Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Idea/Suggestion to say goodbye to xcreensaver

[Marcelo Zacarias da Silva]

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:08:32PM -0500, Jorge Andrés Alvarez Oré wrote:
> The first time that i installed Lubuntu I've surprised when see that the
> default screensaver consume 60-70% of my processor. So i deactivated it. For
> me turn off the monitor in x minutes is enough. Lubuntu is not only for slow
> machine, it's a energy saving OS too. In the lubuntu.net home page say it:
> "lubuntu is a faster, more lightweight and *energy saving* variant of Ubuntu
> using LXDE".
> 
> So, in my opinion xscreensaver should be removed and gnome-power-preferences
> should be in the start menu (or whatever you call :))
> 

Agreed. IMHO, running CPU intensive programs when the user is way makes no 
sense. An 
option to blank and/or lock the screen (automatically or by user request, like 
CTRL-ALT-L in Ubuntu) is useful (again, IMHO).


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[Lubuntu-desktop] Missing help/docs

[Yorvyk]

I can't remember if this has been discussed before, but the following have no 
documentation installed in 11.04.

Sylpheed - sylpheed-doc not installed.
Mtpaint - the program is unable to find the documentation so either it is not 
installed or in the wrong place.
Gnumeric - yelp not installed.

This is the first time I've looked at the help files so this may be the case in 
10.04 and 10.10.

RFC - before I file bug reports (if needed).


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Idea/Suggestion to say goodbye to xcreensaver

[Chris]

Hai everyone,

Agreed the screensaver shouldn't be energy consuming, it should be the
opposite.
I like Mod4 + L for locking btw.

Cheers, Chris Druif

I like

2011/2/25 Marcelo Zacarias da Silva 

> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:08:32PM -0500, Jorge Andrés Alvarez Oré wrote:
> > The first time that i installed Lubuntu I've surprised when see that the
> > default screensaver consume 60-70% of my processor. So i deactivated it.
> For
> > me turn off the monitor in x minutes is enough. Lubuntu is not only for
> slow
> > machine, it's a energy saving OS too. In the lubuntu.net home page say
> it:
> > "lubuntu is a faster, more lightweight and *energy saving* variant of
> Ubuntu
> > using LXDE".
> >
> > So, in my opinion xscreensaver should be removed and
> gnome-power-preferences
> > should be in the start menu (or whatever you call :))
> >
>
> Agreed. IMHO, running CPU intensive programs when the user is way makes no
> sense. An
> option to blank and/or lock the screen (automatically or by user request,
> like
> CTRL-ALT-L in Ubuntu) is useful (again, IMHO).
>
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] No sound output to HDMI

[Tim Bernhard]

Does anyone know how to output sound through HDMI in Lubuntu?

I've done it a couple of times with Ubuntu in the past, but couldn't find
anything that would allow me to do it in Lubuntu.  There is nowhere to
adjust sound preferences that I could see.  I tried alsamixer, but didn't
see anything that would do the job.   I understand that Lubuntu is supposed
to be lightweight, but this is  a feature I would expect to find in all
modern OS.  Shouldn't we have a "sound preferences" in the menu like Ubuntu
has?

Tim
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...

[Tim Bernhard]

What should Lubuntu do?

I realize that being lightweight is a major focus for Lubuntu and I agree
100%.  But keep in mind that the average user will have expectations for
their OS and that not everyone will use it only on older hardware (Lubuntu
is too nice not to use it on modern hardware!)

My main point is that Lubuntu should be for "everyone" and not just us
"tweakers and geekers".  I want to be able to install it on anyone's
computer and not have to worry about what it won't do for them.

So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do "out of
the box"?  Pretend you are putting it on someone's  machine.  Maybe your
mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows.
What will they expect?

Here's my list:
- be efficient (most overlooked by most OS)
- handle music, video and Internet
- find anything on my local network
- download and open files properly
- let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out)
- have basic office apps (even though I don't use them)
- allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer, but I
don't fault anyone for that.)

Lubuntu has come pretty close to meeting my expectations.  I've had to tweak
a little bit and I might still be missing a few things here and there, but
overall, I love it.  The one area it blows everything else away is with it's
efficiency.  It seems like that's the most overlooked item in all the other
Ubuntu variants I've used.

Tim
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...

[Chris]

Hai Tim,

Welcome on the mailing-list first of all. You seem to have a pretty clear
image in what might be efficient. You might enlighten us with your
definition of an efficient OS. Love to hear your thoughts.

