Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu-11.04.iso (wubi support?)
Leo, On 05/01/2011 06:15 AM, Leo Allen wrote: I did not do any beta versions, so I am not sure wether wubi worked with them or not. OK. It looks as though wubi wasn't tested, and so probably doesn't work. We need to add wubi to the list of things to test for Lubuntu 11.10, so we don't make the same mistake then that we seem to have made this time! But that doesn't help you right now. You mention to try as a normal graphical installer - is there a particular file I need to point to to begin the installation? No. Instead, you would just boot the computer from the Lubuntu CD. Put the Lubuntu CD in the drive, then reboot the computer. That will (usually) automatically run the install menu from the CD. Windows (or any other operating system on your hard disk) never even has a chance to even start to run, if you do this :) If doing that still runs Windows, you might have to press F10 or F12 as the computer starts up so it will offer a little boot menu from which you can choose to boot from CD. (You can change CMOS settings instead, but that's a bit more complex to describe). This is being installed on a Windows XP Pro system (as I've found with other Linux versions, XP is the most friendly). OK... Do you want to keep your XP Pro installation and files intact, or are you planning to wipe it out and replace it with Lubuntu? Or, do you want to repartition the hard drive so that (for example) half the disk space is for XP Pro, and half is for Linux? Do you have a good up to date backup of the Windows installation and all your files, somewhere not on that same PC? If not, creating such a backup is a good idea, as a precaution (against hardware issues or other accidents, as well as against making mistakes when trying to share the disk between Windows and Lubuntu). So if you are going to share the PC between Windows and Lubuntu, it would be wise to take the time to make a good full backup of the machine as it is now, before you do anything else. Just in case :) Wubi is (in my biased opinion!) a somewhat odd hybrid installation approach, that installs Linux (Lubuntu, if it worked) into some big files inside Windows... but that is not the usual way to install any Linux distribution. I'm anxious to give Lubuntu a try ... Good :) If you are a newcomer, the safest way is to attempt that first try on an older machine dedicated to that purpose. One you have no files or programs on that you care about. That way, you *know* you can't accidentally remove your main working copy of Windows and all the files in it that you wanted to keep :) If you do not have a spare old machine for that sort of windows-free testing, there are several other alternatives. Which one is best depends on your experience level, and the capabilities of the machine you are trying to share between Lubuntu and Windows. On modern PCs with a few GB of RAM and a multicore CPU, running VirtualBox inside Windows, and installing Lubuntu as a virtual machine under VirtualBox can work very well, but on older PCs it is impractical. - I tried the much-hyped Kubuntu and felt that it is to Linux what Vista is to Windows! That sounds as though you have an old-ish PC, or one with limited RAM. Lubuntu is designed specifically to be useful on such older PCs; however, it is not necessarily designed to be ultra-easy for beginners to use on older PCs while also keeping Windows on those same PCs. To be able to offer a specific try Lubuntu *this* way suggestion for you, other than try it out on a dedicated test PC, it would help to know what sort of PC you are wanting to run Lubuntu on: * make and model if it is a well known brand * CPU type and speed * how much RAM the machine has * how big a hard disk it has * whether you are comfortable repartitioning it to free up some space dedicated to use by Lubuntu. Hoping this helps and doesn't seem *too* complicated! Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu and updates (wiki standards)
Jared, Earlier I asked: What is the correct way to have both a #title line and tags on the same page? A page on which this is currently attempted (but not really working) is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/StyleGuide On 05/01/2011 02:17 PM, Jared Norris wrote: I spent an hour trying to solve this and the best I can come up with is that that page is referencing a help.u.c link (Tag/ContentCleanup) from within a wiki.u.c site ... Ah, OK, that is an issue for the person who added the tags (undifined) not me messing up when adding the #title line, then :) I suppose this leads to a higher level question: is there a common (standardized?) set of tags that work on both wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com, and where is that tag set documented? Can we *really* add docbook markup tags to wiki pages and expect them to do the right thing? The documentation team is not just about wiki pages. That's understood, but the StyleGuide tells us itself that it applies to the help.ubuntu.com wiki, saying on that first page linked to above, under the heading Style Guide Applicability and Precedence, that: The Documentation Team also takes care of the documentation wiki, to which the style guide also applies. So if it fully applies... that would mean one can use docbook markup in the wiki! I suspect that sentence needs editing to exclude docbook-specific things in the StyleGuide? BTW, I used to be fully DocBook-capable, with Emacs + sgml-mode + jade and all that stuff... but that was about 8 years ago, I've forgotten a lot of it now :) So this information is put up on the wiki but actually refers to their work in the DocBook documentation. The StyleGuide itself says otherwise, and so should be edited if you are correct that it no longer applies to help.ubuntu.com wiki materials. Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] system requirements (workaround created!)
