Re: [Lubuntu-comms] HTG Article
2013/11/22 David Yentzen dbyent...@gmail.com: http://www.howtogeek.com/172987/revive-your-old-pc-the-3-best-linux-systems-for-old-computers/ Hi Team, The above link is a friendly article published in late Sept of 2013 and recommends Lubuntu. If any of you come across articles like this please send it in to the Comms Team so the social media channels can repost. Best David Yentzen -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-comms Post to : lubuntu-co...@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-comms More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp David, thank you for the idea! Adding lubuntu-users@ -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ibere-Fernandes -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?
Yes, Israel, you are right! Just make a choice for every user -- having a lubuntu-sounds-theme package is a very smarter idea :_) So, the dev-team will accept this sugesstion? On 2013/11/22 21:38, Israel wrote: I agree that system sounds would increase the over-all size of the OS, and playing a sound for an event would cause drain on resources. However, this being GNU/Linux, giving choice to users would be nice. Maybe having lubuntu-sounds package could make optional sounds easy to install (and have it configured). I agree with both points here. wants a nice OS that functions well, and is very fun for use, and works like the familiar ones. Ali knows that even OGG files will be a drain on the size of the OS, and RAM and processor to play these sounds each time. So since both points are valid, it might be good to find a middle ground. I always have turned off sounds for my computers, and don't like clicking sounds on touchscreens, etc.. but some people really like the sounds, obviously. XP plays sounds for people, and they are a target for this OS. On 11/22/2013 01:09 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:58 AM, hackso...@163.com mailto:hackso...@163.com wrote: I find the sound event is the worstcharacter for almost all the linux destros. Why? In the earlest win98, i found the sound event is excellent for me,but in linux, the sound event become a scarce resource.Maybe someone tell me that will save energy, this JUST is an excuse. So, can lubuntu improve the character of the sound events? Hi, I am in hurry and must go so can't really dig into the archive right now but if you ask those who have been around here for at least the last two years, they can confirm to you this topic has been discussed before but it is 100% fine to re-talk about it :) at least IMHO it is good to discuss and communicate :) Feel Free to start a blueprint here: https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming Previous discussions ended at this decision: no sound to be added because that will affect the overall performance of Lubuntu. But, again, feel free to start a new blueprint for that if you wish :) -- Remember: All of us are smarter than any one of us. Best Regards, amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad Areas of Involvement https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement My Projects https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects -- Regards -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?
Ali is absolutely correct, you need to open a blueprint. There are so many things to do before April, the only way you can insure it will be done, is by doing it. Everyone already has tasks, and some projects are a huge undertaking. I don't know if anyone that works for Canonical is involved in Lubuntu (in other words everyone works on this stuff because we enjoy it, and want to help other people) I know the packages I make are because I want to. The bugs I fix are because I want the fix. If you want, I can help you package it, but you will need to pick some sounds, and find out how they are accessed from LXDE events. That is something I don't know. Someone here might be able to help, but I know someone from LXDE would know (like PC Man, for sure). A community package of sounds would be nice. Maybe have users submit sounds for different system events, and vote on the best ones, or something. LMMS is awesome for creating sound effects (use fluid-soundfont-gm fluid-soundfont-gs those have some awesome sounds for the Soundfont). If you can't make sounds, and don't want to organize a community sound project go to freesound.org and find some. Of course if you don't want to work on packaging or any aspect of it, it very likely will not get done. I know I have many other projects beside my new involvement here, so I am sure the others here have other projects, as well as jobs, and family and possibly school. On 11/22/2013 08:51 AM, Hackson.Wang wrote: Yes, Israel, you are right! Just make a choice for every user -- having a lubuntu-sounds-theme package is a very smarter idea :_) So, the dev-team will accept this sugesstion? On 2013/11/22 21:38, Israel wrote: I agree that system sounds would increase the over-all size of the OS, and playing a sound for an event would cause drain on resources. However, this being GNU/Linux, giving choice to users would be nice. Maybe having lubuntu-sounds package could make optional sounds easy to install (and have it configured). I agree with both points here. wants a nice OS that functions well, and is very fun for use, and works like the familiar ones. Ali knows that even OGG files will be a drain on the size of the OS, and RAM and processor to play these sounds each time. So since both points are valid, it might be good to find a middle ground. I always have turned off sounds for my computers, and don't like clicking sounds on touchscreens, etc.. but some people really like the sounds, obviously. XP plays sounds for people, and they are a target for this OS. On 11/22/2013 01:09 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:58 AM, hackso...