Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Unresolved overheat issue blocks development

2011-12-21 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
Hello PCMan,

We had two HP Laptops at home, both are Pavilion DV6 (Windows 7) and DV5
(Ubuntu 10.04). The overheating problem was there for both except DV6 was
working while DV5 was shutting down even though we are using two cooling
fans.

I called HP and we managed to fix the problem on DV6 with a BIOS Update. As
for DV5 one, they couldn't help because it has Linux (Ubuntu 10.04) and I
have no clue how to update the BIOS while on Linux.

As far as I know, BIOS is controlling the Fan Speed and if there is no
hardware failure (fan is still working) then, as in my case, the BIOS
update will fix that.

Just a thought but in your case, it might be something else. Check the fan
and see if it's working. Try to buy a cooling fan if you don't have one
already.

Hope that helps!

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:58 AM, PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi list,
 I have a long-standing unresolved issue on my Thinkpad R60 laptop.
 My Lubuntu gets overheat and performs shutdown automatically frequently.
 This happens since ubuntu 10.10 or 10.04 and I never suffered from this
 issue.
 Recently, the overheat problem became more and more severe and I'm not
 able to use Ubuntu sometimes.
 Switching to Windows xp and Vista fixed this problem. The temperature was
 quite low under Windows.
 I did some google search and found that it's a notorious problem of ubuntu.
 Unfortunately, I did not find any good solution to this.
 When I compile programs and browse web pages/documentations at the same
 time,
 the load of my laptop gets high and it becomes overheated easily.
 So recently I mainly use Windows xp.
 Please help if anyone has the right solution for this.
 Otherwise I have difficulty keep using Lubuntu and do programming under
 Linux.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Unresolved overheat issue blocks development

2011-12-21 Thread PCMan
So, does anyone know any distro without this issue?
I'm not able to do development under Ubuntu as the laptop shutdown
unexpectedly while I'm coding.
So sad. :-(

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Andrew Woodhead 
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 On 21 December 2011 08:47, Andrew Woodhead 
 andrew.woodhead...@gmail.comwrote:



 On 21 December 2011 04:58, PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi list,
 I have a long-standing unresolved issue on my Thinkpad R60 laptop.
 My Lubuntu gets overheat and performs shutdown automatically frequently.
 This happens since ubuntu 10.10 or 10.04 and I never suffered from this
 issue.
 Recently, the overheat problem became more and more severe and I'm not
 able to use Ubuntu sometimes.
 Switching to Windows xp and Vista fixed this problem. The temperature
 was quite low under Windows.
 I did some google search and found that it's a notorious problem of
 ubuntu.
 Unfortunately, I did not find any good solution to this.
 When I compile programs and browse web pages/documentations at the same
 time,
 the load of my laptop gets high and it becomes overheated easily.
 So recently I mainly use Windows xp.
 Please help if anyone has the right solution for this.
 Otherwise I have difficulty keep using Lubuntu and do programming under
 Linux.

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 Do you have the latest BIOS? Are there bugs reported with acpi?


 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/213818

 Looks like it

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[Lubuntu-desktop] LXDE 'running' on the Nook

2011-12-21 Thread Yorvyk
Thought this may be of interest, still a way to go before it runs fully but 
still interesting.
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/ubuntu-running-on-the-nook-tablet/

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Unresolved overheat issue blocks development

2011-12-21 Thread Yorvyk
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:27:21 +0400
amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 I called HP and we managed to fix the problem on DV6 with a BIOS Update. As
 for DV5 one, they couldn't help because it has Linux (Ubuntu 10.04) and I
 have no clue how to update the BIOS while on Linux.
 
Depending on the manafacturer therare a variety of ways of updating the BIOS.

Some provide a bootable ISO which uses FreeDOS or you may be able to concoct 
your own using FreeDOS.   http://www.freedos.org/

I've had some success with FlashROM which is available in the repos. 
http://flashrom.org/

Another option is to temporary install Windows if you have a copy that came 
with the machine, especially if the manufacturer's site has an automated tool 
for telling you which updates are required.  Until recently I've been using a 
'60 day' evaluation copy of WinXP for this purpose if the above doesn't work.  
Sadly a lot of recent machines require Vista or Win 7 for this sort of tool.

Even if the BIOS upgrade doesn't mention your problem it may well be worth 
updating as manufacturers don't always tell you everything the BIOS update 
resolves.  It may also be useful to look at firmware updates for the hard drive 
as well.

The other thing to look at is cleaning the vents, heat-sink and fan to ensure 
good airflow.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXDE 'running' on the Nook

2011-12-21 Thread Rafael Laguna
And me joking about installing Lubuntu directly on my phone :) And look, it
could be a good implementation on tablet and mobile devices.