My workaround works! Replying to myself: On 05/01/2011 12:29 AM, Jonathan Marsden wrote: There is a file within the Lubuntu 11.04 ISO called casper/filesystem.size but it seems to be unchanged since 2010-09-06 and I don't yet know what if anything actually uses it :) Based on Julien's very handy pointer to the commit that broke this for us, I just edited the file casper/filesystem.size in the Lubuntu 11.04 ISO image to say 137000 (a round-ish number about half the value that was previously in the file, plus 50MB as a safety margin!) and then updated the md5sum.txt file to reflect that edit, and created myself a modified ISO image from the result. That's a pretty trivial change, but, unlike the official 11.04 image, it installs and runs fine in a 3GB virtual disk, at least in my initial testing here (under VirtualBox 4.0.6). So, we seem to have a code-free workaround :) I suspect the number could be lowered to around 9 for a 1.8GB size check, but I have not tested that yet. I can make this hacked ISO available for download, but it is a bit 'dubious' at this point from a support point of view, since it does not 'say' anywhere in its menus etc. that I modified it! I need it to refer to itself as 11.04.jm1 or something, so it is clearly not the official Lubuntu 11.04 version, if there is going to be much use of it. If anyone has an urgent need for this ISO image, let me know. It is now 1am here, and I have to go to work tomorrow (today!!) so I don't have time to create the .jm1 identified image right now... I need some sleep :) Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] system requirements (workaround created!)
On 2 May 2011 04:30, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote: Based on Julien's very handy pointer to the commit that broke this for us, I just edited the file casper/filesystem.size in the Lubuntu 11.04 ISO image to say 137000 (a round-ish number about half the value that was previously in the file, plus 50MB as a safety margin!) and then updated the md5sum.txt file to reflect that edit, and created myself a modified ISO image from the result. That's a pretty trivial change, but, unlike the official 11.04 image, it installs and runs fine in a 3GB virtual disk, at least in my initial testing here (under VirtualBox 4.0.6). So, we seem to have a code-free workaround :) I suspect the number could be lowered to around 9 for a 1.8GB size check, but I have not tested that yet. Be careful about how low you set the number. It can make it difficult to install any additional software and likely more worrying, it can be impossible to upgrade if there is not space to download and unpack the updates. Jeremy Bicha ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] system requirements (workaround created!)
2011/5/2 Jeremy Bicha jer...@bicha.net Be careful about how low you set the number. It can make it difficult to install any additional software and likely more worrying, it can be impossible to upgrade if there is not space to download and unpack the updates. I think that the important thing for an old computer (i don't think that this problem could exist on new hardware) is to be able tu run some office apps, surf the internet and be able to be a stable post; this said, i don't think that for that would be required a Lubuntu-very-hard apps modification (the selection of apps for this is perfect). In my experience i leave in my laptop a 6gb partition for the system and it runs just fine (with 4gb free, sort of). But i have very different apps for lubuntu, and i'm always erasing old kernels and cleaning app data for install (just because i don't like junk being around). Conclude yourselves. Ps: is there a way to launch periodiquelly sudo apt-get clean on lubuntu? also why it keep all the kernels? that's tones of hard disk space for a little hard drive... maybe lubuntu should have a way to do a little cleaning :) Regards, -- jpxsat ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cd wallet
Jared, They grey cd is for lightscribe if I'm not mistaken. By the way, can Rafael also put them on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing ? Thanks. With metta, Chris Druif On 05/02/2011 12:01:49 AM, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com,Lubuntu Desktop mailing wrote: Rafael, As always your attention to detail is outstanding. I personally prefer the blue CD but they are both amazing. Well done, keep up the great work. Regards, Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) [1]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris 2011/4/30 神癒�湖 (Rafael Laguna) [2]rafaellag...@gmail.com Hello, boys and girls. Here's the wallet. Lubuntu style, not Canonical style. Any changes / suggestions / ideas / hates? Vote, baby, vote (a Deee-Lite song). -- [3][] [] [4][] ___ Mailing list: [5]https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to   : [6]lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : [7]https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help  : [8]https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp --485b397dd703e0d3c404a23c9207-- References 1. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris 2. mailto:rafaellag...@gmail.com 3. http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/ 4. http://www.lubuntu.net/ 5. https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop 6. mailto:lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net 7. https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop 8. https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] New header
Aloha tout moun, I've spend the afternoon making a new, more modern header for the wiki and help pages. To check it out, head over to [1] which will show a comparison between my new and the current header. In the bottom you see the base for the new header, the UBT header. If you miss any links in the new header or have suggestions, please share them with me. I would be very honored if you wanted to use my header. With metta, Chris Druif [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MrChrisDruif/Sandbox ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu-11.04.iso (wubi support?)
On 05/02/2011 07:40 AM, Leo Allen wrote: I've been testing disturbutions for a few years now. However, I only recently heard about Lubuntu - I was speaking to a fellow techie and he mentioned it, so of course I was interested! Thanks for all your help and info! Sorry if I wasted any of your time with such a noob over sight! No problem. You have identified a gap in our testing, which is important for our next release -- so thanks for doing that for us :) Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cd wallet
I'll upload them to marketing wiki, but I need your aproval first ;) El dilluns 2 de maig de 2011, Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com ha escrit: Jared, They grey cd is for lightscribe if I'm not mistaken. By the way, can Rafael also put them on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing ? Thanks. With metta, Chris Druif On 05/02/2011 12:01:49 AM, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com,Lubuntu Desktop mailing wrote: Rafael, As always your attention to detail is outstanding. I personally prefer the blue CD but they are both amazing. Well done, keep up the great work. Regards, Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych) [1]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris 2011/4/30 神癒�湖 (Rafael Laguna) [2]rafaellag...@gmail.com Hello, boys and girls. Here's the wallet. Lubuntu style, not Canonical style. Any changes / suggestions / ideas / hates? Vote, baby, vote (a Deee-Lite song). -- [3][] [] [4][] ___ Mailing list: [5]https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to   : [6]lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : [7]https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help  : [8]https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp --485b397dd703e0d3c404a23c9207-- References 1. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris 2. mailto:rafaellag...@gmail.com 3. http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/ 4. http://www.lubuntu.net/ 5. https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop 6. mailto:lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net 7. https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop 8. https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/ http://www.lubuntu.net/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Uninstalled package asks for updates in update manager
Hi, Three questions or issues, Using Lubuntu 10.10. I've uninstalled Apache through Synaptic (I also previously installed it through Synaptic) - so Apache is not istalled - but when the update manager runs it offers many updates related to Apache. I installed Lighttd server in it's place. Why do I get offered Apache updates? It's very confusing when the update manager shows this. Could there be any residue, left over config in my home directory causing this? In maybe a related event upon logging in I had options related with my home dir config that I had deleted days ago. Eg. my Geany editor syntax colors were changed to something I tried then deleted days ago. It seemed that anything related to home config had a hiccup. Something I put in the bash config file a few days ago to deactivate the caps lock key was not working. Very strange, I rebooted and everything's OK now - I can not recreate the problem... When I am in the (not sure what it's called) at the very top of a window theres usually x _ and box, x will close the window, _ will minimize - the top colored tool bar of a window. When I place my cursor there and with the laptop scroll area strip begin to scroll the whole window rolls up and down according to the scrolling. How do I disable this? There's a config file for this but I'm not sure what to edit. Thanks, Lee G. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Strange issue of unwanted jpeg in terminal window
Hi, Further weirdness. A picture jpeg that I viewed in my firefox browser is now showing up when I open a terminal?! The terminal opens and a fragment of the picture is in the terminal background window. Also as I'm browsing the web this picture will show up in the firefox window like half obscuring the window. It's really bizarre! I rebooted and it stopped. I'm doing a lot of LAMP localhost intense work on my laptop, testing pages with a local LAMP stack - using Lighttpd instead of Apache... The Lubuntu 10.10 seems to progressively having strange issues which rebooting seems to temporarily fix... Thanks, Lee G. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New header
Le Monday 02 May 2011 à 17:49 +0200, Chris a écrit : I've spend the afternoon making a new, more modern header for the wiki and help pages. To check it out, head over to [1] which will show a comparison between my new and the current header. In the bottom you see the base for the new header, the UBT header. If you miss any links in the new header or have suggestions, please share them with me. I would be very honored if you wanted to use my header. Very nice :) Adding quick links to Artwork, Translation ... is a good idea. But I can't see the logos (broken links). Also, I think it's a bit too big. On small screen, it will take too much space IMO. For example, the one on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu is small enough IMO. What other people from documumentation think ? Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New header
