RE: Roadmap proposal for Lubuntu 15.04

[Dale Visser]

> There is a new Ubuntu variant, called "ubuntuMATE", which has a desktop 
> based on Gnome 2.
> 
> In reading about it, I got the impression (which may not be correct) 
> that they are maintaining Gnome 2 (and its libraries).

It is my understanding from a recent interview 
(http://mate-desktop.org/blog/mate-interview-with-linux-luddites/) with Martin 
Winpress (a contributor to both MATE Desktop and Ubuntu MATE), that MATE is 
being transitioned to gtk3. Here's a status page: 
http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/status:gtk3
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RE: LxRandr 0.3.0

[Dale Visser]

I thought that might be the case. Likely in 15.04, though, right?

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Sent: ‎9/‎30/‎2014 8:28 AM
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Subject: Re: LxRandr 0.3.0

On Lubuntu 14.10 Beta 2, LXRandR About displays 0.1.2

This beta is not yet a release candidate, but (my opinion) the chance of
the new LXRandR breaking the Feature Freeze now seems somewhat unlikely

(FWIW) xrandr --version displays:
xrandr program version   1.4.1
Server reports RandR version 1.4

+Artemgy

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Will this be in Lubuntu 14.10?: http://blog.lxde.org/?p=1255

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LxRandr 0.3.0

[Dale Visser]

Will this be in Lubuntu 14.10?: http://blog.lxde.org/?p=1255

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RE: in reply to PeppermintOS 5 Released

[Dale Visser]

I recently had to re-confirm my list membership because the list server was 
getting a lot of bounces from my e-mail provider.

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From: c. marlow<mailto:ch...@marlows.org>
Sent: ‎6/‎25/‎2014 12:27 PM
To: lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com<mailto:lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: in reply to PeppermintOS 5 Released

I am guessing the mail server is playing hookie and not sending all the
messages through or something, because Normally I hear back from someone
and I know someone else had posted a week or two ago if their message
had went though or not because no one ever answered their question.


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Subject: Re: PeppermintOS 5 Released
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:23:40 -0500
From: c. marlow 
To: lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com




On 06/24/2014 07:55 AM, Dale Visser wrote:
> I use Lubuntu 14.04 on our living room machine and my work machine,
> but the OS that got me started down the path of "LXDE on Ubuntu" was
> Peppermint 3, which was based off of Lubuntu 12.04 (unknown to me at
> the time). My daughter's netbook, and the Dell I'm writing this on run
> Peppermint 3 quite happily.
>
> It's produced out of my area of the world (southeast United States),
> and the latest, just released, Peppermint 5, has been based off of
> Lubuntu 14.04:
>
> http://peppermintos.com/
>
> I have no plans to install it, since right now all my systems will get
> security updates for years to come, but it looks like a great release
> that might interest others on this list.
>
>



I have always been a fan of LU but finally gave up on 14.04... Just too
buggy right now, if you have been following with the group emails or not
of the things I have been reporting.

Right now I have a full install of LU on the bottom, but I have XFCE
installed on top of it, since this is my day to day machine, I put up
with the quirks of LU for a couple weeks and finally gave up and put
Xubuntu on top of Lubuntu. Sure LU is still there, just got to log out
and on the log in screen click LU DESKTOP but in XFCE I hid all the LXDE
applications but a couple. I think the only one I didnt hide with
alacarte is the LXTASK I dont care for xubuntus I like how Lu's tells
you CPU usage and memory usage.

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PeppermintOS 5 Released

[Dale Visser]

I use Lubuntu 14.04 on our living room machine and my work machine, but the OS 
that got me started down the path of "LXDE on Ubuntu" was Peppermint 3, which 
was based off of Lubuntu 12.04 (unknown to me at the time). My daughter's 
netbook, and the Dell I'm writing this on run Peppermint 3 quite happily.

It's produced out of my area of the world (southeast United States), and the 
latest, just released, Peppermint 5, has been based off of Lubuntu 14.04:

http://peppermintos.com/

I have no plans to install it, since right now all my systems will get security 
updates for years to come, but it looks like a great release that might 
interest others on this list.
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RE: UOS

[Dale Visser]

Many good, important points were made on the page. To me, this one is 
particularly important, though: "After the LXQt migration, we have to change 
most of our applications"

It's my understanding that the Lubuntu developer team is relatively small. 
Don't forget they are committed to support  a non-Qt LTS release at the same 
time now.