Nice video!


 http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/ http://www.lubuntu.net/



2011/12/21 Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com

 Thought this may be of interest, still a way to go before it runs fully
 but still interesting.
 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/ubuntu-running-on-the-nook-tablet/

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXDE 'running' on the Nook

2011-12-21 Thread A. Andjelkovic
I love these kind of things, can't wait until Ubuntu gets touch friendly.
Unity has a great design for a touch device, although it might need some
tweaking to suit a small display.

2011/12/21 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) rafaellag...@gmail.com

 And me joking about installing Lubuntu directly on my phone :) And look,
 it could be a good implementation on tablet and mobile devices.

 Nice video!


  http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/ http://www.lubuntu.net/



 2011/12/21 Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com

 Thought this may be of interest, still a way to go before it runs fully
 but still interesting.
 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/ubuntu-running-on-the-nook-tablet/

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Wubi on 12.04

2011-12-21 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
One thing I would like to see in Lubuntu, is the presence of Wubi.
I've wanted to show some friend/familiars/co-workers how Lubuntu rocks
but the only way i get is by livecd... and they want to try it a little :)
Wubi is a GREAT option for a lot of people (myself included since i have
only one hard drive and original windows is installed on it ;)

Is this possible?

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[Lubuntu-desktop] How LSC works?

2011-12-21 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
One thing I need often is the presence of Lame on my system. So, i go to
LSC to install lame but can't see it!!
I go to USC to verify and i come to realize that the same search parameter
returns different things... (just try lame in LSC and USC to see it ;)
I'm guessing that this happens with other searches too.
My point is: LSC should show the same apps that USC with the same search
parameters, right?

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[Lubuntu-desktop] LSC problems and where to report

2011-12-21 Thread Yorvyk
Where should one report LSC bugs.  I can't find any reported on Launchpad.

The problems.
There is a surfeit of information on some apps. eg. Penguin Taipei and other 
Ace-of-Penguin apps as well as others.
No version number in About.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How LSC works?

2011-12-21 Thread Yorvyk
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:19:04 +
Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:49:36 -0300
 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  One thing I need often is the presence of Lame on my system. So, i go to
  LSC to install lame but can't see it!!
  I go to USC to verify and i come to realize that the same search parameter
  returns different things... (just try lame in LSC and USC to see it ;)
  I'm guessing that this happens with other searches too.
  My point is: LSC should show the same apps that USC with the same search
  parameters, right?
  
 With the same search parameters they should show the same results but, they 
 don't appear to have the same parameters.  They appear to be searching on 
 different fields.
 
The search does seem a bit bizarre.  I've just tried both Lubuntu and lubuntu 
and it finds nothing.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Unresolved overheat issue blocks development

2011-12-21 Thread Phill Whiteside
Already mentioned, but the cooling mats for laptops are very inexpensive.
My laptop was struggling during our unusually hot summer and the usb
powered mat solved the problem.

Regards,

Phill.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:27:21 +0400
 amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  I called HP and we managed to fix the problem on DV6 with a BIOS Update.
 As
  for DV5 one, they couldn't help because it has Linux (Ubuntu 10.04) and I
  have no clue how to update the BIOS while on Linux.
 
 Depending on the manafacturer therare a variety of ways of updating the
 BIOS.

 Some provide a bootable ISO which uses FreeDOS or you may be able to
 concoct your own using FreeDOS.   http://www.freedos.org/

 I've had some success with FlashROM which is available in the repos.
 http://flashrom.org/

 Another option is to temporary install Windows if you have a copy that
 came with the machine, especially if the manufacturer's site has an
 automated tool for telling you which updates are required.  Until recently
 I've been using a '60 day' evaluation copy of WinXP for this purpose if the
 above doesn't work.  Sadly a lot of recent machines require Vista or Win 7
 for this sort of tool.

 Even if the BIOS upgrade doesn't mention your problem it may well be worth
 updating as manufacturers don't always tell you everything the BIOS update
 resolves.  It may also be useful to look at firmware updates for the hard
 drive as well.

 The other thing to look at is cleaning the vents, heat-sink and fan to
 ensure good airflow.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Wubi on 12.04

2011-12-21 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Jean,

it was my understanding that Lubuntu would be added to Wubi following its
full adoption in 11.10. I'll go and do a bit of digging

Regards,

Phill.

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 One thing I would like to see in Lubuntu, is the presence of Wubi.
 I've wanted to show some friend/familiars/co-workers how Lubuntu rocks
 but the only way i get is by livecd... and they want to try it a little :)
 Wubi is a GREAT option for a lot of people (myself included since i have
 only one hard drive and original windows is installed on it ;)

 Is this possible?