@163.com mailto:hackso...@163.com wrote: I find the sound event is the worstcharacter for almost all the linux destros. Why? In the earlest win98, i found the sound event is excellent for me,but in linux, the sound event become a scarce resource.Maybe someone tell me that will save energy, this JUST is an excuse. So, can lubuntu improve the character of the sound events? Hi, I am in hurry and must go so can't really dig into the archive right now but if you ask those who have been around here for at least the last two years, they can confirm to you this topic has been discussed before but it is 100% fine to re-talk about it :) at least IMHO it is good to discuss and communicate :) Feel Free to start a blueprint here: https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming Previous discussions ended at this decision: no sound to be added because that will affect the overall performance of Lubuntu. But, again, feel free to start a new blueprint for that if you wish :) -- Remember: All of us are smarter than any one of us. Best Regards, amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad Areas of Involvement https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement My Projects https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects -- Regards -- Regards -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Israel israeld...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that system sounds would increase the over-all size of the OS, and playing a sound for an event would cause drain on resources. However, this being GNU/Linux, giving choice to users would be nice. Maybe having lubuntu-sounds package could make optional sounds easy to install (and have it configured). I agree with both points here. 海鑫电脑 wants a nice OS that functions well, and is very fun for use, and works like the familiar ones. Ali knows that even OGG files will be a drain on the size of the OS, and RAM and processor to play these sounds each time. So since both points are valid, it might be good to find a middle ground. I always have turned off sounds for my computers, and don't like clicking sounds on touchscreens, etc.. but some people really like the sounds, obviously. XP plays sounds for people, and they are a target for this OS. At Lubuntu's Service :) Here is a Blueprint - feel free to start the brainstorming :D https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/sound-event -- Remember: All of us are smarter than any one of us. Best Regards, amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad Areas of Involvement https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement My Projects https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: 2 suggestions; Diodon and numlockx
Hi again, On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) amjja...@gmail.comwrote: Hi :) On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Eric Bradshaw ericbrads...@computers4christians.org wrote: My apologies in advance if these things have already been addressed, Indeed, these are topics we discussed many times before but it is totally fine to re-discuss that to keep a healthy environment where people 'do communicate' with each other :) this is after all the point to have a mailing list :) but I hope to see a couple of basic (what I think most new Lubuntu users expect) features added to Lubuntu: 1. A simple clipboard manager. Parcellite doesn't seem to work. If you copy a command from say, a web page in Firefox, but close the page before pasting it into LXTerminal - it disappears. C4C includes Diodon for this reason. The following is a discussion about it on the LXDE Forum - http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=22t=36214 For me, everything works fine and we have done that starting from 12.04 or 12.10 - can't really remember now but everything works fine at least with me :) 2. Automatic number locking. You have to hit the number lock key before using the keypad and it doesn't stick after a reboot. C4C includes numlockx for this reason, but there is a command line edit too. The following is a discussion about it on the Ubuntu Forums - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1888266 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxsession/+bug/1072114 Eric -- Thank You, God Bless, Computers4Christians http://www.Computers4Christians.org/ Thank you! Here is an old bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/926893 Reported on: 2012-02-04 And, Clipboard Manager was added since then: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/926893/comments/11 And, AFAIK, everything is working just fine and there is no issue in this regard :) -- Remember: All of us are smarter than any one of us. Best Regards, amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad Areas of Involvement https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement My Projects https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: Roadmap for 14.04
Hi Julien Thanks for your detailed email. I understand there is not enough infrastructure currently to support training, mentoring, and performing many changes prior to 14.04 roll out. I am mostly concerned with the future development of our community. Since I am not only new to Lubuntu( and Linux) but also have no computer background( all biological sciences and economics here), I rely on your opinion and input. Are there any steps, you know of, that we as a community can take now to attract and promote the technical human power we need for a growing future? Sincerely, David Yentzen On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Dale Visser dale.vis...@gmail.com wrote: I've been quite busy with family stuff and work today, but thanks for the replies. I'll take a look over at Lubuntu Software Center, and see if there are any issues I could see myself tackling. I've never used Bazaar or the Launchpad issue trackers, so there will be some learning curve involved. Best regards, Dale Sent from my Windows Phone -- From: Jackson Doak nosk...@ubuntu.com Sent: 11/19/2013 2:01 PM To: Aere Greenway a...@dvorak-keyboards.com Cc: lubuntu user list lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Roadmap for 14.04 dale: I'm not sure what lubuntu specific stuff is java, maybe just find some general bugs. As mentioned above, the lubuntu software centre is python, so any bugfixes for that would be great On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:45 AM, Aere Greenway a...@dvorak-keyboards.comwrote: On 11/19/2013 03:08 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote: 2013/11/18 Iberê Fernandes ibere.fernan...@gmail.com Regarding: Since the next release is a “all-you-can-fix” roadmap, maintaining it will be IMO a waste of time. If you want to work on something specific, talk to me by mail or IRC (gilir on #lubuntu). I agree it'll be a waste of time if we may be moving to LXQt on 14.10 cycle. Hence, does 14.04 has to remain LTS yet? I mean, should we drop the LTS idea for 14.04 once: - LXDE is dying; - we're missing devs and LTS would demand support together with the non-LTS releases. - LXQt seems to be not ready for 14.04 I'm not sure it will be quite ready for 14.10 either (we have to change all the GTK applications to Qt version, it's quite a lot of work to test the integration of all of them). But with a 14.04 LTS, we can release a not-so-stable-and-finished 14.10 Qt version, because we still can advise people to keep 14.04. The goal also, is to focus on maintaining the LTS version, and development the Qt version until it's stable enough to completely switch to it. That should make the maintenance possible (1 version to maintain, 1 to develop). Regards, Julien Lavergne Julien: This approach makes good sense to me. I agree, for what it's worth. -- Sincerely, Aere -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: Roadmap for 14.04
Ibere, Thank you for your response. I did not know this about Julien, however, I suspected something as such. The community does seem to be self-regulating for the most part but perhaps some type of consensus decision making style Release Manager may be of benefit. No, I have not, yet, read Jono Bacon's book-its on my list. I have read Eric Raymond's CatB and Butler Shaffer's Boundaries of Order( a study of the nature of human organizations and institutions). But, my original query still goes unanswered( and perhaps there is no answer)? Best Regards, David On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Iberê Fernandes ibere.fernan...@gmail.comwrote: 2013/11/22 David Yentzen dbyent...@gmail.com: Hi Julien Thanks for your detailed email. I understand there is not enough infrastructure currently to support training, mentoring, and performing many changes prior to 14.04 roll out. I am mostly concerned with the future development of our community. Since I am not only new to Lubuntu( and Linux) but also have no computer background( all biological sciences and economics here), I rely on your opinion and input. Are there any steps, you know of, that we as a community can take now to attract and promote the technical human power we need for a growing future? Sincerely, David Yentzen On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 9:11 PM, Dale Visser dale.vis...@gmail.com wrote: I've been quite busy with family stuff and work today, but thanks for the replies. I'll take a look over at Lubuntu Software Center, and see if there are any issues I could see myself tackling. I've never used Bazaar or the Launchpad issue trackers, so there will be some learning curve involved. Best regards, Dale Sent from my Windows Phone From: Jackson Doak Sent: 11/19/2013 2:01 PM To: Aere Greenway Cc: lubuntu user list Subject: Re: Roadmap for 14.04 dale: I'm not sure what lubuntu specific stuff is java, maybe just find some general bugs. As mentioned above, the lubuntu software centre is python, so any bugfixes for that would be great On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:45 AM, Aere Greenway a...@dvorak-keyboards.com wrote: On 11/19/2013 03:08 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote: 2013/11/18 Iberê Fernandes ibere.fernan...@gmail.com Regarding: Since the next release is a “all-you-can-fix” roadmap, maintaining it will be IMO a waste of time. If you want to work on something specific, talk to me by mail or IRC (gilir on #lubuntu). I agree it'll be a waste of time if we may be moving to LXQt on 14.10 cycle. Hence, does 14.04 has to remain LTS yet? I mean, should we drop the LTS idea for 14.04 once: - LXDE is dying; - we're missing devs and LTS would demand support together with the non-LTS releases. - LXQt seems to be not ready for 14.04 I'm not sure it will be quite ready for 14.10 either (we have to change all the GTK applications to Qt version, it's quite a lot of work to test the integration of all of them). But with a 14.04 LTS, we can release a not-so-stable-and-finished 14.10 Qt version, because we still can advise people to keep 14.04. The goal also, is to focus on maintaining the LTS version, and development the Qt version until it's stable enough to completely switch to it. That should make the maintenance possible (1 version to maintain, 1 to develop). Regards, Julien Lavergne Julien: This approach makes good sense to me. I agree, for what it's worth. -- Sincerely, Aere -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users David, Julien is not dealing with governance anymore since sometime in 2012... that's why it'd be nice to have a Release Manager to do (or sort of do) the governance thing. So Julien is focused on development. Have you ever read The Art of Community, by Jono Bacon (Ubuntu Community Manager)? The 2nd edition is availalbe (free) at http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/get/ -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ibere-Fernandes -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: Roadmap for 14.04
