Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] autogenerating pcmanfm LINGUAS file
On 06/18/2011 10:16 PM, PCMan wrote: Regarding to the LINGUAS file, we have a special issue here. ... Yes, when I did the bzr recipe to package from the git sources more directly I discovered that automation. So perhaps the earlier patch was historical -- created before the automated approach was used, or else the Debian packaging did not pick up and use the automation. Cons: 1. If some newly added po files are broken, this automatically breaks the build process. This is not necessarily a con :) We want to know as soon as someone does something to the official master repository that breaks it! 2. Some translation with bad quality becomes available before they're well-tested. Current approach is very convenient, but later proven to be problematic sometimes if there are some broken po files added to the repo. Perhaps whoever adds the .po files should also test them? Or if this is 100% automated, then perhaps we/you/someone needs to check a daily automated build to verify nothing bad has happened, or set up an automated alert email to be sent to you if it breaks? So, should we change it? As long as it works, I'd say keep it. Obviously any source tarball releases will have their contents tested anyway, and if there are some broken .po files in the git head at the time of such a release, they can be excluded from the tarball easily enough, I would think. You could even set their export-ignore attribute in git until they are fixed, if you want to make that exclusion more automated. Any comments? I'd say keep it automated, use daily builds to check for breakage, and set export-ignore on any badly broken .po files, so they do not get included in release tarballs, or come up with some similar scheme to exclude them. Jonathan P.S. At last, my automated pcmanfm build for Natty i386 just succeeded in my jmarsden/lubuntu PPA :) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, PCMan wrote: Cons: 1. If some newly added po files are broken, this automatically breaks the build process. I see this as a pro rather than a con. I do builds of git HEAD within 120 minutes after a change enters the master branch (during my wokring hours and when I am not away ofc). This is intended to be more automated but I haven't really seen the absolute need. As I am almost always part of adding new PO files I blame myself and fixes the issues when I see them. 2. Some translation with bad quality becomes available before they're well-tested. This is always a problem and can also be part of long standing translations that don't get proper reviews and such. Current approach is very convenient, but later proven to be problematic sometimes if there are some broken po files added to the repo. So, should we change it? If we do change it, I hope that our translation coordinator can help maintain the LINGUAS files for all LXDE components to keep them up to date. Any comments? I rather not maitain a LINGUAS file. It was a PITA when we did that back then. Some benefits but more administration. -- /brother http://martin.bagge.nu Bruce Schneier once killed a man using only linear cryptanalysis. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] autogenerating pcmanfm LINGUAS file
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Jonathan Marsden wrote: Perhaps whoever adds the .po files should also test them? Or if this is 100% automated, then perhaps we/you/someone needs to check a daily automated build to verify nothing bad has happened, or set up an automated alert email to be sent to you if it breaks? This is manual work and I like to keep it that way. Because of this there are untranslated work at the Pootle server that are not included in the git HEAD. -- /brother http://martin.bagge.nu A mystery wrapped in an Enigma is no more puzzling to Bruce Schneier than a mystery wrapped in ROT-13. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Is Bluetooth needed by default?
Does anybody actually use Bluetooth? Does it need to be on the default install? -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Is Bluetooth needed by default?
Le Sunday 19 June 2011 à 11:24 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit : Does anybody actually use Bluetooth? Does it need to be on the default install? Yes. If you have bluetooth keyboard and mouse, it could be problematic to not have it by default :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.
Le Saturday 18 June 2011 à 21:31 -0700, Jonathan Marsden a écrit : Option (2) happened, or is happening. My PPA at ppa:jmarsden/lubuntu now has libfm and pcmanfm versions for Natty 11.04, packages that you can help us test. They are being built from the upstream git development source code. Right now, the amd64 versions are already there, and the i386 build of pcmanfm should arrive in a couple of hours. So sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jmarsden/lubuntu sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install pcmanfm should get you a packaged pcmanfm you can test. Jonathan Could we push them to a shared PPA, like lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily ? I'll will set up the rest of lxde components to have fully daily build fo LXDE. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.
@ Jonathan and Julien, This sounds great. I'll try to check this out in the next couple of days: https://launchpad.net/~jmarsden/+archive/lubuntu A shared PPA, like lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily sounds like a great idea. I'm moving my home office ATM, LAN wiring is complete, but I may be tied up with this mess for a while. --- On Sun, 6/19/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release. To: Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm Cc: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com, lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Date: Sunday, June 19, 2011, 5:57 AM Le Saturday 18 June 2011 à 21:31 -0700, Jonathan Marsden a écrit : Option (2) happened, or is happening. My PPA at ppa:jmarsden/lubuntu now has libfm and pcmanfm versions for Natty 11.04, packages that you can help us test. They are being built from the upstream git development source code. Right now, the amd64 versions are already there, and the i386 build of pcmanfm should arrive in a couple of hours. So sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jmarsden/lubuntu sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install pcmanfm should get you a packaged pcmanfm you can test. Jonathan Could we push them to a shared PPA, like lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily ? I'll will set up the rest of lxde components to have fully daily build fo LXDE. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.