Both wiki's fit in a 1024 width screen the logo's for a new header might need to be remade anyway I think. Font size is alright with me. great job Chris What would be a small screen for you Julien ? 2011/5/2 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com: Le Monday 02 May 2011 à 17:49 +0200, Chris a écrit : I've spend the afternoon making a new, more modern header for the wiki and help pages. To check it out, head over to [1] which will show a comparison between my new and the current header. In the bottom you see the base for the new header, the UBT header. If you miss any links in the new header or have suggestions, please share them with me. I would be very honored if you wanted to use my header. Very nice :) Adding quick links to Artwork, Translation ... is a good idea. But I can't see the logos (broken links). Also, I think it's a bit too big. On small screen, it will take too much space IMO. For example, the one on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu is small enough IMO. What other people from documumentation think ? Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Keimpe de Jong (UndiFineD) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New header
Aloha tout moun, Julien, I think you meant with too big that it's too high. As I'm clueless as to how we could split the sub-teams up into two Blocks. As that block become 5 high, it's no use making the other block smaller, would only look weird/ugly. The dark blue top can be made half it's height (better put, the height of the font), so that would make it a bit lower. But that's just marginally smaller. About the logo's I can be short: they are attachments and not links to online images and I didn't upload images to those attachments. I've updated the banner to be smaller in height and uploaded one image to the attachment of the Main block. Check again here [1] and give m your opinions. Note: second logo is still broken as in nothing uploaded. Need too look for a proper image for there. With metta, Chris Druif [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MrChrisDruif/Sandbox On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 22:38, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le Monday 02 May 2011 à 21:47 +0200, UndiFineD a écrit : What would be a small screen for you Julien ? A eeePC 701, 800x480 :) Note that it's not a blocker, just a note :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] system requirements (periodic disk cleanup)
On Mon, 2 May 2011, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com wrote: is there a way to launch periodiquelly sudo apt-get clean on lubuntu? cron exists on Lubuntu, so yes. Do you want to know what the way *is*, too? :) Just do something like: echo apt-get clean |sudo tee /etc/cron.weekly/aptclean sudo chmod 0755 /etc/cron.weekly/aptclean and your system will run that command (as root) once a week (at 06:47 AM on Sundays, if you really need to know the details!). Of course, you must make sure the system is powered on and running Lubuntu at that time every Sunday for this to be useful. also why it keep all the kernels? that's tones of hard disk space for a little hard drive... maybe lubuntu should have a way to do a little cleaning :) Deleting old kernels is more controversial, because you cannot be 100% sure the latest installed kernel works perfectly on your machine. There are some little shell scripts around that do this, which you could add to /etc/cron.monthly/ if you wish. Neither of these are Lubuntu-specific, incidentally. Jonathan -- Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] system requirements (workaround created!)
On Mon, 2 May 2011, Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote: We would need to find a more permanent I think, but until then your ISO would be a great alternative for people with small discs. OK, my tweaked Lubuntu ISO that installs to smaller disks than the official one is now available for download at ftp://ftp.jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-11.04.jm1.iso It's md5sum is available as ftp://ftp.jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-11.04.jm1.iso.md5 NOTE: Even though the change I made was very small, this is an unofficial test ISO. If it somehow breaks your PC, eats your cat, elopes with your girlfriend, or otherwise misbehaves, neither I nor Ubuntu will accept any liability for that :) Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Uninstalled package asks for updates in update manager
Lee, On Mon, 02 May 2011 Lee Gold leeg...@operamail.com wrote: Using Lubuntu 10.10. I've uninstalled Apache through Synaptic (I also previously installed it through Synaptic) - so Apache is not istalled - but when the update manager runs it offers many updates related to Apache. Apache comes in many packages. Are you sure you uninstalled all of them? I suspect some remain installed on your system and so are being updated. What does dpkg -l apache\* libapache\* |grep ^ii output? This should be a list of packages starting with the text apache or libapache that are still installed on your machine. If appropriate, you can then sudo apt-get purge any such packages that you do not want on your machine any longer. Could there be any residue, left over config in my home directory causing this? Not in your home directory, but in the package database :) In maybe a related event upon logging in I had options related with my home dir config that I had deleted days ago. ... I can not recreate the problem... If you cannot recreate it, the chances anyone else will be able to help you with it are very low. When I am in the (not sure what it's called) at the very top of a window theres usually x _ and box, x will close the window, _ will minimize - the top colored tool bar of a window. When I place my cursor there and with the laptop scroll area strip begin to scroll the whole window rolls up and down according to the scrolling. How do I disable this? I'll leave this one for others to answer. Incidentally, it is usually easier for those helping you if you report one issue per email or per bug report :) Jonathan -- Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