On 2013-11-23 04:02, David Yentzen wrote: Ibere, Thank you for your response. I did not know this about Julien, however, I suspected something as such. The community does seem to be self-regulating for the most part but perhaps some type of consensus decision making style Release Manager may be of benefit. No, I have not, yet, read Jono Bacon's book-its on my list. I have read Eric Raymond's CatB and Butler Shaffer's Boundaries of Order( a study of the nature of human organizations and institutions). But, my original query still goes unanswered( and perhaps there is no answer)? Best Regards, David Hi David, Do you mean this one: I understand there is not enough infrastructure currently to support training, mentoring, and performing many changes prior to 14.04 roll out. I am mostly concerned with the future development of our community. Since I am not only new to Lubuntu( and Linux) but also have no computer background( all biological sciences and economics here), I rely on your opinion and input. Are there any steps, you know of, that we as a community can take now to attract and promote the technical human power we need for a growing future? It seems to me, that we have to create those steps, if we want Lubuntu to thrive ;-) Best regards Nio -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [Lubuntu-qa] People do not understand the desktop installer
It happened again :-( See this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1769482page=79p=12855281#post12855281 and oldfred's reply in the following post. - I have never trusted any of the auto install options. Generally they seem to work, but often then when things start to go wrong, they just snowball. I find that Something else or manual install has always worked, but then you have to know more than most new users. You have to manually partition, choose partitions format like ext4 and mount like / (root). Only users that have previously installed or know about partitions could do that. I also find it safer to have Windows on one drive and Linux on other drives, but many users today have laptops, so they do not have that option unless they use an external drive. - I think this another way of describing the problem. There are not enough warnings in the desktop and alternate installers. And it should be easy to fix it. Best regards Nio On 2013-10-24 23:42, Dale Visser wrote: I noticed a similar lack of warning in my upgrade install. I was on a VM with snapshot backup in place, but still... I noticed that of you don't read *everything* *carefully* before clicking, you could quickly pave something important. As an aside, I couldn't figure if it was possible for me to pave my '/' partition, but leave my '/usr/local' and '/home' partitions alone. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Andre Rodovalho mailto:andre.rodova...@gmail.com Sent: 10/24/2013 5:05 PM To: Iberê Fernandes mailto:ibere.fernan...@gmail.com Cc: ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com; JM mailto:me...@gmx.fr; lubuntu...@lists.launchpad.net mailto:lubuntu...@lists.launchpad.net; Lubuntu Comms mailto:lubuntu-co...@lists.launchpad.net; lubuntu user list mailto:Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] People do not understand the desktop installer I checked Ubiquity, when you choose dual boot option, next window on wizard show the graph, lubuntu and Windows alongside... But if the replace option is selected, there is nothing but the Install now button... Once you hit that, it's all gone! 2013/10/24 Iberê Fernandes ibere.fernan...@gmail.com mailto:ibere.fernan...@gmail.com 2013/10/24 Nio Wiklund nio.wikl...@gmail.com mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com On 2013-10-24 17:36, JM wrote: On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 15:26:19 +0200 Nio Wiklund nio.wikl...@gmail.com mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everybody, Today, there is another person, who misunderstood the partitioning dialogue of the desktop installer. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183287 'When I went to install 13.10 I chose the option to remove windows and replace with Ubuntu. I had two partitions when I chose this. One with files I wanted to keep and the other being the windows 7 partition. When I chose to remove windows I assumed it would be placed on my C drive and not my other one. But what actually ended up happening was all my partitions merged into one deleting everything. Now I only have Ubuntu on my drive. I need help retrieving my files please!' -o- This is what I have been telling, when describing the One Button Installer '... Case 1: Tool that is easy to use and just works The normal linux installers that come with iso files are complicated to use or freeze during the installation process, and you want a tool that is easier to use and just works. ... a. The Desktop Installer is flexible and looks nice, and is generally easy to understand, but the partitioning page can make people confused. There are several threads at the Ubuntu Forums describing installations, where a previous system has been overwritten by mistake. ...' It is really too bad, and something that should be improved in 14.04 Best regards Nio Hi, A window with a warning in big and red could be added before the person can access to the apply button. Something such as: WARNING YOU MIGHT DESTROY YOUR DATA : HAVE YOU DONE A BACKUP OF YOUR PERSONAL DATA BEFORE PROCEEDING? ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO PROCEED? Followed by a Yes and a Quit button. (Perhaps not all in high case... I don't use html in mails). And the installer has a partitionning tool which IS really