On 06/18/2011 10:07 PM, PCMan wrote: Add LINGUAS, reference doc files and libfm-pref-apps.desktop launcher: We do not translate desktop files directly. Neither do we commit the translated desktop files. OK... then this patch is not needed upstream. I'm not sure why it was done this way as a patch in the Debian packaging, in that case. Perhaps a historical artifact? We did the translation for desktop files in po files, and only put *.desktop.in files in git. I think I see what could have happened here; the package build process was not running all the autoconf tools the way autogen.sh does, and so it tried to work around that. I have very recently created some changed packaging files in lp:~lxde/pcmanfm/libfm-packaging which *do* run all the needed autoconf and intltoolize stuff, and that seems to work without the translated files being in the tree, because it generates them at build time. Ensure correct icon is used in panel. A better fix is to set the icon-name property for the window in GtkBuilder glade file instead. OK. I am more of a command-line person than a GUI programmer, the GTK UI stuff is relatively new to me. As I recall, I fixed the bug in the way Julien suggested it be fixed. There were several similar issues with icon names not being set in various LXDE-related tools. I fixed them all in a similar way to this, and those patches were accepted by Julien into the Ubuntu packaging. I can redo this in glade if that is the correct approach. I'm not really sure I understand the benefit of moving one line from code into a glade file, though. Add GLIB_LIBS when linking documentation. This seems to be fine, but I'm not sure which files should be pushed to git repo since some are generated files. This commit should have added exactly one line to exactly one file: docs/reference/libfm/Makefile.am The debian/patches/04_fix_docs_linker.patch file it was based on only affects that one line. If the commit did more than that, that was a mistake I made! As far as I can tell, it only changed that one line, see https://gitorious.org/lxde-jmarsden/libfm-jmarsden/commit/284a1640d146b7bc6483ebb0b02058a78e91 I *think* you should have been able to git cherrypick this commit directly into your master git repository, where it should have changed just that one file; that was my intention, at least. If that didn't work, then we should probably try to figure out why, so that we can do this kind of cooperation more smoothly next time. Disable deprecated gio code by default. This looks fine, but will this affect distros with older versions of glib? Possibly, I'm not sure. However, are new releases of pcmanfm intended for backporting to those older distros? I'm not sure this is an issue in practice for a new pcmanfm/libfm release, unless current development releases of major distros (Fedora, SuSE, Debian, ...) are still using older glib versions. Specify default terminal emulator (was: 01-lxde-conf.patch in Ubuntu The x-terminal-emulator thing IIRC is Debian-specific. So this better goes to debian package rather than upstream. OK, then yes, that should stay as a patch, in Debian/Ubuntu packaging. I'd definitely like to see the GLIB_LIBS change included upstream, as (I think) it will allow me to re-enable gtk-doc use in my test packages made from the libfm git sources. Removing the deprecated gio code would also be good to see, too, unless it will cause issues building libfm on other current distributions. I'll take a look at the glade change idea for the icon, but not this weekend. Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.
On 06/19/2011 03:57 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote: Could we push them to a shared PPA, like lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily ? Done :) Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Is Bluetooth needed by default?
Yes. -- Sent from my Palm Pre On Jun 19, 2011 6:36 AM, Yorvyk lt;yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comgt; wrote: Does anybody actually use Bluetooth? Does it need to be on the default install? -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Summarize of proposed changes on applications by default
No comment on the first point but agee with the other two. -- Sent from my Palm Pre On Jun 19, 2011 7:37 AM, 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) lt;rafaellag...@gmail.comgt; wrote: +1 here Fully agree. 1. LXDM is working really well. LightDM is not polished. 2. XChat is used by those who are members of something (coders, collaborators, corporate...) not by normal people. 3. Leafpad is enough. Remember that many of us use even nano on a console, that is more basic (except for the keystrokes). -- attachment: b3.pngattachment: b2.pngattachment: b1.png___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.
