden :) If you want to take this request further, I would suggest filing a bug report in LaunchPad and providing full details there. Thanks, Jonathan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1fIywACgkQUGfT4+mKBLKqXgCfdOQyiTRFzNIacEWnPkTWruap MnYAnA4CYIAUy3eau0S5TDJT4ueByjbq =w2zO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp