Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Manual?
I think the excitement about documentation is great, you can never work too hard on documentation. However I don't see the value in creating yet another source. I'd be more excited to see people contributing to the already existing documentation on the Wiki [0], the help site [1] [2] and the semi-official manual [3]. Dispersing effort on multiple projects to achieve the same goal seems a bit counter-productive to me but I guess that's the great thing about Linux, everyone is free to do as they please. [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu [1] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation [2] https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-help/index.html [3] http://ubuntu-manual.org/ I totally understand and agree with you. We are trying to create user-centric manual for all major distros and Lubuntu is going to be a hot property. The users who come to Muktware to read stories will be able to see benefits from such manuals. Since all manuals are at one place, they can also learn how something is done on other distros. In the end all it is going to do is complement each other. NOTE: We are about to publish a user-centric manual of Arch Linux as well :-). So, you can look at it as all the quality manuals at one place. We will assist the team with the official manual as well. Our content is released under CC licence so anyone can use it. Swapnil -- bSwapnil Bhartiya/bbr Editor: Muktware.combr Skype: No Way...its non-free. Looking for alternativesbr Facebook: http://facebook.com/mukwtarebr Twitter: http://twitter.com/muktware ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?
I'd suggest that you do some investigate to see what's the cause of performance problems of software center first, and to see if avoiding them is possible. If it's not possible to avoid the performance problems, then go for a simplified synaptic. This could save you quite a lot of time for try and error later. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Stefano eco.st...@fastwebnet.it wrote: yes, this project for me is only for fun. my question is: we need a simplex synaptic or a lighter USC? Stephen Smally On 28/07/2011 21:28, Julien Lavergne wrote: Le Thursday 28 July 2011 à 17:29 +0200, Stefano a écrit : i can say that on my 64 bit system lubuntu software center uses 50 MB RAM less than ubuntu software center (30 mb). the script will be less weight than 1 MB, it depends only on gtk and apt. anyway i think that lubuntu software center should be a kind of more user-friendly synaptic, and not a totally light-rewritten on ubuntu software center. The initial plan was to rewrite the front-end of Software-center, to make it simpler and lighter than the current one. Rewrite an entire application is IMO too much of work, and you loose all the invisible work done by USC. If you want to work on a separate program, why not, but it needs, at least, to be better than Synaptic, and have real advantages vs USC. You need to think about depends, memory usage, but also UI. There is no sense to do a software-center if the UI is worst than Synaptic. Also, package manager need to be very stable and well tested, it's an important piece of the system. Currently, your program is not ready to replace the 2 previous examples. If you want to continue, be aware that it will be more complex than you think to build it from scratch. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Manual?
Hi, I don't get as much time as I'd like to keep up with the various How To's, but the IRC support guys do keep the FAQ section [1] updated regularly. Regards, Phill. [1] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:43 AM, James Gifford ja...@jamesrgifford.comwrote: On the topic of documentation, I've been working (in between my summer job) on trying to expand the Lubuntu documentation (how do I do X?) on AskUbuntu.com - but unfortunately I don't have much there yet. Cheers, James Gifford On Jul 29, 2011, at 5:10, Swapnil Bhartiya swapnil.bhart...@gmail.com wrote: I think the excitement about documentation is great, you can never work too hard on documentation. However I don't see the value in creating yet another source. I'd be more excited to see people contributing to the already existing documentation on the Wiki [0], the help site [1] [2] and the semi-official manual [3]. Dispersing effort on multiple projects to achieve the same goal seems a bit counter-productive to me but I guess that's the great thing about Linux, everyone is free to do as they please. [0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu [1] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation [2] https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-help/index.html [3] http://ubuntu-manual.org/ I totally understand and agree with you. We are trying to create user-centric manual for all major distros and Lubuntu is going to be a hot property. The users who come to Muktware to read stories will be able to see benefits from such manuals. Since all manuals are at one place, they can also learn how something is done on other distros. In the end all it is going to do is complement each other. NOTE: We are about to publish a user-centric manual of Arch Linux as well :-). So, you can look at it as all the quality manuals at one place. We will assist the team with the official manual as well. Our content is released under CC licence so anyone can use it. Swapnil -- bSwapnil Bhartiya/bbr Editor: Muktware.combr Skype: No Way...its non-free. Looking for alternativesbr Facebook: http://facebook.com/mukwtarebr Twitter: http://twitter.com/muktware ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?