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[Lubuntu-desktop] LSC some apps missing bug, and where to report bugs for LSC

2011-12-21 Thread Michael Rawson
I have had a similiar experience; I literally just filed the bug here:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+bug/907037

You can report bugs here (providing you have LP account):

https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+filebug

as it is purely a Lubuntu project.

If it is a 'runtime' bug i.e. there is an error, not if there is a missing 
feature, attach the output of lubuntu-software-center in your bug report. 
Also, try the latest bzr branch release before reporting (currently rev. 77 in 
the trunk)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC problems and where to report

2011-12-21 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Steve,

I used https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center to report the issue I
had.

Regards,

Phill.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Where should one report LSC bugs.  I can't find any reported on Launchpad.

 The problems.
 There is a surfeit of information on some apps. eg. Penguin Taipei and
 other Ace-of-Penguin apps as well as others.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC some apps missing bug, and where to report bugs for LSC

2011-12-21 Thread Yorvyk
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:16:23 +
Michael Rawson michaelrawso...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have had a similiar experience; I literally just filed the bug here:
 
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+bug/907037
 
 You can report bugs here (providing you have LP account):
 
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+filebug
 
 as it is purely a Lubuntu project.
 
 If it is a 'runtime' bug i.e. there is an error, not if there is a missing 
 feature, attach the output of lubuntu-software-center in your bug report. 
 Also, try the latest bzr branch release before reporting (currently rev. 77 
 in the trunk)
 
Found the bug reports.  I was searching using centre not center.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC some apps missing bug, and where to report bugs for LSC

2011-12-21 Thread Michael Rawson
I know, it's annoying being a Brit. :D

On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:09:44 +
Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:16:23 +
 Michael Rawson michaelrawso...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I have had a similiar experience; I literally just filed the bug here:
  
  https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+bug/907037
  
  You can report bugs here (providing you have LP account):
  
  https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+filebug
  
  as it is purely a Lubuntu project.
  
  If it is a 'runtime' bug i.e. there is an error, not if there is a missing 
  feature, attach the output of lubuntu-software-center in your bug report. 
  Also, try the latest bzr branch release before reporting (currently rev. 77 
  in the trunk)
  
 Found the bug reports.  I was searching using centre not center.
 
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXDE 'running' on the Nook

2011-12-21 Thread 神癒礁湖
Heh, imagine me, trying to install ona Samsung Galaxy S (phone, not
tablet!). I'm sure I can. It has modem, nvidia, pseudo-intel cpu, etc.
It's basically a PC.

So we could re-think about droping off the Netbook interface. It could
be useful, if it's possible to rewrite it and making look better.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Wubi on 12.04

2011-12-21 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
Hello Jean-Pierre,

I'm one of those who actually avoid Wubi. It could be helpful but the
headache afterward is a lot sometimes :)

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1650699

IMHO, one can always try another alternative but that's me and YMMV :)



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXDE 'running' on the Nook

2011-12-21 Thread
here's kind of what i'm thinking for my pre when i get a new phone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7J-f933G4M
it's debian they use but no reason it couldn't be lubuntu with a little
effort…

wxl/walter

On 12/21/2011 04:50 AM, 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) wrote:
 And me joking about installing Lubuntu directly on my phone :) And
 look, it could be a good implementation on tablet and mobile devices.
 2011/12/21 Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com
 mailto:yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com

 Thought this may be of interest, still a way to go before it runs
 fully but still interesting.
 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/ubuntu-running-on-the-nook-tablet/

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Wubi on 12.04

2011-12-21 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 21 December 2011 15:13, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello Jean-Pierre,

 I'm one of those who actually avoid Wubi. It could be helpful but the
 headache afterward is a lot sometimes :)

 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1650699

 IMHO, one can always try another alternative but that's me and YMMV :)

I'm the same way. Personally, I'd prefer if Wubi wasn't available for
the main Ubuntu CD as I don't trust it to work as reliably as a normal
install or even a VM.

Jeremy

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Minutes from the Lubuntu Team meeting on 2011-12-21

2011-12-21 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

You can find the logs of the meeting on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Meetings/20111221
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Meetings/2030

Also, next meeting will be on January 04.

Merry Christmas, and happy new year :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Wubi on 12.04

2011-12-21 Thread Phill Whiteside
hi Jean-Pierre,

I have had a dig around and raised a bug
https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/907524 If someone could pop on there
and click on the affects me button, that will auto confirm it.

