Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin
On 20/11/2011 19:31, Yorvyk wrote: If a CPU can't support PAE it can't support more than 4GiB of RAM, so the PAE part of the kernel shoudn't come into play. From what I understand, PAE has a different set of paging structures compared to non-PAE. Does the kernel know to fall back onto non-PAE mode if it cannot enable PAE on a CPU? -- Kind regards, Loong Jin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] lxproxy oneiric support
Hi, I've just install latest lubuntu and was needing a graphical way to set proxy configuration, through lxproxy (lubuntu ppa) that goal can be achived but the package is not available for oneiric. Would be possible to add Oneiric support? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Escuelas Libres :: Porque la educación es mucho mejor cuando es libre www.escuelaslibres.org.ar --- Para entrenar, cualquier programa sirve. Para educar, sólo Software Libre. (Federico Heinz) --- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin
On 11/20/2011 07:29 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote: On 20/11/2011 19:31, Yorvyk wrote: If a CPU can't support PAE it can't support more than 4GiB of RAM, so the PAE part of the kernel shoudn't come into play. From what I understand, PAE has a different set of paging structures compared to non-PAE. Does the kernel know to fall back onto non-PAE mode if it cannot enable PAE on a CPU? Which way to do things is basically a compile time option for the kernel, as I understand it. So, if a PAE kernel is used, it can *only* be run on processors that support the additional PAE instructions. Even if a machine only has 128MB RAM, it you try to run a PAE kernel on it, and the CPU lacks the PAE instruction, it is not going to run. The real question is: are there really any CPUs in general purpose desktops or laptops, in any significant quantity at all, that Ubuntu 11.10 i386 kernels work on, which PAE kernels do not work on? Other than the early 400MHz Pentium-M, which are pretty rare, I don't think anyone has seen such a CPU yet. Via C3 and AMD Geode LX already cannot run current Ubuntu 11.10 default kernels anyway. Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin
On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:20:35 -0800 Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 11/20/2011 07:29 AM, Chow Loong Jin wrote: On 20/11/2011 19:31, Yorvyk wrote: If a CPU can't support PAE it can't support more than 4GiB of RAM, so the PAE part of the kernel shoudn't come into play. From what I understand, PAE has a different set of paging structures compared to non-PAE. Does the kernel know to fall back onto non-PAE mode if it cannot enable PAE on a CPU? Which way to do things is basically a compile time option for the kernel, as I understand it. So, if a PAE kernel is used, it can *only* be run on processors that support the additional PAE instructions. Even if a machine only has 128MB RAM, it you try to run a PAE kernel on it, and the CPU lacks the PAE instruction, it is not going to run. The real question is: are there really any CPUs in general purpose desktops or laptops, in any significant quantity at all, that Ubuntu 11.10 i386 kernels work on, which PAE kernels do not work on? Other than the early 400MHz Pentium-M, which are pretty rare, I don't think anyone has seen such a CPU yet. Via C3 and AMD Geode LX already cannot run current Ubuntu 11.10 default kernels anyway. Having trawled the net for info on this, I have no problem with dropping the non-PAE kernel as it appears to only effect a very,very, very small number of users. Whether these are current or potential users is going to be very hard to find out, unless they start jumping up-and-down screaming. My one concern was the alleged overhead of the PAE kernel but, this appears, from the various benchmarks I've seen, to be trivial and probably unnoticeable in normal use. I have installed PAE kernels on a couple of machines, one oneiric and one precise, and have not noticed any problems so far. I would imagine by the time 12.04 is no longer supported, 32 bit ubuntus may well be limited to the ARM anyway. -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] 431 users!
According to omgubuntu there are at least 431 users of Lubuntu :) 2.7% of respondents said they used Lubuntu. I know these things should be taken with a pinch of salt but, it's one of the few figures we have to tell us how Lubuntu is actually doing. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/poll-result-15800-votes-cast-unity-named-most-popular-desktop/ -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 431 users!
By pinch of salt, you probably mean that's all the users that responded. I'd be willing to bet many more use lubuntu that don't read OMG Ubuntu!, but that's still an impressive number for such a minority ubuntu flavor! :D Cheers, James Gifford On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: According to omgubuntu there are at least 431 users of Lubuntu :) 2.7% of respondents said they used Lubuntu. I know these things should be taken with a pinch of salt but, it's one of the few figures we have to tell us how Lubuntu is actually doing. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/poll-result-15800-votes-cast-unity-named-most-popular-desktop/ -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 431 users!
What's OMG Ubuntu?LOL-- Sent from my HP TouchPadOn Nov 20, 2011 5:55 PM, James Gifford ja...@jamesrgifford.com wrote: By "pinch of salt", you probably mean "that's all the users that responded." I'd be willing to bet many more use lubuntu that don't read OMG Ubuntu!, but that's still an impressive number for such a "minority" ubuntu flavor! :D Cheers, James Gifford On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: According to omgubuntu there are at least 431 users of Lubuntu :) 2.7% of respondents said they used Lubuntu. I know these things should be taken with a pinch of salt but, it's one of the few figures we have to tell us how Lubuntu is actually doing. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/poll-result-15800-votes-cast-unity-named-most-popular-desktop/ -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 431 users!
Yeah, I never heard of it. I found Lubuntu by way of Peppermint. I wanted to know more about lxde and Lubuntu showed up on my google search.I still use both distros. I like them both, but I find I mostly use Lubuntu. Tim-- Sent from my HP TouchPadOn Nov 20, 2011 8:57 PM, Andrew Woodhead andrew.woodhead...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 November 2011 01:38, ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: What's OMG Ubuntu?LOL-- Sent from my HP TouchPad On Nov 20, 2011 5:55 PM, James Gifford ja...@jamesrgifford.com wrote: By "pinch of salt", you probably mean "that's all the users that responded." I'd be willing to bet many more use lubuntu that don't read OMG Ubuntu!, but that's still an impressive number for such a "minority" ubuntu flavor! :D Cheers, James Gifford On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: According to omgubuntu there are at least 431 users of Lubuntu :) 2.7% of respondents said they used Lubuntu. I know these things should be taken with a pinch of salt but, it's one of the few figures we have to tell us how Lubuntu is actually doing. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/poll-result-15800-votes-cast-unity-named-most-popular-desktop/ -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/ ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
