Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu development process documentation, etc.
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote: > I'll will add that original author of lxpanel have quit the LXDE project > recently, so don't expect much help from him :/ Julien, so now who is maintaining the LXDE project? Regards, Naveen ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu development process documentation, etc.
On 02/13/2011 04:38 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote: > But you can plan to work on a specific package on your own :) Naveen was needing some help to get started, which is why he didn't think that was a good option for him. I pointed him in what I hope is a sane direction when we met on IRC after this email dialogue. > Time to organise more IRC meetings to organise a bit more our work :) Yes. Or use email -- we are in quite different timezones, and probably have different availability anyway ( different work and sleep schedules!) so IRC meetings may be awkward to schedule appropriately. Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu development process documentation, etc.
Le samedi 12 février 2011 à 19:32 -0800, Jonathan Marsden a écrit : > > > Also we need to form a bug reporting & triaging page for Lubuntu > > where we can link the already documented resources of Ubuntu which > > are common to Lubuntu. Adding information about how to subscribe and > > report bug related to Lubuntu. > > How is that different from how to subscribe and report bugs in other > Ubuntu flavours? Launchpad is the same for subscribing to bugs, and the > ubuntu-bug program is in Lubuntu just as it is in other flavours, as far > as I know. > > If there is no difference, then we should (IMO) not create a special > separate Lubuntu page -- doing so just makes Lubuntu appear more > different than it really is from the other ubuntu's. There is already a specific page for Lubuntu : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs > >> What particular aspects of Lubuntu's development do you find > >> undocumented, that you would like to work on? Which Lubuntu > >> specific bugs are you trying to develop fixes for? > > > I was trying to work on lxpanel bugs. > > That's LXDE development more than Lubuntu development, but OK. > > > I tried to search for its development documentation but could not > > find a good resource except a small wiki page. > > I'd guess that the number of developers of lxpanel is so small there may > not be a fully realized "team culture" for it yet, or else those who are > working on it are experienced developers who have not yet made the time > to create developer docs. If you have specific questions you can email > PCMan, whose email address is the top one in the list of developers in > the AUTHORS file in the source tarball of lxpanel. I'll will add that original author of lxpanel have quit the LXDE project recently, so don't expect much help from him :/ > > As developer, we can focus 1 package at a time .First trying to > > collect all the information of that package as developer point of > > view. Then create a wiki page (taking help of our WIKI team) for it > > and add all the information to it and link it to Developer knowledge > > base area. After that we can work on bug fixing of that package and > > update more information from our experience.This way we will able to > > focus on our target and will create a knowledge base area for new > > developers. > > I think persuading Julien and I to focus on one particular package for a > while is ... unlikely to succeed :) Like every other volunteer, we'll > do stuff we want to do, fix bugs of interest to us, etc. And you should > do the same. But you can plan to work on a specific package on your own :) Time to organise more IRC meetings to organise a bit more our work :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu development process documentation, etc.
Naveen, As with all Launchpad mailing lists, *please* hit "Reply to All" so that your replies go to the list, not just to the one person who write the message you are replying to :) On 02/12/2011 01:20 AM, Naveen Agrawal wrote: > I think I was not clear here. But I was talking about a knowledge > base area for development work like bugsquad team has for bug handling. If there is already a sufficient base of knowledge, go for it. It took years for the bugsquad docs to reach their current form, and they have a much larger team of bug hunters/triagers to draw from. > Also we need to form a bug reporting & triaging page for Lubuntu > where we can link the already documented resources of Ubuntu which > are common to Lubuntu. Adding information about how to subscribe and > report bug related to Lubuntu. How is that different from how to subscribe and report bugs in other Ubuntu flavours? Launchpad is the same for subscribing to bugs, and the ubuntu-bug program is in Lubuntu just as it is in other flavours, as far as I know. If there is no difference, then we should (IMO) not create a special separate Lubuntu page -- doing so just makes Lubuntu appear more different than it really is from the other ubuntu's. >> What particular aspects of Lubuntu's development do you find >> undocumented, that you would like to work on? Which Lubuntu >> specific bugs are you trying to develop fixes for? > I was trying to work on lxpanel bugs. That's LXDE development more than Lubuntu development, but OK. > I tried to search for its development documentation but could not > find a good resource except a small wiki page. I'd guess that the number of developers of lxpanel is so small there may not be a fully realized "team culture" for it yet, or else those who are working on it are experienced developers who have not yet made the time to create developer docs. If you have specific questions you can email PCMan, whose email address is the top one in the list of developers in the AUTHORS file in the source tarball of lxpanel. > I am looking for more detailed information about the lxpanel feature. lxpanel is an app, not a "feature" -- I think? > I am stuck with many question. How is the source code arranged into different > files? apt-get source lxpanel would get you the answer to that, in the form of the packaged source tree to look through :) > What are the coding guidelines for it? Probably no formal ones, so just make any new code look like the existing code ... if you submit a patch and someone says "first make it fit our coding guidelines", they will tell you where to find the guidelines :) > I'd suggest hanging out on IRC in #lubuntu and #lubuntu-offtopic , and > asking specific questions there, as one way to get over your initial > difficulty. > I have been part of lubuntu since mid January and can be normally > found in #lubuntu and #lubuntu-offtopic between 10:00-18:00(UTC) as > 'Wolfpack'. Cool! > From now on, I will be buzzing you whenever I need help. :-) Ah