Re: [Lubuntu-qa] People do not understand the desktop installer
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Nio Wiklund nio.wikl...@gmail.com wrote: It happened again :-( See this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1769482page=79p=12855281#post12855281 and oldfred's reply in the following post. - I have never trusted any of the auto install options. Generally they seem to work, but often then when things start to go wrong, they just snowball. I find that Something else or manual install has always worked, but then you have to know more than most new users. You have to manually partition, choose partitions format like ext4 and mount like / (root). Only users that have previously installed or know about partitions could do that. I also find it safer to have Windows on one drive and Linux on other drives, but many users today have laptops, so they do not have that option unless they use an external drive. - I think this another way of describing the problem. There are not enough warnings in the desktop and alternate installers. And it should be easy to fix it. Best regards Nio If anyone is interested, I am ready to chair a session (Google Hangout) to discuss and do a brainstorming about this. I still believe Ubiquity is not broken despite some bugs and to be fair, it is not always the users' fault but maybe our fault too for not providing clear and enough explanation? but then again, whenever I think about it, I ended up to find out that most of those users are NOT actually 'reading' because they are still dealing with Linux as it is just a Windows a like system that whatever worked for them in Windows, might also work with Linux - click click, next next, ok ok, cancel cancel, etc without reading - and as all of you know, Linux is not Windows :) We DO need to, not only spread the word of Linux/Ubuntu (and its flavours) but to ALSO explain how to use that in the best and correct way. Newcomers may not be interested in 'reading' so why not give them something interested to watch for example? I think we have discussed all the options in the past. IMHO, if anyone really wants to end this discussion once and for all, I'd recommend to have a meeting or brainstorming session to finish this because IMHO, it is a waste of time to talk about it every now and then :) either to sit, talk and reach to an agreement or roadmap of what we can do and what we can't do or simply keep everything as it is a move forward and I'd choose the first option :) Thank you! -- Remember: All of us are smarter than any one of us. Best Regards, amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad Areas of Involvement https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement My Projects https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: When can i get sound events in lubuntu?
Hello Lyz, On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:07 AM, Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph l...@ubuntu.comwrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Israel israeld...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that system sounds would increase the over-all size of the OS, and playing a sound for an event would cause drain on resources. However, this being GNU/Linux, giving choice to users would be nice. Maybe having lubuntu-sounds package could make optional sounds easy to install (and have it configured). It may not be a consideration for Lubuntu, but for low vision users having sounds enabled by default helps a considerable amount. A login sounds help the user know that the desktop is loading, for instance. This is a very valid point that I didn't think of. Indeed, this could help those a lot. I agree :) Personally I turn them off too, nothing more embarrassing than a start up sound when I start up my computer during a talk at a conference :) Haha, yes, I can tell :D @Everyone Is there a way to have Sound Event Feature either installed by default OR can be installed later BUT in both cases, it won't be working by default (autostart) unless the user him/her self enables it so in that case, the user is the one and only person who will control how his/her system will work :) As we are using Linux, we should believe in all its philosophies and give freedom to our users to choose from. Or at least explain all the options and be clear that we can do it or we can't and why. I always believe Documentation is, at some point, much more important than development. IMHO, it is pointless to have the best developer on earth with the best code/software on earth and there is no one knows how to use it, am I right? :) I also have an idea :) @Sergio, Lubuntu needs to have this issue cleared and explained on the Wiki Pages. I think I have seen something similar but not quite sure. But, the FAQ Section need to be cleaned because it is a mess IMHO. It is very important for the FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) to be up-to-date to save time from discussing the same issue over and over again. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides And, the above link is not really FAQs, it actually has nothing to do with FAQs. FAQs must be simple Q with simple A, that is all. I'd suggest to have a new page for these kinds of FAQs to make life easier for everyone and Serigo, you know you can have that in a blink of an eye if you need :P let me know :) but I shall NOT create any new page unless I know what you are planning, that is why I brought this to the table of discussion. It is not really off-topic, the sound event topic is not new :) -- Remember: All of us are smarter than any one of us. Best Regards, amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad Areas of Involvement https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement My Projects https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects -- Lubuntu-users mailing list Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users