On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 08:52:54 -0400 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com wrote: we need a simplex synaptic or a lighter USC? A lighter USC - synaptic if far too complicated for the average user :/ In what way is Synaptic 'far too complicated'? To make USC faster all that needs doing is the unnecessary bits removed. Get rid of the reviews and pretty pictures and, viola, Synaptic! -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] About the recent slowdown of developement
Some may noted that the development of pcmanfm and other lxde stuff slowed down significantly recently. I'm currently preparing for my license examination in order to get my license for internal medicine specialty. The examination will be on Sep 24 and on Oct 16. If I can pass the exam, I'll have more free time later. In my country, it's a very important advanced license exam for medical doctors. So I need to disappear for a while. I'll still take some time to fix the most critical bugs like failure to build or segmentation fault on startup when possible. Other less critical ones will be postponed. Sorry for the inconvinience. At this moment, I think it's reasonable to have a new 0.9.9 release for pcmanfm first since much has been fixed so far. If some issues are found after the release, a 0.9.9.1 should be enough. Any objection? If there are no major blockers for a new release, I plan to do a version bump for soname of libfm and do some final checks before the release. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?
Le Friday 29 July 2011 à 15:44 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit : A lighter USC - synaptic if far too complicated for the average user :/ In what way is Synaptic 'far too complicated'? To make USC faster all that needs doing is the unnecessary bits removed. Get rid of the reviews and pretty pictures and, viola, Synaptic! +1 for the lighter USC. Basically, we need a better UI to present programs to install and remove. Synaptic is perfect for experiment users, but a beginner will expect a list of real programs, not a list of technical packages. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] About the recent slowdown of developement
Of course, your job and specialty are things that make you disappear, just like everybody who has a job outside here, and even more if there're licenses (exams) near. ou have updated a lot of things these days (yes, we read your blog too :) ) and the actual status of PCManFM is quite stable and the version number it arrived seems correct for me. Maybe there will be things that we would ask you, but I think we have to focus in the realease, make it stable (not only the core apps) and adjust all pieces. That's why you can delegate your work. Just don't really disappear, we'll have questions and doubts that only you could achieve. I'm not coder, so maybe I'm talking too much (my fault) and my oppinion isn't so valid in this field, but testing your apps from git or other unstable ppas satisfied me a lot. That 0.9.9.1 fix update sounds fine for me. I'm sure you'll get a great level. Go ahead with it! -- Go to rafaellaguna.com Go to Lubuntu.net attachment: b3.pngattachment: b2.pngattachment: b1.pngattachment: face-smile.png___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?
This mean, for example, hide the libs or other not-app packages by default? On 29/07/2011 18:01, Julien Lavergne wrote: Le Friday 29 July 2011 à 15:44 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit : A lighter USC - synaptic if far too complicated for the average user :/ In what way is Synaptic 'far too complicated'? To make USC faster all that needs doing is the unnecessary bits removed. Get rid of the reviews and pretty pictures and, viola, Synaptic! +1 for the lighter USC. Basically, we need a better UI to present programs to install and remove. Synaptic is perfect for experiment users, but a beginner will expect a list of real programs, not a list of technical packages. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?
2011/7/29 Stefano eco.st...@fastwebnet.it This mean, for example, hide the libs or other not-app packages by default? Exactly! It must make the difference between packages and applications for it to be user-friendly :) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?
On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:23:46 -0400 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/7/29 Stefano eco.st...@fastwebnet.it This mean, for example, hide the libs or other not-app packages by default? Exactly! It must make the difference between packages and applications for it to be user-friendly :) Have a look at making the 'Sections' part of Synaptic list only applications and you'll have achieved what's required. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] About the recent slowdown of developement
I echo Rafael's comments. PCManFM is nice and stable. Get your exams done, I'm sure you will do well :) Regards, Phill. 2011/7/29 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) rafaellag...@gmail.com ** Of course, your job and specialty are things that make you disappear, just like everybody who has a job outside here, and even more if there're licenses (exams) near. ou have updated a lot of things these days (yes, we read your blog too [image: :)] ) and the actual status of PCManFM is quite stable and the version number it arrived seems correct for me. Maybe there will be things that we would ask you, but I think we have to focus in the realease, make it stable (not only the core apps) and adjust all pieces. That's why you can delegate your work. Just don't really disappear, we'll have questions and doubts that only you could achieve. I'm not coder, so maybe I'm talking too much (my fault) and my oppinion isn't so valid in this field, but testing your apps from git or other unstable ppas satisfied me a lot. That 0.9.9.1 fix update sounds fine for me. I'm sure you'll get a great level. Go ahead with it! -- [image: Go to rafaellaguna.com] http://lubuntublog.rafaellaguna.com [image: Go to Lubuntu.net] http://www.lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw b1.pngb2.pngface-smile.pngb3.png___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