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From: Israel
Sent: ‎6/‎8/‎2014 9:07 AM
To: Phill Whiteside
Cc: lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: UOS

Hey Phil!
I know that Lubuntu isn't going to move to LXQt right away, and the
applications are not picked out, etc..
I was just wondering if you'd be talking about it, and showing people
where Lubuntu is going, so people interested in Lubuntu
can see where things are heading.  I have read the e-mails from Julien,
and realize that 14.10 is not the LXQt target
Mainly, you were asking for material to talk about, and I find LXQt very
interesting and was wondering if you would discuss it, and the current
(at the time of the UOS) progress so the
participants will know what is going on, and how Lubuntu is changing.  I
suppose LXQt will need to be in Utopic before much discussion can be
had, though.
If you don't want to talk about LXQt then that is quite fine, I do find
it quite interesting though.

Also, thanks for that link it does centralize the info about 14.10's
current state very well!


On 06/07/2014 05:59 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> Hiyas Israel,
>
> please do read Julien's thoughts on the matter[1]... 14.04 / 14.10 is
> the discussion. He will inform us of what is planned for 15,04 once
> plans are in place.
>
> I also suggest that people do read the emails from the head of dev :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
> 1. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/14.10
>
>
>
> On 7 June 2014 21:40, Israel  > wrote:
>
> On 06/07/2014 12:23 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> as you may, or not, be aware the virtual Ubuntu Developers Summit
>> has become Ubuntu Online Summit. One of many changes is that
>> classrooms and beginners week have been added in.
>>
>> I've booked a session for lubuntu to say who we are etc [1]. This
>> will be based on a presentation I gave at Ubuntu Beginners Week a
>> couple of cycles ago[2]. That was a 30 minute IRC presentation,
>> this is 60 mins in a hang-out (hmm, need to make sure I'm clean
>> shaven :) P
>>
>> As this is an hour session and things have moved on since 2012,
>> can the TL's have a review of that presentation and suggest
>> things that can be added in (also known as make it last an hour).
>> I'll update any facts that need doing myself. Please feel free to
>> add in any wishlist you have for further people to the
>> sub-teams[3] you look after.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Phill.
>> 1. 
>> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/meeting/22284/introduction-to-lubuntu/
>> 2. http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/10/24/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t16:30
>> 3. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams
>>
>>
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>>
> Hi Phil!
> Are you going to discuss LXQt at all?
> I'd like to have some of the current state of Lubuntu moving to Qt
> discussed.  You may want to have some screen shots of the current
> progress, and the current list of the default apps (or point
> people to the blueprints), and maybe discuss some of the default
> apps to see if anyone has any ideas, etc..
> BTW, qupzilla is in the repos, so this is a good choice for the
> x86 versions of Lubuntu as default Web-browser.
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RE: Mozilla SeaMonkey

[Dale Visser]

Agreed. I stick with Firefox for the same reasons.

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Sent: ‎6/‎4/‎2014 4:58 PM
To: Dale Visser<mailto:dale.vis...@live.com>
Subject: Re: Mozilla SeaMonkey

Dale Visser:

> Firefox uses Gtk, not Qt. If the distribution wants to avoid packaging Gtk 
> libs on the ISO, they will need to consider Qt-based browsers. I'm not sure 
> what those are, besides presumably Konqueror.

Ok. Thanks for the info. As for qt native browser i think qupzilla is
better than konqueror.

So, practically, to stick with firefox even in a qt environment until
there will come either a firefox-qt or another browser equally
configurable would mean to install the basic gtk libraries, wouldn't it?

As i said before, i really need firefox because it's by far the best
browser if privacy is an issue for you ... ;-)

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RE: Lubuntu 14.10 and after

[Dale Visser]

I think the two projects (LXDE and RazorQt) simply found common goals, 
philosophy and duplication of effort. I imagine they figured everybody working 
on the same thing would produce better results overall. Lubuntu devs don't gave 
much choice other than forking LXDE, which would be taking on more work than 
they want, I'm sure.