Cheers, Chris

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 15:10, Tim Bernhard  wrote:

> What should Lubuntu do?
>
> I realize that being lightweight is a major focus for Lubuntu and I agree
> 100%.  But keep in mind that the average user will have expectations for
> their OS and that not everyone will use it only on older hardware (Lubuntu
> is too nice not to use it on modern hardware!)
>
> My main point is that Lubuntu should be for "everyone" and not just us
> "tweakers and geekers".  I want to be able to install it on anyone's
> computer and not have to worry about what it won't do for them.
>
> So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do "out of
> the box"?  Pretend you are putting it on someone's  machine.  Maybe your
> mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows.
> What will they expect?
>
> Here's my list:
> - be efficient (most overlooked by most OS)
> - handle music, video and Internet
> - find anything on my local network
> - download and open files properly
> - let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI
> out)
> - have basic office apps (even though I don't use them)
> - allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer, but
> I don't fault anyone for that.)
>
> Lubuntu has come pretty close to meeting my expectations.  I've had to
> tweak a little bit and I might still be missing a few things here and there,
> but overall, I love it.  The one area it blows everything else away is with
> it's efficiency.  It seems like that's the most overlooked item in all the
> other Ubuntu variants I've used.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Idea/Suggestion to say goodbye to xcreensaver

[Tim Bernhard]

Hey Chris, I'm forwarding this to the list for everyone to see.

"But include it for those who want a CPU hogging screen beauty =P"
>

LOL, that's funny.  I guess that's what I was thinking.  But maybe most
people wouldn't miss it anyway.  If it does stay I would say disable it by
default for sure.

Tim


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From: Chris 
Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Idea/Suggestion to say goodbye to xcreensaver
To: Tim Bernhard 


Screensavers are for CRT monitors, to prevent in burning of pixels. To a
lesser degree also LCD screens.
Other then that I can't think of use-cases. But include it for those who
want a CPU hogging screen beauty =P


On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 14:48, Tim Bernhard  wrote:

> Wow,  I'm really surprised that the screen saver can hit a CPU that hard.
> I still think should be included as an option for those who want it, but
> maybe people really don't use them anymore anyway.  I know I haven't run one
> for years.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Chris  wrote:
>
>> Hai everyone,
>>
>> Agreed the screensaver shouldn't be energy consuming, it should be the
>> opposite.
>> I like Mod4 + L for locking btw.
>>
>> Cheers, Chris Druif
>>
>> I like
>>
>> 2011/2/25 Marcelo Zacarias da Silva 
>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:08:32PM -0500, Jorge Andrés Alvarez Oré wrote:
>>> > The first time that i installed Lubuntu I've surprised when see that
>>> the
>>> > default screensaver consume 60-70% of my processor. So i deactivated
>>> it. For
>>> > me turn off the monitor in x minutes is enough. Lubuntu is not only for
>>> slow
>>> > machine, it's a energy saving OS too. In the lubuntu.net home page say
>>> it:
>>> > "lubuntu is a faster, more lightweight and *energy saving* variant of
>>> Ubuntu
>>> > using LXDE".
>>> >
>>> > So, in my opinion xscreensaver should be removed and
>>> gnome-power-preferences
>>> > should be in the start menu (or whatever you call :))
>>> >
>>>
>>> Agreed. IMHO, running CPU intensive programs when the user is way makes
>>> no sense. An
>>> option to blank and/or lock the screen (automatically or by user request,
>>> like
>>> CTRL-ALT-L in Ubuntu) is useful (again, IMHO).
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...

[Yorvyk]

On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:10:12 -0500
Tim Bernhard  wrote:

> What should Lubuntu do?
> 
> I realize that being lightweight is a major focus for Lubuntu and I agree
> 100%.  But keep in mind that the average user will have expectations for
> their OS and that not everyone will use it only on older hardware (Lubuntu
> is too nice not to use it on modern hardware!)
> 
> My main point is that Lubuntu should be for "everyone" and not just us
> "tweakers and geekers".  I want to be able to install it on anyone's
> computer and not have to worry about what it won't do for them.
> 
> So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do "out of
> the box"?  Pretend you are putting it on someone's  machine.  Maybe your
> mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows.
> What will they expect?
> 
Don't pick on mothers.

They expect it to look and behave like Windows, especially if they have been to 
classes at the local school or college.

> Here's my list:
> - be efficient (most overlooked by most OS)
Define efficient.

> - handle music, video and Internet
OK, although DVD's can be a problem any most basic OS's.

> - find anything on my local network
Most people of the type you're talking about wouldn't no what a LAN is.

> - download and open files properly
I'd love that on any OS.

> - let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out)
Had very few problems with desktop machines but, portables on the other hand.  
They seem to be either plug 'n' play or a royal PITA.

> - have basic office apps (even though I don't use them)
OK.

> - allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer, but I
> don't fault anyone for that.)
Again the sort of user you're talking about rarely customises their desktop 
beyond changing the wallpaper.
 
> Lubuntu has come pretty close to meeting my expectations.  I've had to tweak
> a little bit and I might still be missing a few things here and there, but
> overall, I love it.  The one area it blows everything else away is with it's
> efficiency.  It seems like that's the most overlooked item in all the other
> Ubuntu variants I've used.
> 
> Tim


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...

[Tim Bernhard]

For me it's really three main areas.

First is battery consumption "under normal use".  I want my 8 hour battery
to last a close to 8 hours, not less than 6 like it did with Ubuntu.

Second, I look at the user interface.  I hate having two task-bars when
everything I need will fit in one.  I never use a mouse so I like to keep
everything at the top of the screen because that's where my application
menus are located.   Why track all to all over the screen when you can put
all the things you use the most in one area - the upper left corner.  I also
use multiple desktops to organize my work.  LXDE does all of this for me
with very little personalization.  I had Ubuntu Netbook Remix set up this
way before, but I had to do a little more work to get it how I wanted. (And
UNR was a power hog compared to Lubuntu.)