Re: [Lubuntu-qa] People do not understand the desktop installer
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Nio Wiklund nio.wikl...@gmail.com wrote: On 2013-11-23 07:55, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Nio Wiklund nio.wikl...@gmail.com mailto:nio.wikl...@gmail.com wrote: It happened again :-( See this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1769482page=79p=12855281#post12855281 and oldfred's reply in the following post. - I have never trusted any of the auto install options. Generally they seem to work, but often then when things start to go wrong, they just snowball. I find that Something else or manual install has always worked, but then you have to know more than most new users. You have to manually partition, choose partitions format like ext4 and mount like / (root). Only users that have previously installed or know about partitions could do that. I also find it safer to have Windows on one drive and Linux on other drives, but many users today have laptops, so they do not have that option unless they use an external drive. - I think this another way of describing the problem. There are not enough warnings in the desktop and alternate installers. And it should be easy to fix it. Best regards Nio If anyone is interested, I am ready to chair a session (Google Hangout) to discuss and do a brainstorming about this. I still believe Ubiquity is not broken despite some bugs and to be fair, it is not always the users' fault but maybe our fault too for not providing clear and enough explanation? but then again, whenever I think about it, I ended up to find out that most of those users are NOT actually 'reading' because they are still dealing with Linux as it is just a Windows a like system that whatever worked for them in Windows, might also work with Linux - click click, next next, ok ok, cancel cancel, etc without reading - and as all of you know, Linux is not Windows :) We DO need to, not only spread the word of Linux/Ubuntu (and its flavours) but to ALSO explain how to use that in the best and correct way. Newcomers may not be interested in 'reading' so why not give them something interested to watch for example? I think we have discussed all the options in the past. IMHO, if anyone really wants to end this discussion once and for all, I'd recommend to have a meeting or brainstorming session to finish this because IMHO, it is a waste of time to talk about it every now and then :) either to sit, talk and reach to an agreement or roadmap of what we can do and what we can't do or simply keep everything as it is a move forward and I'd choose the first option :) Thank you! -- Remember: All of us are smarter than any one of us. Best Regards, amjjawad https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad Areas of Involvement https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/AreasOfInvolvement My Projects https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/Projects Hi Ali, Lyz, Nicholas and everybody else who cares about this problem, Hi my friend, I do care about this a lot, hence my replies :) We have discussed it, but the installers remain unchanged, and more people overwrite their systems. How can we change the installers? Indeed, we have discussed that over and over again however, we are coming back and start the loop from the beginning. I still think and believe it is a problem with the mentality of the users not the installer. I mean, they used to use Windows their entire life and they refuse to 'read' and 'be careful' because they think Linux will read their minds and do what they want magically without any error. Well, that is not entirely true. They need to have some basic level of understanding before jumping in. My opinion could be weird for someone who is newcomers advocate but I am trying to be realistic. If you want to change this, don't change the installer (don't fix it if it is not broken) but try to change how those users are thinking or dealing with their system. The warning is there, they failed to read it. Will adding yet another warning will solve this issue 100%? Should this issue be raised to the Ubuntu or Canonical level rather than this Lubuntu discussion mail forum? We need to agree and come up with a plan, that is all :) Rather than keep us locked inside an infinite loop :D It would be nice with a video clip, but there is a big risk, that users in the 'risk category' will not watch that video. You asked, you answered your own Q :D If they failed to 'read' the warning and if they failed to 'watch' a video then do you really think anything else will help? A big red warning must be there right in front of the user during the installation, and it should be necessary to click somewhere else (and not only press the Enter key) to get passed that warning. I am not going to repeat myself, really, but if this will