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From: c. marlow
Sent: ‎5/‎30/‎2014 12:02 PM
To: lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: Lubuntu 14.10 and after


On 05/30/2014 06:52 AM, N. W. wrote:
> Hello,
>
>> Julien Lavergne wrote:
>>
>> [...] - After the LXQt migration, we have to change most of our
>> applications to have Qt ones. It needs time to discuss, compare, test
>> and integrate them. We have to change 80 to 90 % of our seed … [...]
> may I ask why that is?
>
> Why do you have to replace GTK+ applications with Qt applications when
> going from LXDE to LXQt?
>
> Why would it be bad to use GTK+ applications on LXQt?
>
> I mean, with what application do you want to replace Sylpheed (or Claws
> Mail) for example?
>
> With KMail? Or with Trojitá? Not sure if those can replace Sylpheed (or
> Claws Mail)?
>
> Just an example.
>
> Regards
>

So we wont have a choice after 14.04 which I just upgraded to, we will
all be forced to QT based apps?

qt is what, KDE base apps right? all of KDE uses QT right?

I dont understand why they're forcing us to move over? Whats so ground
breaking about LXQT than what were using now LXDE?

Christopher

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RE: 14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with update-manager/notifier

[Dale Visser]

I may be seeing this as well on my two Lubuntu 14.04 systems.

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From: John Hupp<mailto:lubu...@prpcompany.com>
Sent: ‎5/‎13/‎2014 5:18 PM
To: bapou...@ubuntu.com<mailto:bapou...@ubuntu.com>; Dale 
Visser<mailto:dale.vis...@live.com>; lubuntu user 
list<mailto:lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: Re: 14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with update-manager/notifier

On 5/12/2014 6:09 AM, bapoumba wrote:
> Hello !
>
> On Sun, 11 May 2014 20:07:35 +0200, John Hupp 
> wrote:
>
> It's now been 3 full days, and I have not been notified about any
> available updates yet.  A manual run of Software Updater now shows
> 4.3 MB available.  So it does not seem that the delay is due to
> phased updates, but that the bug 1046563 is still active here.
>
> @bapoumba, you seemed to have the same problem.  Any new observations?
>
> As I mentioned in the forums thread, some of the packages I had
> spotted have shown up in update-notifier. I'm keeping an eye on this
> and will report again if packages are not being pushed in
> update-notifier after the 3-4 days watch period when no bugs or issues
> are reported.
> Of course, the upgrade process will explicitly be stopped in
> update-notifier if bugs are reported.
> I'll have a closer look later tonight (I'm UTC +1).
>
> Regards,
> b.
>
>
>
>
> And of course, there is also the other issue in the discussion at
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=325 -- the
> discrepancy between updates found by update-manager and by
> Synaptic or apt-get upgrade -- and I don't know of a bug report in
> connection with that.  I have not myself seen this second issue.
> Apt-get upgrade current offers 4.3 MB of upgrades, just as
> Software Updater does.
>
> On 5/8/2014 12:43 PM, John Hupp wrote:
>> OK, I'm in good position to test whether this is the old bug at
>> work or simply phased updates working properly.  I just ran
>> Software Updater manually and it identified 683 KB of updates
>> available for the Lubuntu Base.  I did not install the updates,
>> so within 2.5 days I should be notified that there are updates
>> available.
>>
>> On 5/8/2014 8:26 AM, bapoumba wrote:
>>> Ah very very good point
>>> :http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
>>> <http://people.canonical.com/%7Eubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html>
>>> the iputils packages are showing up on that page.
>>> Thank you much, I always forget about phase updates..
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Dale Visser
>>> mailto:dale.vis...@live.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You may just be encountering "phased updates" for the first
>>> time in this version:
>>> 
>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/phased-updates-to-start-rolling-out-for-ubuntu-13-04
>>>
>>> It takes 2.5 days for a new phased update to roll out to all
>>> users. Apt-get bypasses the delays and gets everything that
>>> can be updated.
>>>
>>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: bapoumba <mailto:bapou...@ubuntu.com>
>>> Sent: ‎5/‎8/‎2014 5:50 AM
>>> To: John Hupp <mailto:lubu...@prpcompany.com>
>>> Cc: lubuntu user list <mailto:lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
>>> Subject: Re: 14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with
>>> update-manager/notifier
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> thanks for the email, I was about to post one.
>>>
>>> First off, I'd like to apologize for silently joining the
>>> list a few weeks back. So hello, you'll mainly find me on
>>> the forums :)
>>>
>>> I've added a few things to the forums thread, and linked the
>>> bug report here
>>> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main
>>> <https://code.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main>
>>> I've also added "trusty" to the title.
>>>
>>> Now I'm not that familiar with update-manager
>>> (software-updater) and not sure where to look at to
>>> troubleshoot and add useful information.
>>>