Lastly, I don't want my OS to be a full time hobby.  Mostly I just want it
to work without having to spend much time tweaking it.  I want a live USB
installer, a sub-20 minute install and a then have a system that does all of
the basics when it's done.

That's it really.  I think both Lubuntu and Pepermint One are really close
to meeting all of MY expectations and I found that Lubuntu gets better
battery life.   Right now it is the only OS I use at home - I'm stuck with
XP at work. :(

Tim

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Chris  wrote:

> Hai Tim,
>
> Welcome on the mailing-list first of all. You seem to have a pretty clear
> image in what might be efficient. You might enlighten us with your
> definition of an efficient OS. Love to hear your thoughts.
>
> Cheers, Chris
>
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 15:10, Tim Bernhard  wrote:
>
>> What should Lubuntu do?
>>
>> I realize that being lightweight is a major focus for Lubuntu and I agree
>> 100%.  But keep in mind that the average user will have expectations for
>> their OS and that not everyone will use it only on older hardware (Lubuntu
>> is too nice not to use it on modern hardware!)
>>
>> My main point is that Lubuntu should be for "everyone" and not just us
>> "tweakers and geekers".  I want to be able to install it on anyone's
>> computer and not have to worry about what it won't do for them.
>>
>> So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do "out of
>> the box"?  Pretend you are putting it on someone's  machine.  Maybe your
>> mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows.
>> What will they expect?
>>
>> Here's my list:
>> - be efficient (most overlooked by most OS)
>> - handle music, video and Internet
>> - find anything on my local network
>> - download and open files properly
>> - let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI
>> out)
>> - have basic office apps (even though I don't use them)
>> - allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer, but
>> I don't fault anyone for that.)
>>
>> Lubuntu has come pretty close to meeting my expectations.  I've had to
>> tweak a little bit and I might still be missing a few things here and there,
>> but overall, I love it.  The one area it blows everything else away is with
>> it's efficiency.  It seems like that's the most overlooked item in all the
>> other Ubuntu variants I've used.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Idea/Suggestion to say goodbye to xcreensaver

[Chris]

Hai Tim,

I thought I replied to all, not just you. But it's like I said mainly for
CRT screens.

Cheers, Chris

P.S.: my funny bone was tingling =P
Op 25 feb. 2011 16:00 schreef "Tim Bernhard"  het
volgende:
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Idea/Suggestion to say goodbye to xcreensaver

[Liam Proven]

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Chris  wrote:
> Hai Tim,
>
> I thought I replied to all, not just you. But it's like I said mainly for
> CRT screens.

You know, LCDs still burn in. It's arguably more efficient to just
blank them than display a 'saver, although you run the risk of people
thinking their PCs have crashed or are off.

However, burn-in is not a historical problem. I have seen quite a few
burned-in TFTs and as people don't think it happens any more, they're
not taking precautions and it's on the rise.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...

[Tim Bernhard]

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Yorvyk wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:10:12 -0500
> Tim Bernhard  wrote:
>



> > So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do "out
> of
> > the box"?  Pretend you are putting it on someone's  machine.  Maybe your
> > mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows.
> > What will they expect?
> >
> Don't pick on mothers.
>

ha, ha..


>
> They expect it to look and behave like Windows, especially if they have
> been to classes at the local school or college.
>

Let's not get too carried away!  Ha, ha. But yeah they would expect Lubuntu
to do everything Windows does and complain if it doesn't.  But I switched my
mother-in-law over to Ubuntu a few years ago.  She got used to it and now
she likes it.  So let's not give up on these poor souls.


>
> > Here's my list:
> > - be efficient (most overlooked by most OS)
> Define efficient.
>

See my last reply.


>
> > - find anything on my local network
> Most people of the type you're talking about wouldn't no what a LAN is.
>

Yes, but they get people like you and I to set them up anyway and then we
have to show them how to use them.


> > - let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI
> out)
> Had very few problems with desktop machines but, portables on the other
> hand.  They seem to be either plug 'n' play or a royal PITA.
>

I can't figure out how to output sound to my TV...I might have a royal PITA
in store for me.  lol


> > - allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer,
> but I
> > don't fault anyone for that.)
> Again the sort of user you're talking about rarely customises their desktop
> beyond changing the wallpaper.
>

I agree.  Still hoping to be able to edit menu items in LXDE as you would in
Ubuntu.  Not a deal breaker though and I don't expect anything to happen
soon.  Just dreaming.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Add gucharmap to the default installed apps

[Yorvyk]

On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:53:20 -
Chris Druif  wrote:

> Hai everyone,
> 
> Seeing we are trying to bring the Ubuntu feeling to LXDE, we should try
> to give the "full" experience, but lightweight. Seeing Ubuntu comes with
> a character map installed, I would like to suggest that Lubuntu also
> comes installed with an character map. Seeing gucharmap (ubuntu's
> default) doesn't require any addition dependencies and should take 561kB
> on disk.
> 
> It was discussed in the latest meeting, and gilir suggested to put it on
> the mailing-list to check if anyone was against the addition, so let
> yourself be heard if you do.
> 
Not something I use very often, but is useful occasionally.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing help/docs

[Julien Lavergne]

Le vendredi 25 février 2011 à 12:35 +, Yorvyk a écrit :
> Sylpheed - sylpheed-doc not installed.
Good catch, should be included (I'll fix it)

> Mtpaint - the program is unable to find the documentation so either it
> is not installed or in the wrong place.
Please report a bug.

