Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] a suggestion

[Sylkis]

sory I send the message to wrong adress earlier

2009/11/16 Sylkis 

> 2009/11/16 Zsolt Peter Basak 
>
> Hello!
>>
>> Chrome is fast, but its not that lightweight. Check its memory usage. The
>> Chrome/Chromium without Google "features" is called "SRware Iron" and anyone
>> can download the binary of that app or the source code.
>>
>> Here you can find more information about SRWare Iron. (A german person
>> makes it, as far as I know. I'm using it since the first version and I'm
>> really satisfied with it). Even the beta... no crash at all. And there is an
>> AdBlock for the beta, and the beta also handles flash better than the
>> 'stable' version does.
>>
>> Homepage: http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php
>> Download: http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_download.php
>> Linux version: http://www.srware.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=835
>>
>>
> That SWare Iron thingie looks great, but too bad there's no .deb nor repos
> for easy install and the windows version crashes under wine. maybe someone
> could create an easy package installer? I mean it looks like some great
> candidate for lubuntu, but as it would become part of ubuntu it needs some
> kind of repo or sth, as ubuntu is meant 'for humans' (that mostly do not
> fancy compiling :) )...
>
> personally I find arora and midori a bit uncomfortable, but maybe it's just
> me being used to "big" things like netscape, then firefox, and then
> google-chrome.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] a suggestion

[Michael]

Has anybody looked into Uzbl?

http://www.uzbl.org/

-  
Michael Hall
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On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 19:07 +0100, Andre Rebentisch wrote:
> Zsolt Peter Basak schrieb:
> 
> > Anyway, I'd try out Arora and Midori. These are really lightweight ones,
> > and Arora supports adblock also.
> 
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/karmic/arora
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/karmic/midori
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] a suggestion

[Zsolt Peter Basak]

Creating some .deb packages are not that hard. Any packager can do that I
guess. (I can also provide the precompiled packages ...).

S
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] a suggestion

[Andre Rebentisch]

Zsolt Peter Basak schrieb:

> Anyway, I'd try out Arora and Midori. These are really lightweight ones,
> and Arora supports adblock also.

http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/karmic/arora
http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/karmic/midori


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] a suggestion

[Zsolt Peter Basak]

Hello!

Chrome is fast, but its not that lightweight. Check its memory usage. The
Chrome/Chromium without Google "features" is called "SRware Iron" and anyone
can download the binary of that app or the source code.

Here you can find more information about SRWare Iron. (A german person makes
it, as far as I know. I'm using it since the first version and I'm really
satisfied with it). Even the beta... no crash at all. And there is an
AdBlock for the beta, and the beta also handles flash better than the
'stable' version does.

Homepage: http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php
Download: http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_download.php
Linux version: http://www.srware.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=835

Anyway, I'd try out Arora and Midori. These are really lightweight ones, and
Arora supports adblock also.

ps.: I'm having hard times with this mailing list thingie... ehh.

S
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] a suggestion

[Julien Lavergne]

I have concerned about Chrome/Chromium, especially the memory usage. But yes 
it's definitly faster. At this time, there is no lightweight browser which is 
really better than others.
We need some benchmarks in differents situation to do the right choice.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:22:35 -0500
Mario Behling  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> yes, I am also having the discussion about browsers. I agree, we need
> a more lightweight browser.
> 
> At the moment I have not seen a browser that is convincing. We have
> talked about this in Taiwan as well, but no solution yet. We need to
> test suggestions like your one.
> 
> In Taiwan some said, the best choice might be to take Chrome, maybe
> the version without the Google data collection functions.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mario
> 
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > The choice of the browser is not final for Lubuntu 10.04. It will be 
> > discuss during the cycle, and also during Ubuntu Developpers summit. You 
> > can see details on this 2 specifications :
> > - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/LubuntuLucidApplications
> > - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/ArmLightweightBrowser
> >
> > Regards,
> > Julien Lavergne
> >
> > On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:58:00 +0200
> > mehageg  wrote:
> >
> >> as lubuntu is a fast-lightweight version of ubuntu, maybe it's time to
> >> consider using arora  instead of
> >> firefox as the main web-browser.
> >> from my personal experience, arora fits very well as my main browser, it
> >> supports the main state-of-the art technologies (javascript+ajax, flash,
> >> java applets etc), has the main features you find in firefox (ad-block,
> >> live-http, privacy mode, tabbed surfing, smart bar).
> >>
> >> in the bottom line, it's just as great as firefox, just much faster and
> >> slimmer. matches perfectly the lubuntu/lxde way, as I see it.
> >
> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] a suggestion