RE: Lubuntu 14.10 and after

[Dale Visser]

This seems like a very sensible plan, waiting until LXQt and Qt5 get to a level 
of stability. Perhaps we'll see LXQt in 15.04. :-)

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From: Julien Lavergne
Sent: ‎5/‎11/‎2014 11:11 AM
To: lubuntu user list
Subject: Lubuntu 14.10 and after

Hi,

Time to start thinking about 14.10, and after. The future of LXDE
(gtk2+ part) is uncertain, as only a few devs are currently improving
the code (and the work is focused on the panel and the file manager)
with an LTS behind us, we have the possibility to make massive changes
without the fear of having support problem. However, migrate to Qt and
LXQt for 14.10 seems too much optimistic :

- LXQt is in alpha stage, and we are not even sure there will be no
breakage in the future (see next point)

- LXQt is Qt4, and it's migrating to Qt5. I don't think we should jump
into the Qt4 version, if we are going to break things again when
migrate to Qt5.

- Pushing all LXQt into official repositories will take time. Without
them, no real and official ISO testing will be possible. Usually, we
have to set up this things for Alpha 1, to have time to make
adjustments. For now, A1 is out of the target, even with Qt4 version
of LXQt.

- After the LXQt migration, we have to change most of our applications
to have Qt ones. It needs time to discuss, compare, test and integrate
them. We have to change 80 to 90 % of our seed …

- Migrate from Gtk to Qt for the theming is not the easiest thing to
do … We need time in this area too.

For those reasons, I don't think migrate to Qt for 14.10 is a good
idea. I'll propose this plan :

- For 14.10, keep the gtk part and update packages only.

- Preparing the choice of default Qt applications

- Releasing testing ISOs with Qt packages (outside the official Ubuntu
building system).

- Work on Qt5 with LXQt people

- Push LXQt Qt5 version into official repositories

- Look at the state of LXQt + our default applications choices and
make a decision after 14.10 release.

Any comments on this ?

Regarding 14.10, we need a release manager as both phillw and me are
not going to be fully available for this (for different reasons). The
release manager is in charge of delivering the final ISO, by doing
mostly QA work, and coordinates the work of different people according
to the schedule.

If you want to participate in this area, please send phillw and me a
mail with a description of what you will do as a release manager of
Lubuntu (it's like a job interview, be convincing :-)) Also, it's not
necessary a 1 people job, we may take several people for the help).
It's also an important part of the release process of Lubuntu, that's
why it's not open to everyone.


Regarding the Qt migration, LXQt packages are already available in
https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/lubuntu-daily You have to
install lxqt-metapackage. They are build directly from git, so be
prepared to various breakages. If you have problem using them, feel
free to ask on the mailing list.

Regarding the change of default applications, I'm preparing blueprints
to discuss every topics, please don't create any extra topics until I
finish the initial ones (I have aprox. 30 topics to set up …). You can
monitor https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/qt-migration
for the progress. Please wait those blueprints before starting the
flow of discussion on the audio player and the webbrowser ...


Regards,

Julien Lavergne

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RE: 14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with update-manager/notifier

[Dale Visser]

You may just be encountering "phased updates" for the first time in this 
version: 
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/phased-updates-to-start-rolling-out-for-ubuntu-13-04

It takes 2.5 days for a new phased update to roll out to all users. Apt-get 
bypasses the delays and gets everything that can be updated.

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From: bapoumba
Sent: ‎5/‎8/‎2014 5:50 AM
To: John Hupp
Cc: lubuntu user list
Subject: Re: 14.04 seems subject to bug 1046563 with update-manager/notifier

Hello,

thanks for the email, I was about to post one.

First off, I'd like to apologize for silently joining the list a few weeks
back. So hello, you'll mainly find me on the forums :)

I've added a few things to the forums thread, and linked the bug report
here https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main
I've also added "trusty" to the title.

Now I'm not that familiar with update-manager (software-updater) and not
sure where to look at to troubleshoot and add useful information.
To me, the biggest issue is the discrepancy between apt-get upgrade and
software updater.