> Gnumeric - yelp not installed.
Yes, but we need some Lubuntu specific documentation to put in yelp, or
we will have the Ubuntu documentation, which could not be appropriate :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Pidgin Suggestion

[Julien Lavergne]

Le jeudi 24 février 2011 à 23:32 -0300, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a
écrit :
> Do you have the difference between the 2 notifications, with
> and without pidgin-libnotify ?
> Can't really tell any difference... so i ran pidgin with and without
> it and there's no difference seeing it with xfce4-taskmanager 

It's more about the visual between the 2 notifications. I suspect we
have the same with or without this plugin install.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Idea/Suggestion to say goodbye to xcreensaver

[Chris]

I *thought* it was in lesser degree with LCD's. But turn off is such a turn
off for some people (pun intended), but my prefered method (my Ubuntu does
it as well).

Chris

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 16:46, Liam Proven  wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Chris  wrote:
> > Hai Tim,
> >
> > I thought I replied to all, not just you. But it's like I said mainly for
> > CRT screens.
>
> You know, LCDs still burn in. It's arguably more efficient to just
> blank them than display a 'saver, although you run the risk of people
> thinking their PCs have crashed or are off.
>
> However, burn-in is not a historical problem. I have seen quite a few
> burned-in TFTs and as people don't think it happens any more, they're
> not taking precautions and it's on the rise.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Idea/Suggestion to say goodbye to xcreensaver

[Julien Lavergne]

Le vendredi 25 février 2011 à 09:05 -0300, Marcelo Zacarias da Silva a
écrit :
> Agreed. IMHO, running CPU intensive programs when the user is way
> makes no sense. An 
> option to blank and/or lock the screen (automatically or by user
> request, like 
> CTRL-ALT-L in Ubuntu) is useful (again, IMHO). 

For the record, it's already reported :)
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/578789
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/521427

Also, I think the default for Ubuntu and gnome-screensaver is a blank
mode, so it could make sense to do the same with xscreensaver.

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[Lee Gold]

If anyone - a moderator can remove me from the lubuntu mail list, please  do 
so. I have no luck using the launchpad site and find it quite buggy.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] RES: Ask yourself...

[Fabio Silva]

[Quote]

 

What should Lubuntu do?

I realize that being lightweight is a major focus for Lubuntu and I agree
100%.  But keep in mind that the average user will have expectations for
their OS and that not everyone will use it only on older hardware (Lubuntu
is too nice not to use it on modern hardware!)

My main point is that Lubuntu should be for "everyone" and not just us
"tweakers and geekers".  I want to be able to install it on anyone's
computer and not have to worry about what it won't do for them.

So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do "out of
the box"?  Pretend you are putting it on someone's  machine.  Maybe your
mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows.
What will they expect?

Here's my list:
- be efficient (most overlooked by most OS)
- handle music, video and Internet
- find anything on my local network
- download and open files properly 
- let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out)
- have basic office apps (even though I don't use them)
- allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer, but I
don't fault anyone for that.)

Lubuntu has come pretty close to meeting my expectations.  I've had to tweak
a little bit and I might still be missing a few things here and there, but
overall, I love it.  The one area it blows everything else away is with it's
efficiency.  It seems like that's the most overlooked item in all the other
Ubuntu variants I've used. 

Tim
[/quote]

I agree but I am a very beginner user and I stopped using lubuntu due to
networks problems, I wasn't able to find my network places like I do in
windows or ubuntu. to a user like me, it is not acceptable have to write
codes to find the network or mount a pen drive every time I need. Those
things should work OFB. Is screen saver, wall paper and some personalization
realy important right now? There is many flavors of linux doing it. what I
want from lubuntu is a reliable, robust and fast OS. I don't want my OS
consuming my computer resources! Vista already does it. I guess to not have
screen saver to save energy sounds like an selling argument! it can be
turned into a good thing. you know what I mean??

If you want to know how a regular user feels like about lubuntu, ask me ! I
am one..heheh 

Sorry about my lack of english..  



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...