Regards,

Phill.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Wubi on 12.04

2011-12-21 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Jeremy,

whilst not the biggest fan of Wubi either, it is a useful tool for a
certain group of people. It certainly gives a better taste of Lubuntu than
trying to run it of a LiveCD. As such, Wubi is an important option for
people to try the ubuntu flavours out on a windows machine. The Wubi people
do a good job of keeping it stable.

regards.

Phill.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Jeremy Bicha jbi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 On 21 December 2011 15:13, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hello Jean-Pierre,
 
  I'm one of those who actually avoid Wubi. It could be helpful but the
  headache afterward is a lot sometimes :)
 
  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1650699
 
  IMHO, one can always try another alternative but that's me and YMMV :)

 I'm the same way. Personally, I'd prefer if Wubi wasn't available for
 the main Ubuntu CD as I don't trust it to work as reliably as a normal
 install or even a VM.

 Jeremy

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Idea for i586

2011-12-21 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
First, don't kill me for bringing back this topic ;)

Since Lubuntu is official, maybe the cause for dropping i586 is obsolete
(if I remember right it was because none of the flavours could run in it,
so there was no market there).
Aditionally, there's the fact that LTS are the less demanding resource
releases :) (experieced by me with 8.04 and 10.04)
Maybe we could ask nicely, together with Xubuntu, that at least for the LTS
*ubuntu could exist for i586...
I doesn't sound completely crazy to me.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Idea for i586

2011-12-21 Thread Yorvyk
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:14:08 -0300
Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com wrote:

 First, don't kill me for bringing back this topic ;)
 
 Since Lubuntu is official, maybe the cause for dropping i586 is obsolete
 (if I remember right it was because none of the flavours could run in it,
 so there was no market there).
 Aditionally, there's the fact that LTS are the less demanding resource
 releases :) (experieced by me with 8.04 and 10.04)
 Maybe we could ask nicely, together with Xubuntu, that at least for the LTS
 *ubuntu could exist for i586...
 I doesn't sound completely crazy to me.
 
Is there any call for i586 kernel?  Has anybody complained of it's absence?  I 
would imagine there would have to be some numbers produced to justify it's 
inclusion.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXDE 'running' on the Nook

2011-12-21 Thread Philip Lockhart

Thanks Jonathon, I'll check it out 

 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:33:50 -0800
 From: jmars...@fastmail.fm
 To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
 Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXDE 'running' on the Nook
 
 On 12/21/2011 10:24 AM, Phil Lockhart wrote:
 
  I've been trying to get Lubuntu to run on a Compaq TC1000 tablet 
  which is almost antique I think. Not having much luck, particularly
  with wireless.
 
 
  Does this bode well for trying to install Lubuntu on a HP ipaq 2490b I 
  wonder.? That would be awesome.
 
 
 There is quite a bit of info on running Linux on ipaq's out there:
 
   http://mstempin.free.fr/linux-ipaq/html_nochunks/Linux-iPAQ-HOWTO-1.1.html
 
   http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4800835123.html
 
   http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-ipaq.html#resources
 
 I doubt you will get Lubuntu onto it, but Familiar Linux should be doable.
 
 Jonathan
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How LSC works? (searching for packages)

2011-12-21 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On 12/21/2011 06:39 AM, Yorvyk wrote:

 On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:19:04 + Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com 
 wrote:
 On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:49:36 -0300 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset 
 jpx...@gmail.com wrote:


 ... the same search parameter
 returns different things... (just try lame in LSC and USC to see it ;) ...


 With the same search parameters they should show the same results

 but, they don't appear to have the same parameters. They appear to
 be searching on different fields.


 The search does seem a bit bizarre.  I've just tried both Lubuntu and
 lubuntu and it finds nothing.


Comparing how LSC does its searches, and how apt-cache search does them,
should help unravel that issue.  As a quick test of searching package
names in Python:

cat aptsearch.py EOF
#!/usr/bin/python
import sys, re, apt_pkg
apt_pkg.init()
cache = apt_pkg.Cache()
for pkg in cache.packages:
if re.search(sys.argv[1], pkg.name, re.IGNORECASE):
print  , pkg.name
EOF
chmod +x aptsearch.py
./aptsearch.py lubuntu # search for packages with lubuntu in their names

is all it takes to demo that basic package name searches in Python work
fine.  I would hope that LSC actually searches on package descriptions
as well as package names, of course, but I'll leave doing that as an
exercise for the reader :)  Personally, I'll stick to using apt-cache
and apt-get, since they work, in all varieties of Debian and Ubuntu...
so why should I learn yet another GUI way to do what those commands
already do :)

Jonathan


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