no :) Please ask the channel, not just one person. I am not an LXDE developer. I am a fairly experienced programmer, network and system admin, and I have done a moderate amount of Ubuntu packaging work, so I am acting much more as a "generally useful technical person" for Lubuntu, not an LXDE dev! I've unpacked and read the lxpanel code, but have not patched it or really examined it in depth line by line, so for detailed LXDE questions, you'll be better off asking others. >> Are you volunteering to work on creating this? Sounds good to me :) > I am ready to work on restructuring the wiki of Lubuntu. I am > looking to add a basic guide for beginner developers at start. Then > as we keep on fixing bugs we can add more information to it. Sounds fine. Just do it. Phill W seems to be the local wiki expert if you need help with the wiki stuff itself. > Also, what I think is to create a small target for each week and > divide the work into small teams. We don't have enough active developers for that, I think. Better to just have the "lead developer" (currently Julien as far as I can see) create a TODO list, and then devs can pick from that whichever items they feel they are interested in and have the skills to handle. Or, devs can just look at lubuntu-related bugs and fix any of them they want to, which is how I recently got started with bug #650432 -- not really a "needs code" bug at all, just editing an XML .menu file, but... it got me started :) > As developer, we can focus 1 package at a time .First trying to > collect all the information of that package as developer point of > view. Then create a wiki page (taking help of our WIKI team) for it > and add all the information to it and link it to Developer knowledge > base area. After that we can work on bug fixing of that package and > update more information from our experience.This way we will able to > focus on our target and will create a knowledge base area for ne
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu development process documentation, etc.
2011/2/11 Jonathan Marsden : > On 02/11/2011 06:54 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote: > >> Well, the main problem now is to found developers, not organize the work :) >> Actually, the development of LXDE is very quiet : one of the main dev >> have quiet, pcman is busy, and other distro maintainers are also >> quiet. I was not very active recently also. > > Yes and no. > > I think if the overall process is clear, perhaps I can pick up some > bigfix and smaller tasks, and free you (and hopefully others!) to work > on larger longer term development items. > > My sense is that there is some considerable value in taking care of the > "small things" to make Lubuntu feel a bit more polished, easier to > install and get started with, etc. I'm not sure I am a good choice of > dev to be making major enhancements to LXDE itself. I am more of a > command line network and server admin type of guy than a GUI expert. > > But my point is partly that if we want to attract developers, having a > published way that we do things, and a set of TODO items, allows anyone > interested to "get their feet wet" on smaller items, without a big > investment of their time figuring out things that others *already* > figured out :) > And to add some precisions, using Launchpad with bug reports is IMO the most efficient way to work on small tasks. Adding more information to the wiki should also help :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu development process documentation, etc.
On 02/11/2011 06:54 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote: > Well, the main problem now is to found developers, not organize the work :) > Actually, the development of LXDE is very quiet : one of the main dev > have quiet, pcman is busy, and other distro maintainers are also > quiet. I was not very active recently also. Yes and no. I think if the overall process is clear, perhaps I can pick up some bigfix and smaller tasks, and free you (and hopefully others!) to work on larger longer term development items. My sense is that there is some considerable value in taking care of the "small things" to make Lubuntu feel a bit more polished, easier to install and get started with, etc. I'm not sure I am a good choice of dev to be making major enhancements to LXDE itself. I am more of a command line network and server admin type of guy than a GUI expert. But my point is partly that if we want to attract developers, having a published way that we do things, and a set of TODO items, allows anyone interested to "get their feet wet" on smaller items, without a big investment of their time figuring out things that others *already* figured out :) Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu development process documentation, etc.
2011/2/11 Jonathan Marsden : > On 02/10/2011 04:34 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote: > >> As Julien catches up with what will be a massive backlog, I'm certain >> he will be in touch with you. Once again, thanks for coming on board >> to help. > > Sure. Somewhat in this same vein, what do you think of Karl Fogel's > book "Producing Open Source Software" ? > > http://producingoss.com/en/producingoss.html > > What fraction of the principles it espouses could usefully be applied to > Lubuntu at this point in its growth? There is even a Dutch translation, > which might be handy for hajour and undefined -- I'm not sure we have > anyone on the team (yet) who would benefit greatly from the Japanese > translation :) > > (This book should probably be required reading for all the budding > developers in the speechcontrol project, but that's a separate topic). > > Jonathan Well, the main problem now is to found developers, not organize the work :) Actually, the development of LXDE is very quiet : one of the main dev have quiet, pcman is busy, and other distro maintainers are also quiet. I was not very active recently also. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu development process documentation, etc.
On 02/10/2011 04:34 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote: > As Julien catches up with what will be a massive backlog, I'm certain > he will be in touch with you. Once again, thanks for coming on board > to help. Sure. Somewhat in this same vein, what do you think of Karl Fogel's book "Producing Open Source Software" ? http://producingoss.com/en/producingoss.html What fraction of the principles it espouses could usefully be applied to Lubuntu at this point in its growth? There is even a Dutch translation, which might be handy for hajour and undefined -- I'm not sure we have anyone on the team (yet) who would benefit greatly from the Japanese translation :) (This book should probably be required reading for all the budding developers in the speechcontrol project, but that's a separate topic). Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