[PYROcomp]

For me the MOST important function would be support for older machines.
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On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 09:52, Tim Bernhard  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Yorvyk wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:10:12 -0500
>> Tim Bernhard  wrote:
>>
>
>
>
>>  > So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do "out
>> of
>> > the box"?  Pretend you are putting it on someone's  machine.  Maybe your
>> > mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows.
>> > What will they expect?
>> >
>> Don't pick on mothers.
>>
>
> ha, ha..
>
>
>>
>> They expect it to look and behave like Windows, especially if they have
>> been to classes at the local school or college.
>>
>
> Let's not get too carried away!  Ha, ha. But yeah they would expect Lubuntu
> to do everything Windows does and complain if it doesn't.  But I switched my
> mother-in-law over to Ubuntu a few years ago.  She got used to it and now
> she likes it.  So let's not give up on these poor souls.
>
>
>>
>> > Here's my list:
>> > - be efficient (most overlooked by most OS)
>> Define efficient.
>>
>
> See my last reply.
>
>
>>
>> > - find anything on my local network
>> Most people of the type you're talking about wouldn't no what a LAN is.
>>
>
> Yes, but they get people like you and I to set them up anyway and then we
> have to show them how to use them.
>
>
>> > - let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI
>> out)
>> Had very few problems with desktop machines but, portables on the other
>> hand.  They seem to be either plug 'n' play or a royal PITA.
>>
>
> I can't figure out how to output sound to my TV...I might have a royal PITA
> in store for me.  lol
>
>
>> > - allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer,
>> but I
>> > don't fault anyone for that.)
>> Again the sort of user you're talking about rarely customises their
>> desktop beyond changing the wallpaper.
>>
>
> I agree.  Still hoping to be able to edit menu items in LXDE as you would
> in Ubuntu.  Not a deal breaker though and I don't expect anything to happen
> soon.  Just dreaming.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Pidgin Suggestion

[Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset]

2011/2/25 Julien Lavergne 

> Le jeudi 24 février 2011 à 23:32 -0300, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a
> écrit :
> > Can't really tell any difference... so i ran pidgin with and without
> > it and there's no difference seeing it with xfce4-taskmanager
>
> It's more about the visual between the 2 notifications. I suspect we
> have the same with or without this plugin install.
>

Sorry, i think i'm missing something (english problems), but Pidgin doesn't
manage notifications without this plugin installed, so can i compare "them"?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...

[Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset]

>
> For me the MOST important function would be support for older machines.

We have to start from one fact: if Lubuntu can run in an acceptable way in
an old machine, it will run incredibly on a newer machine.

> Let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out)

For me, it's a problem of my video driver... so i'm not sure that it's
always a problem about Lubuntu

> Be efficient

And i would add that it has to be beautiful, and the artwork team is doing a
great job keeping both fronts in mind.

Also i would add that Lubuntu is a step forward to save the planet since:
- It's energy efficient
- You don't have to throw away your old machine, since it will revamp a
machine starting from a P2* and above giving you a full and ready to use
desktop in your own language.

* Other OS like Puppy Linux can do this, but THAT is a really stripped
distro...

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Add gucharmap to the default installed apps

[Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset]

2011/2/25 Yorvyk 

> On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:53:20 -
> Chris Druif  wrote:
>
> > Hai everyone,
> >
> > Seeing we are trying to bring the Ubuntu feeling to LXDE, we should try
> > to give the "full" experience, but lightweight. Seeing Ubuntu comes with
> > a character map installed, I would like to suggest that Lubuntu also
> > comes installed with an character map. Seeing gucharmap (ubuntu's
> > default) doesn't require any addition dependencies and should take 561kB
> > on disk.
> >
> > It was discussed in the latest meeting, and gilir suggested to put it on
> > the mailing-list to check if anyone was against the addition, so let
> > yourself be heard if you do.
> >
> Not something I use very often, but is useful occasionally.
>
>
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Some users need it... like me for doing my documents that have characters
used in math classes.
It seems to me a great idea for bringing a "full desktop experience" like
Chris said!

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...

[PYROcomp]

- You don't have to throw away your old machine, since it will revamp
a machine starting from a P2* and above giving you a full and ready to use
desktop in your own language.


Does the 11.04 edition in fact run on P2s?   As I understand it support for
old CPUs was dropped from the latest kernels...


Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...

[Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset]

Well, at least 10.04 runs well on it... don't know if there's any project to
compile kernels for old cpus...

2011/2/25 PYROcomp 

> - You don't have to throw away your old machine, since it will
> revamp a machine starting from a P2* and above giving you a full and ready
> to use desktop in your own language.
> 
>
> Does the 11.04 edition in fact run on P2s?   As I understand it support for
> old CPUs was dropped from the latest kernels...
>
>
> Regards,
> REXMO
>
>


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[Lubuntu-desktop] CPUs Lubuntu 11.04 (i386) will run on (was: Re: Ask yourself...)

[Jonathan Marsden]

On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:08:17 -0600 PYROcomp  wrote:

> Does the 11.04 edition in fact run on P2s?

Yes.

> As I understand it support for old CPUs was dropped from the latest kernels...

Maybe we need to add this to the Lubuntu FAQ, or something.  It is already on 
the main Lubntu wiki page, but seems to be either not being read, or not being 
understood?

If you feel that you were mislead by unclear wording on the wiki page at 

  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu

please say so, and suggest clearer wording we can use.  Thanks!

More detailed explanation:

The Intel CPU architecture that was dropped was the i586 architecture.  So 
Pentium I, and its relatives including VIA C3, AMD K6, National Semiconductor 
and AMD Geode, need to stick with 10.04.  

Pentium II is a P6 "i686" architecture chip, and so should be fine with 11.04.  
See 

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_%28microarchitecture%29#P6_based_chips

for a list of i686 architechture CPU families.  If anyone still has a working 
Pentium Pro machine, it should work fine with (L)Ubuntu 11.04, too :)

Jonathan

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...