Would anyone know ?

Have a good day !


On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 9:13 PM, John Hupp  wrote:

> I don't find the issue in the Lubuntu or Ubuntu 14.04 Release Notes, but
> it seems like 14.04 is subject to https://bugs.launchpad.net/
> ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1046563, reported for 12.04, in which
> automatic updating fails.
>
> I was noticing that I wasn't being prompted to install software updates.
>  I ran Software Updater (update-manager) manually once and got a big batch
> of updates.  I ran it manually again today and it identified another batch
> that I could get.  It included updates for Software Updater, so perhaps
> that will fix the problem.
>
> There is a big discussion of the problem at http://ubuntuforums.org/
> showthread.php?t=325. And beyond the notification problem, a number
> of people report seeing big differences between the updates identified by
> update-manager and Synaptic.
>
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RE: My Lubuntu Trusty upgrade experiences

[Dale Visser]

Brian:

I suppose reasonable people can disagree on what is best 
here. I was not really harmed by my lack of understanding about the 
delay. As I said, both upgrade methods went as well as could be 
expected, which is a testament to the hard work of the Ubuntu and 
Lubuntu developer teams.

I sometimes forget that the world moves 
on "internet time" now, which is even faster than the "24-hour news 
cycle" introduced a couple of decades ago by CNN. Even I lacked the 
patience to sit and read the announcement in detail before I acted.

Best regards,
Dale

> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 06:51:25 -0700
> From: br...@ubuntu.com
> To: dale.vis...@live.com
> CC: ali.li...@amjjawad.net; ubuntu-qual...@lists.ubuntu.com; 
> Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: My Lubuntu Trusty upgrade experiences
> 
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 07:25:24PM -0400, Dale Visser wrote:
> > I blush and stand corrected. It indeed said "will be" and  "shortly".
> > I still maintain it would be better to hold the announcement until the
> > moment it can simply say "are".
> 
> There is only one announcement for the release though and the isos were
> available to download, just the switch for activating release upgrades
> was not flipped. Would it make sense to hold back the whole
> announcement?
> 
> Additionally, in the several releases of Ubuntu I have been a part of
> this is the time this has been a prolonged difference between upgrades
> and isos being available.
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RE: My Lubuntu Trusty upgrade experiences

[Dale Visser]

I blush and stand corrected. It indeed said "will be" and  "shortly". I still 
maintain it would be better to hold the announcement until the moment it can 
simply say "are".

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Sent: ‎4/‎18/‎2014 5:32 PM
To: Brian Murray<mailto:br...@ubuntu.com>; 
ubuntu-qual...@lists.ubuntu.com<mailto:ubuntu-qual...@lists.ubuntu.com>
Cc: lubuntu user list<mailto:Lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Subject: Re: My Lubuntu Trusty upgrade experiences


On 04/18/2014 06:38 PM, Brian Murray wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 04:27:38PM +0200, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>> 2014-04-18 16:16, Dale Visser skrev:
>> ...
>>> My suggestion for the future is not to jump the starting gun with the
>>> announcement, i.e., please don't announce until people will be able to
>>> easily upgrade with update-manager, or at least give a warning in the
>>> announcement that some time may pass before update-manager will see the
>>> upgrade possibility.
>>>
>> +1
>>
>> I think this is a general Ubuntu issue. Maybe Ubuntu-quality is a better
>> forum, so I add it to the recipient list.
Hi,

> The release announcement for Ubuntu did include a warning albeit a
> subtle one:
>
> "Users of Ubuntu 12.10 and 13.10 will be offered an automatic upgrade to
> 14.04 LTS via Update Manager shortly."

Indeed, there is:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2014-April/000182.html

The 'real' problem is, only very few who actually 'read' the
announcement/release notes. I have no idea why people don't listen to
any advice nor actually read?
I have spent 3 hours or more today just to repeat the same sentence to
Ubuntu GNOME users: "please read the release notes".

The answer of all/most of the Qs - at least in my case which is Ubuntu
GNOME related - that I have answered today, was here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuGNOME

Most of users blame the system but when they think about it for a
minute, they will figure out they didn't read the notes :)

It happens with each release and I don't think it will ever over :(
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My Lubuntu Trusty upgrade experiences

[Dale Visser]

About 25 hours ago, I was excited to see the announcement go out earlier
than expected that Lubuntu 14.04 LTS had been released.