Gee, Goes to show how rusty I am when it comes down to testing!. As Jonathan knows (Thanks loads for helping me get my 'head round' VM's), I have finally gotten my Virtual Box up and running. Currently has 11-04 and 11-10 available. From discussions with JM, I have allocated 250GB of disk space for Virtual Machines so have plenty of room for additional ones. The other 250GB of that drive is not being used, come the point of wanting to test 'real life', then I will happily put on full installs onto that area. Please feel more than welcome to give me a set of instructions if anyone wants things testing out. Regards, Phill. P.S. I tried to think of a funky new name for IRC for when both main and virtual machines are running. I got as far as phillw-virtual :) On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le Sunday 19 June 2011 à 06:27 -0700, Jonathan Marsden a écrit : On 06/18/2011 10:07 PM, PCMan wrote: Add LINGUAS, reference doc files and libfm-pref-apps.desktop launcher: We do not translate desktop files directly. Neither do we commit the translated desktop files. Most likely a quick and dirty patch on Ubuntu packaging for the .desktop part :) Ensure correct icon is used in panel. A better fix is to set the icon-name property for the window in GtkBuilder glade file instead. OK. I am more of a command-line person than a GUI programmer, the GTK UI stuff is relatively new to me. As I recall, I fixed the bug in the way Julien suggested it be fixed. There were several similar issues with icon names not being set in various LXDE-related tools. I fixed them all in a similar way to this, and those patches were accepted by Julien into the Ubuntu packaging. I can redo this in glade if that is the correct approach. I'm not really sure I understand the benefit of moving one line from code into a glade file, though. Yes, it makes sense to keep all the UI magic in the glade/ui file. I wasn't aware that it can be done like this. Disable deprecated gio code by default. This looks fine, but will this affect distros with older versions of glib? Possibly, I'm not sure. However, are new releases of pcmanfm intended for backporting to those older distros? I'm not sure this is an issue in practice for a new pcmanfm/libfm release, unless current development releases of major distros (Fedora, SuSE, Debian, ...) are still using older glib versions. As far as I know, this flag just makes the build fail when a deprecated code is detected. It doesn't affect the code itself or the behavior of the program. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Your message to Pcmanfm-develop awaits moderator approval
Oops, can someone approve this? thanks. -- Forwarded message -- From: pcmanfm-develop-boun...@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 5:34 PM Subject: Your message to Pcmanfm-develop awaits moderator approval To: phi...@ubuntu.com Your mail to 'Pcmanfm-develop' with the subject Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release. Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/confirm/pcmanfm-develop/2521c34476ca631e8f0547904f8d1ca55b2010ec -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Is Bluetooth needed by default?
Me too. I usually synchro my Android via Bluetooth (not for transferring files, but access contacts, etc). And many people (newbies) too, and asked me about it. Literal words: where is the bluetooth? Windows has it. Ok, ok, I'll install it for you. :) It's a cheap sized package with a great service that will increase Lubuntu usability. My experience is that Win newcomers doesn't use Synaptic at all, they're afraid of that app. Another question is Software Center, it seems more friendly. -- Go to rafaellaguna.com Go to Lubuntu.net attachment: b3.pngattachment: b2.pngattachment: b1.pngattachment: face-smile.png___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing configuration programs
But now I'm lacking some shortcut editor. Me too... Multimediakey support is integrated already. Sorry about it, didn't tried since i'm staying with 10.04 - tried 11.04 though, but only volume worked... pause, play, etc didn't worked as they do in Ubuntu __ i just tried the live cd, maybe it has something to do with that? Also speaking about Missing configuration programs, i've tried to change in lxkeymap the keyboard map and didn't work. First my keyboard was es and tried to change to cl (or anything else), didn't work: next reboot tried from us to any map and nothing. Maybe this is a bug from the live cd and it disapears when the OS is installed? Can someone confirm it? -- jpxsat ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Is Bluetooth needed by default?
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:32:45 +0200 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) rafaellag...@gmail.com wrote: Me too. I usually synchro my Android via Bluetooth (not for transferring files, but access contacts, etc). And many people (newbies) too, and asked me about it. Literal words: where is the bluetooth? Windows has it. Ok, ok, I'll install it for you. :) It's a cheap sized package with a great service that will increase Lubuntu usability. My experience is that Win newcomers doesn't use Synaptic at all, they're afraid of that app. Another question is Software Center, it seems more friendly. I've never used Bluetooth, I've only sync'd phones using USB and I never thought of Bluetooth keyboards and mice. I wasn't so much bothered about the size of it, I just thought —if it isn't used much there's no point having it on the disk. Software Centre requires a hex-core CPU and several gigabytes of RAM to run at anything close to a reasonable speed. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing configuration programs
Multimediakeys Play, Pause , etc. need support in the music player itself.
I
think Audacious has support for it, but its disabled in the default
audacious
configuration. I don't know about gnome-mplayer support for this.
lxkeymap / I cannot confirm this. Switching keymap works like a charm here.
(Sorry for the bad writing, i cant find the characters!)
Im trying with another machine and theres no way lxkeymap can change my
keyboard map on the live cd...
For the multimedia keys, in Audacious preferences, Plugins, General, Global
Hotkey should be enabled by default, its a nice feature and not everybody
will say {oh, i must enable it}, most of people will just think that it
doesnt work. Once checked, multimedia keys work great.
In GnomeMplayer multimedia keys are set, but when playing a file and push
pause makes the button to highlight but just that, it doesnt pause.
Another missing configuration that should be enabled by default is chromium
with the gtk theme of lubuntu.
--
jpxsat
___
Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop
Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop
More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing configuration programs
Le Sunday 19 June 2011 à 22:14 +0200, Filip Dominec a écrit : Changing keyboard mapping works for me, too. What I was missing were: multiple keyboard layouts switcher (DvorakCZ/Czech/English), many keyboard options available in GNOME (such as swapping Caps-Escape) and naturally a GUI for the keyboard shortcuts. This is important: shall I try to write an application for this? It should be possible to extend lxkeymap to do this. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing configuration programs
Yes, I'm thinking about it a long time. But we're changing to GTK3 and (maybe) new theme, so I'd like to make a Chromium's matching one, for a better global looking. I write this as an obligation, a must do task, I promise :) -- Go to rafaellaguna.com Go to Lubuntu.net attachment: b3.pngattachment: b2.pngattachment: b1.pngattachment: face-smile.png___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