[Benny Hult]

On 02/25/2011 09:12 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset wrote:
Well, at least 10.04 runs well on it... don't know if there's any 
project to compile kernels for old cpus...


2011/2/25 PYROcomp mailto:rexmo...@gmail.com>>

- You don't have to throw away your old machine, since it
will revamp a machine starting from a P2* and above giving you a
full and ready to use desktop in your own language.


Does the 11.04 edition in fact run on P2s?   As I understand it
support for old CPUs was dropped from the latest kernels...


Regards,
REXMO




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Pentium II and PRO (plus Celeron ;) are i686 (P6 microarchitecture).
Pentium (MMX) is a i586. Which is still supported by 10.04 for 5 years, 
or is it now 4 years left ;)


AMD K6-(II/III) are i586, Duron and Athlon are  i686.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] CPUs Lubuntu 11.04 (i386) will run on (was: Re: Ask yourself...)

[PYROcomp]

> > Does the 11.04 edition in fact run on P2s?
>
> Yes.
>
> > As I understand it support for old CPUs was dropped from the latest
> kernels...
>
> Maybe we need to add this to the Lubuntu FAQ, or something.  It is already
> on the main Lubntu wiki page, but seems to be either not being read, or not
> being understood?
>
> If you feel that you were mislead by unclear wording on the wiki page at
>
>  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
>
> please say so, and suggest clearer wording we can use.  Thanks!
>

This is a REXMO FAIL,  sorry .  I will in future read the wiki closely.


>
> More detailed explanation:
>
> The Intel CPU architecture that was dropped was the i586 architecture.  So
> Pentium I, and its relatives including VIA C3, AMD K6, National
> Semiconductor and AMD Geode, need to stick with 10.04.
>
> Pentium II is a P6 "i686" architecture chip, and so should be fine with
> 11.04.  See
>
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_%28microarchitecture%29#P6_based_chips
>
> for a list of i686 architechture CPU families.  If anyone still has a
> working Pentium Pro machine, it should work fine with (L)Ubuntu 11.04, too
> :)
>
> Jonathan
>

Perhaps this would be a worthwhile project:  compiling support for i586?
Let me know,  if there is enough belief in support for i586 I will suggest
it to the sl4mm3r5 group.

I for one,  +1

Best,
REXMO
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Add gucharmap to the default installed apps

[Jorge Andrés Alvarez Oré]

I think it's very useful. For example for windows users that are accustomed
to Alt + xx (like me), or when you need to write a strange character or when
you don't know the unicode code of a character.

Something else, when i do a  in my Lubuntu
10.10 the output is (sorry, i don't want to translate everything):
Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
Creando árbol de dependencias
Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho
Se instalarán los siguientes paquetes extras:
libgucharmap7
Se instalarán los siguientes paquetes NUEVOS:*   (packsges to be
instaled)*
*gucharmap libgucharmap7*
0 actualizados, 2 se instalarán, 0 para eliminar y 0 no actualizados.
Necesito descargar *(download) 1336kB* de archivos.
Se utilizarán *(need after installed) 4137kB* de espacio de disco adicional
después de esta operación.

2011/2/25 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset 

> 2011/2/25 Yorvyk 
>
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:53:20 -
>> Chris Druif  wrote:
>>
>> > Hai everyone,
>> >
>> > Seeing we are trying to bring the Ubuntu feeling to LXDE, we should try
>> > to give the "full" experience, but lightweight. Seeing Ubuntu comes with
>> > a character map installed, I would like to suggest that Lubuntu also
>> > comes installed with an character map. Seeing gucharmap (ubuntu's
>> > default) doesn't require any addition dependencies and should take 561kB
>> > on disk.
>> >
>> > It was discussed in the latest meeting, and gilir suggested to put it on
>> > the mailing-list to check if anyone was against the addition, so let
>> > yourself be heard if you do.
>> >
>> Not something I use very often, but is useful occasionally.
>>
>>
>> --
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>
>
> Some users need it... like me for doing my documents that have characters
> used in math classes.
> It seems to me a great idea for bringing a "full desktop experience" like
> Chris said!
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...

[Yorvyk]

On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:08:17 -0600
PYROcomp  wrote:

> - You don't have to throw away your old machine, since it will revamp
> a machine starting from a P2* and above giving you a full and ready to use
> desktop in your own language.
> 
> 
> Does the 11.04 edition in fact run on P2s?   As I understand it support for
> old CPUs was dropped from the latest kernels...
> 
> 
>From 10.10 the 32 bit version was/is compiled for i686 instruction set which 
>was first introduced with the Pentium.  There are also more modern CPU's like 
>the Geode and XCore86 that are not fully i686 compatible and require software 
>compiled for i586 or early, so need to be used with 10.04.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] No sound output to HDMI

[(Rafael Laguna)]

I've read about it here:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1332261

Hope it works for you.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] No sound output to HDMI

[Tim Bernhard]

Thanks!  I'll try that when I get home tonight.  I thought I might need to
read up on alsamixer.  I didn't know about the "m" switch. Hopefully this
will work.

