Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?
I'd suggest that you do some investigate to see what's the cause of performance problems of software center first, and to see if avoiding them is possible. If it's not possible to avoid the performance problems, then go for a simplified synaptic. This could save you quite a lot of time for try and error later. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Stefano eco.st...@fastwebnet.it wrote: yes, this project for me is only for fun. my question is: we need a simplex synaptic or a lighter USC? Stephen Smally On 28/07/2011 21:28, Julien Lavergne wrote: Le Thursday 28 July 2011 à 17:29 +0200, Stefano a écrit : i can say that on my 64 bit system lubuntu software center uses 50 MB RAM less than ubuntu software center (30 mb). the script will be less weight than 1 MB, it depends only on gtk and apt. anyway i think that lubuntu software center should be a kind of more user-friendly synaptic, and not a totally light-rewritten on ubuntu software center. The initial plan was to rewrite the front-end of Software-center, to make it simpler and lighter than the current one. Rewrite an entire application is IMO too much of work, and you loose all the invisible work done by USC. If you want to work on a separate program, why not, but it needs, at least, to be better than Synaptic, and have real advantages vs USC. You need to think about depends, memory usage, but also UI. There is no sense to do a software-center if the UI is worst than Synaptic. Also, package manager need to be very stable and well tested, it's an important piece of the system. Currently, your program is not ready to replace the 2 previous examples. If you want to continue, be aware that it will be more complex than you think to build it from scratch. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?
On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 08:52:54 -0400 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com wrote: we need a simplex synaptic or a lighter USC? A lighter USC - synaptic if far too complicated for the average user :/ In what way is Synaptic 'far too complicated'? To make USC faster all that needs doing is the unnecessary bits removed. Get rid of the reviews and pretty pictures and, viola, Synaptic! -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?
Le Friday 29 July 2011 à 15:44 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit : A lighter USC - synaptic if far too complicated for the average user :/ In what way is Synaptic 'far too complicated'? To make USC faster all that needs doing is the unnecessary bits removed. Get rid of the reviews and pretty pictures and, viola, Synaptic! +1 for the lighter USC. Basically, we need a better UI to present programs to install and remove. Synaptic is perfect for experiment users, but a beginner will expect a list of real programs, not a list of technical packages. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?
This mean, for example, hide the libs or other not-app packages by default? On 29/07/2011 18:01, Julien Lavergne wrote: Le Friday 29 July 2011 à 15:44 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit : A lighter USC - synaptic if far too complicated for the average user :/ In what way is Synaptic 'far too complicated'? To make USC faster all that needs doing is the unnecessary bits removed. Get rid of the reviews and pretty pictures and, viola, Synaptic! +1 for the lighter USC. Basically, we need a better UI to present programs to install and remove. Synaptic is perfect for experiment users, but a beginner will expect a list of real programs, not a list of technical packages. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?
2011/7/29 Stefano eco.st...@fastwebnet.it This mean, for example, hide the libs or other not-app packages by default? Exactly! It must make the difference between packages and applications for it to be user-friendly :) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?
On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:23:46 -0400 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/7/29 Stefano eco.st...@fastwebnet.it This mean, for example, hide the libs or other not-app packages by default? Exactly! It must make the difference between packages and applications for it to be user-friendly :) Have a look at making the 'Sections' part of Synaptic list only applications and you'll have achieved what's required. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?
i can say that on my 64 bit system lubuntu software center uses 50 MB RAM less than ubuntu software center (30 mb). the script will be less weight than 1 MB, it depends only on gtk and apt. anyway i think that lubuntu software center should be a kind of more user-friendly synaptic, and not a totally light-rewritten on ubuntu software center. Regards Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?
Writing and mantaining own application of this importance can be tedious and risky task. Maybe we should first just assess what components of Ubuntu SW center make it slow and RAM consuming. If possible, second step could be to compile an Ubuntu SW center version which would have minimal dependencies, probably co-working with its contemporary authors. Filip On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:29:57 +0200 Stefano eco.st...@fastwebnet.it wrote: i can say that on my 64 bit system lubuntu software center uses 50 MB RAM less than ubuntu software center (30 mb). the script will be less weight than 1 MB, it depends only on gtk and apt. anyway i think that lubuntu software center should be a kind of more user-friendly synaptic, and not a totally light-rewritten on ubuntu software center. Regards Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?
i think that sometimes rewrite is better than cleanup the code, and i dont' know if the authors of USC will be available. anyway, we are in democracy XD and this is the spirit of the open-source, i'm available to write python apps. P.S. i'm very sorry for my bad english, but i'm italian :-P On 28/07/2011 18:15, Filip Dominec wrote: Writing and mantaining own application of this importance can be tedious and risky task. Maybe we should first just assess what components of Ubuntu SW center make it slow and RAM consuming. If possible, second step could be to compile an Ubuntu SW center version which would have minimal dependencies, probably co-working with its contemporary authors. Filip On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:29:57 +0200 Stefano eco.st...@fastwebnet.it wrote: i can say that on my 64 bit system lubuntu software center uses 50 MB RAM less than ubuntu software center (30 mb). the script will be less weight than 1 MB, it depends only on gtk and apt. anyway i think that lubuntu software center should be a kind of more user-friendly synaptic, and not a totally light-rewritten on ubuntu software center. Regards Stephen Smally ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