[Andrew Oakley]

On 16/11/2009, Andrew Woodhead  wrote:
> You'll find most users simply will not use anything else other than firefox
> (sad but true) So will more than likely install it anyway due to ignorance
> or some form of loyalty, despite its massive shortcomings (like ridiculous
> ram usage)

I'm also desperate to escape the Firefox bloat, but I find that on my
netbook with small screen dimensions, I like to configure Firefox and
use an add-on to reduce the toolbar, search bar and menu bar down to
just one row, and turn off the status bar:

http://www.aoakley.com/misc/firefox-lxde-compact.png

In this example I've removed the status bar, placed the menu, toolbar
icons, address bar and search box onto one row, and used the Tiny Menu
add-on to move all menu items except Bookmarks so that they cascade
under one menu item "Menu".

Tiny Menu: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1455

Note how this is not Firefox's "full screen" option, nor is it kiosk
mode; the LDXE task bar remains visible below the browser window.
Window decoration has been removed for this window using the OpenBox
option.

Given that Lubuntu will be ideal for netbooks, are there any other
browsers which support the majority of web browsing (Flash video,
Ajax) but can keep their toolbars etc. down to just one row whilst
retaining a menu, bookmarks, address bar,
back/forward/reload/stop/home buttons and search box?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] a suggestion

[Andrew Woodhead]

You'll find most users simply will not use anything else other than firefox
(sad but true) So will more than likely install it anyway due to ignorance
or some form of loyalty, despite its massive shortcomings (like ridiculous
ram usage)

I personally use Chromium and believe there is a time when we look back at
firefox and say "what were we thinking!!?"
-ActionParsnip (aka andy)


On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:20 AM, mehageg  wrote:

> I defectively agree, chrome is a good choice, in condition that it's
> operational by the time of 10.4
> for the case it's not - I'd like to have your opinion regarding arora, I
> really find it mean and lean.
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Sylkis  wrote:
>
>> 2009/11/15 mehageg 
>>
>>>  as lubuntu is a fast-lightweight version of ubuntu, maybe it's time to
>>> consider using arora  instead
>>> of firefox as the main web-browser.
>>> from my personal experience, arora fits very well as my main browser, it
>>> supports the main state-of-the art technologies (javascript+ajax, flash,
>>> java applets etc), has the main features you find in firefox (ad-block,
>>> live-http, privacy mode, tabbed surfing, smart bar).
>>>
>>> in the bottom line, it's just as great as firefox, just much faster and
>>> slimmer. matches perfectly the lubuntu/lxde way, as I see it.
>>>
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>> Why not consider google-chrome? I know it's 'beta' status, but as I've
>> been using it for a long time - since version in which plugins are defaultly
>> on it's perfectly stable, and it's really lightweight and fast :) AND it's
>> becoming quite popular, so I think it'd be better for lubuntu to have a
>> popular browser that many people are familiar with, rather than having some
>> exotic one that very little number of people use
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] a suggestion

[mehageg]

I defectively agree, chrome is a good choice, in condition that it's
operational by the time of 10.4
for the case it's not - I'd like to have your opinion regarding arora, I
really find it mean and lean.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Sylkis  wrote:

> 2009/11/15 mehageg 
>
>> as lubuntu is a fast-lightweight version of ubuntu, maybe it's time to
>> consider using arora  instead
>> of firefox as the main web-browser.
>> from my personal experience, arora fits very well as my main browser, it
>> supports the main state-of-the art technologies (javascript+ajax, flash,
>> java applets etc), has the main features you find in firefox (ad-block,
>> live-http, privacy mode, tabbed surfing, smart bar).
>>
>> in the bottom line, it's just as great as firefox, just much faster and
>> slimmer. matches perfectly the lubuntu/lxde way, as I see it.
>>
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> Why not consider google-chrome? I know it's 'beta' status, but as I've been
> using it for a long time - since version in which plugins are defaultly on
> it's perfectly stable, and it's really lightweight and fast :) AND it's
> becoming quite popular, so I think it'd be better for lubuntu to have a
> popular browser that many people are familiar with, rather than having some
> exotic one that very little number of people use
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] a suggestion

[Sylkis]

2009/11/15 mehageg 

> as lubuntu is a fast-lightweight version of ubuntu, maybe it's time to
> consider using arora  instead
> of firefox as the main web-browser.
> from my personal experience, arora fits very well as my main browser, it
> supports the main state-of-the art technologies (javascript+ajax, flash,
> java applets etc), has the main features you find in firefox (ad-block,
> live-http, privacy mode, tabbed surfing, smart bar).
>
> in the bottom line, it's just as great as firefox, just much faster and
> slimmer. matches perfectly the lubuntu/lxde way, as I see it.
>
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>
Why not consider google-chrome? I know it's 'beta' status, but as I've been
using it for a long time - since version in which plugins are defaultly on
it's perfectly stable, and it's really lightweight and fast :) AND it's
becoming quite popular, so I think it'd be better for lubuntu to have a
popular browser that many people are familiar with, rather than having some
exotic one that very little number of people use
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] a suggestion

[Mario Behling]

Hi,

yes, I am also having the discussion about browsers. I agree, we need
a more lightweight browser.

At the moment I have not seen a browser that is convincing. We have
talked about this in Taiwan as well, but no solution yet. We need to
test suggestions like your one.

In Taiwan some said, the best choice might be to take Chrome, maybe
the version without the Google data collection functions.

Cheers,

Mario

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The choice of the browser is not final for Lubuntu 10.04. It will be discuss 
> during the cycle, and also during Ubuntu Developpers summit. You can see 
> details on this 2 specifications :
> - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/LubuntuLucidApplications
> - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/ArmLightweightBrowser
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:58:00 +0200
> mehageg  wrote:
>
>> as lubuntu is a fast-lightweight version of ubuntu, maybe it's time to
>> consider using arora  instead of
>> firefox as the main web-browser.
>> from my personal experience, arora fits very well as my main browser, it
>> supports the main state-of-the art technologies (javascript+ajax, flash,
>> java applets etc), has the main features you find in firefox (ad-block,
>> live-http, privacy mode, tabbed surfing, smart bar).
>>
>> in the bottom line, it's just as great as firefox, just much faster and
>> slimmer. matches perfectly the lubuntu/lxde way, as I see it.
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] a suggestion

[Julien Lavergne]

Hi,

The choice of the browser is not final for Lubuntu 10.04. It will be discuss 
during the cycle, and also during Ubuntu Developpers summit. You can see 
details on this 2 specifications :
- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/LubuntuLucidApplications
- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/ArmLightweightBrowser

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:58:00 +0200
mehageg  wrote:

> as lubuntu is a fast-lightweight version of ubuntu, maybe it's time to
> consider using arora  instead of
> firefox as the main web-browser.
> from my personal experience, arora fits very well as my main browser, it
> supports the main state-of-the art technologies (javascript+ajax, flash,
> java applets etc), has the main features you find in firefox (ad-block,
> live-http, privacy mode, tabbed surfing, smart bar).
> 
> in the bottom line, it's just as great as firefox, just much faster and
> slimmer. matches perfectly the lubuntu/lxde way, as I see it.


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