Does anyone know off the top of their head what package I can add to gain
access to the system sound setting via the main menu?

I would like something GUI.  I'm almost positive UNR 9.10 had something in
it that I used once in a while.

Also, could such a package be included in future Lubuntu distros?

Thanks,

Tim

2011/2/25 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 

>  I've read about it here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1332261
>
> Hope it works for you.
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Menu

[Yorvyk]

These are just an annoyances that I can't get used to.

Could System Tools and Preferences be placed in alphabetical order please, then 
the menu will be very nearly spot on.

The menu icon.  It's very nice but, there appears to be a lack of contrast or 
something.  It looks like it's been left in a shop window for years and faded.  
I just can't put my finger on the problem but, it just doesn't work for me.

I have not said anything earlier about these things as I wanted to give them 
time to see if they became less of an irritation.  Sadly they haven't and they 
somehow detract from the generally 'slicker' feel that Natty is starting to 
show.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] CPUs Lubuntu 11.04 (i386) will run on

[Jonathan Marsden]

On 25 Feb 2011 13:52:19 -0600, PYROcomp  wrote:

> Perhaps this would be a worthwhile project:  compiling support for i586?
> Let me know,  if there is enough belief in support for i586 I will suggest
> it to the sl4mm3r5 group.

Wow!  Do you have any idea of the time it would take to recompile every
single package in the entire Ubuntu repository set for i586, and then
test them all for correctness??  And then either persuade Ubuntu to let
us add that entire set of binary packages to their repositories somehow,
or else set up our own parallel set of repositories?  We're looking at
tens of thousands of packages here...  your group had better be both
large, and very competent, if you want to do that.

I think that's a little ambitious, but if you have the expertize and
resources to attempt it, go for it, I'll definitely watch with interest
to see how you progress :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] CPUs Lubuntu 11.04 (i386) will run on

[Yorvyk]

On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:04:09 -0800
Jonathan Marsden  wrote:

> On 25 Feb 2011 13:52:19 -0600, PYROcomp  wrote:
> 
> > Perhaps this would be a worthwhile project:  compiling support for i586?
> > Let me know,  if there is enough belief in support for i586 I will suggest
> > it to the sl4mm3r5 group.
> 
> Wow!  Do you have any idea of the time it would take to recompile every
> single package in the entire Ubuntu repository set for i586, and then
> test them all for correctness??  And then either persuade Ubuntu to let
> us add that entire set of binary packages to their repositories somehow,
> or else set up our own parallel set of repositories?  We're looking at
> tens of thousands of packages here...  your group had better be both
> large, and very competent, if you want to do that.
> 
> I think that's a little ambitious, but if you have the expertize and
> resources to attempt it, go for it, I'll definitely watch with interest
> to see how you progress :)
> 
The current intention is to maintain 10.04 via a PPA with the latest versions 
of the LXDE components (PCManFM, lxpanel, etc.).  This will give us another 
couple of years to see if a solution can be found.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] No sound output to HDMI

[(Rafael Laguna)]

Well, I usually do this with gnome-alsa-mixer (just a front-end). Now
even you have a PulseAudio equalizer using a PPA. Try this (single line)
in a terminal:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:psyke83/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo
apt-get install -y pulseaudio-equalizer

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] No sound output to HDMI

[Tim Bernhard]

Thanks!  I'll play with it this weekend and report back.

Tim

2011/2/25 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) 

>  Well, I usually do this with gnome-alsa-mixer (just a front-end). Now even
> you have a PulseAudio equalizer using a PPA. Try this (single line) in a
> terminal:
>
> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:psyke83/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing help/docs

[Yorvyk]

On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:11:12 +0100
Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le vendredi 25 février 2011 à 12:35 +, Yorvyk a écrit :
> > Sylpheed - sylpheed-doc not installed.
> Good catch, should be included (I'll fix it)
I've created bugs for these just as a reminder. This bug 725267

> 
> > Mtpaint - the program is unable to find the documentation so either it
> > is not installed or in the wrong place.
> Please report a bug.
bug 725277

> 
> > Gnumeric - yelp not installed.
> Yes, but we need some Lubuntu specific documentation to put in yelp, or
> we will have the Ubuntu documentation, which could not be appropriate :)
Bug #725292

I had a look at installing Yelp and it doesn't half drag some other stuff in, 
this may need some looking at.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Menu

[Julien Lavergne]

Le vendredi 25 février 2011 à 20:59 +, Yorvyk a écrit :
> Could System Tools and Preferences be placed in alphabetical order please, 
> then the menu will be very nearly spot on.
You mean the 2 sub-menus itself, of the contents of each menu ?

> The menu icon.  It's very nice but, there appears to be a lack of contrast or 
> something.  It looks like it's been left in a shop window for years and 
> faded.  I just can't put my finger on the problem but, it just doesn't work 
> for me.
Is it with all themes, or just the default one ? I don't understand what
is the problem here.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] No sound output to HDMI

[Julien Lavergne]

Le vendredi 25 février 2011 à 15:56 -0500, Tim Bernhard a écrit :
> Also, could such a package be included in future Lubuntu distros?

Most of people doesn't deal with all the details of the sound. They just
want up and down for the level :)

Currently, I found 2 GUI for the sound management :
- gnome-alsmixer, but it's old, depends on old libraries, and it's not
maintained
- gamix, I don't like the UI, but it's seems to work

I'm not a real fan of the 2 previous solutions. If we can find a good
program to manage ALSA with a GTK UI, we could discuss the inclusion of
it.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Inclusion of guvciew

[Julien Lavergne]

Hi,

With the removal of cheese, we have nothing to test a webcam, especially
on the live-cd.
Someone proposed to include guvcview. It seems to be a good choice :
quite simple and not too much dependencies.

Did someone already test it ? I don't have a webcam, I'll be glad if
someone have feedbacks about it :)

Thanks.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Menu

[Yorvyk]

On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:25:38 +0100
Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le vendredi 25 février 2011 à 20:59 +, Yorvyk a écrit :
> > Could System Tools and Preferences be placed in alphabetical order please, 
> > then the menu will be very nearly spot on.
> You mean the 2 sub-menus itself, of the contents of each menu ?
The two sub-menus, so the menu looks like this:

Accessories
Games
Graphics
Internet
Office
Sound & Video
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Preferences
System Tools
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Run
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Logout





> 
> > The menu icon.  It's very nice but, there appears to be a lack of contrast 
> > or something.  It looks like it's been left in a shop window for years and 
> > faded.  I just can't put my finger on the problem but, it just doesn't work 
> > for me.
> Is it with all themes, or just the default one ? I don't understand what
> is the problem here.
> 
The new one, Ozone, for Natty.  Maybe it could do to be a little bit darker.   
As I say it could just be me, especially if nobody else has a problem with it.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Menu

[Phil Lockhart]

Got to agree with Yorvyk on the menu icon lacking something.  I find it
a little difficult to see on my test machine's monitor.
On Fri, 2011-02-25 at 20:59 +, Yorvyk wrote:
> These are just an annoyances that I can't get used to.
> 
> Could System Tools and Preferences be placed in alphabetical order please, 
> then the menu will be very nearly spot on.
> 
> The menu icon.  It's very nice but, there appears to be a lack of contrast or 
> something.  It looks like it's been left in a shop window for years and 
> faded.  I just can't put my finger on the problem but, it just doesn't work 
> for me.
> 
> I have not said anything earlier about these things as I wanted to give them 
> time to see if they became less of an irritation.  Sadly they haven't and 
> they somehow detract from the generally 'slicker' feel that Natty is starting 
> to show.
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Menu

[Phil Lockhart]

sorry, I mean the Ozone menu icon.  I've fallen back to the default as
it's easier to see
On Fri, 2011-02-25 at 23:25 +0100, Julien Lavergne wrote:
> Le vendredi 25 février 2011 à 20:59 +, Yorvyk a écrit :
> > Could System Tools and Preferences be placed in alphabetical order please, 
> > then the menu will be very nearly spot on.
> You mean the 2 sub-menus itself, of the contents of each menu ?
> 
> > The menu icon.  It's very nice but, there appears to be a lack of contrast 
> > or something.  It looks like it's been left in a shop window for years and 
> > faded.  I just can't put my finger on the problem but, it just doesn't work 
> > for me.
> Is it with all themes, or just the default one ? I don't understand what
> is the problem here.
> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
> 
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can anyone remove from lubuntu mail list

[Phill Whiteside]

Hiyas Lee,

Sadly I cannot, if you go to https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop when
logged on, you can remove yourself.

regards,

Phill.

On 25 February 2011 16:51, Lee Gold  wrote:

> If anyone - a moderator can remove me from the lubuntu mail list, please
>  do so. I have no luck using the launchpad site and find it quite buggy.
>
> Thanks
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] CPUs Lubuntu 11.04 (i386) will run on

[Phill Whiteside]

Hiyas Jonatahan,

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System requirements sums up the decision
taken. stuff will need 'back-porting' but it is not an insurmountable task.
The kernel is also supported as an LTS, so we have pleantly of time :)
Dropping this onto such a small team as Lubuntu is was not 'pleasant', but
everyone commited immediatetly to support the i585 series as an LTS, even
though 10.04 was a 'stable beta'.

Regards,

Phill.

On 25 February 2011 21:04, Jonathan Marsden  wrote:

> On 25 Feb 2011 13:52:19 -0600, PYROcomp  wrote:
>
> > Perhaps this would be a worthwhile project:  compiling support for i586?
> > Let me know,  if there is enough belief in support for i586 I will
> suggest
> > it to the sl4mm3r5 group.
>
> Wow!  Do you have any idea of the time it would take to recompile every
> single package in the entire Ubuntu repository set for i586, and then
> test them all for correctness??  And then either persuade Ubuntu to let
> us add that entire set of binary packages to their repositories somehow,
> or else set up our own parallel set of repositories?  We're looking at
> tens of thousands of packages here...  your group had better be both
> large, and very competent, if you want to do that.
>
> I think that's a little ambitious, but if you have the expertize and
> resources to attempt it, go for it, I'll definitely watch with interest
> to see how you progress :)
>
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