About 21 hours ago, I sat down at one of my two Saucy instances, which
is a VM I use on my work machine for software development. First, I made
a snapshot of the VHD to be cautious. 'sudo update-manager' failed to
show me that Trusty was available. Using the -d option would have
allowed me to switch to developer channel and upgrade that way, but I
wasn't sure what that would do to my configuration. I opted to download
an ISO, boot my VM from it, and choose upgrade in the installer. That
went fine, but as I've experienced in the past when doing this, my
Tomcat configuration and applications got blown away, and had to be
restored. I also had to re-add my user account back to the vboxsf group
so that I could access some host OS folders.

My other machine is a dual-boot system (with Windows 7 Home Premium)
attached to our living room PC. It is mostly for gaming, but I also keep
my Thunderbird e-mail client on it. I waited until this morning (2 hours
ago) to try 'sudo update-manager' on it. After a few saucy updates, it
then notified me of trusty's availability, which I then easily upgraded
to. I am typing this e-mail on a successfully upgraded system. The only
extra step after upgrade was to re-add a third-party repository I use
back (spideroak).

Very smooth experience on that second upgrade! :-) It's possible the
Tomcat and VirtualBox issues on the first upgrade would also occur with
'update-manager'. Does anybody know?

My suggestion for the future is not to jump the starting gun with the
announcement, i.e., please don't announce until people will be able to
easily upgrade with update-manager, or at least give a warning in the
announcement that some time may pass before update-manager will see the
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RE: Mozilla Firefox-Startpage

[Dale Visser]

I tend to be extra paranoid, and set my Firefox homepage to a DuckDuckGo URL 
that specifies searches via HTTPS with the search query in the encrypted 
request body. If there was a way to set the search box to take advantage of 
this, too, I would love to know about it.

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From: fari...@arcor.de
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To: brendanperr...@gmail.com; 
Israel
Cc: lubuntu user list
Subject: Re: Mozilla Firefox-Startpage

Am 24.03.2014 18:32, schrieb brendanperr...@gmail.com:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 5:00 AM, Israel  > wrote:
>
> [ . . . ]
>
> +1 to duckduckgo!
> You don't necessarily need to contact ubufox people, can't Lubuntu
> bundle a different start page?
> I though that was one of the options when customizing a build of Ubuntu.
> We could, actually build a page that contains those search engines
> (both) and uses the Lubuntu logo, right?
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That what was i thought too. :D

But in any case, it does not hurt to have contacted the ubufox people as
well. ;-)

I'm not sure: duckduckgo comes by default as a searchengine option in
firefox? Personally, i deleted yahoo,bing,amazon from that default list
and added: ixquick (https), metager (https), firefox help and leo (a
vocabulary). Mycroft as a source of hundreds of searchengines is useful.

Also, i'm not sure if duckduckgo (when it comes with firefox by default)
is https or not.

Personally, as quoted already before, i think a mini-introduction (under
a link button) on how to add searchengines especially from the point of
view of privacy/security would be smart. Together with mentioning https
everywhere (eff.org). I think once you have installed that, any search
engine would be automatically https, given it exists as such (no need of
special installs).

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RE: Dual display, non-mirrored

[Dale Visser]

I agree lxrandr lacks flexibility, but when I looked at their official pages, I 
think that is by design. I would say installing arandr or learning xrandr 
should be the suggested remedies for users needing to go beyond lxrandr.

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From: Israel
Sent: ‎3/‎13/‎2014 9:33 AM
To: lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: Dual display, non-mirrored

On 03/13/2014 02:11 AM, Lars Noodén wrote:
> On 03/12/2014 11:17 PM, brendanperr...@gmail.com wrote:> I think you
> have to install arandr as a graphical frontend. Lxrandr doesn't
>> really attempt or itnended to provide this feature.
> On 03/13/2014 01:21 AM, Israel wrote:
>> I use arandr
>> It works very well and is very easy to use.  I had the same issue as you
>> do.
>> sudo apt-get install arandr
> Thanks.  arandr is very useful, I hadn't seen it before.
>
> Yes, lxrandr seems to be missing the side-by-side capability so I've put
> in a feature request:
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxrandr/+bug/1291817
>
> Regards,
> /Lars
>
great I will mark it affecting me so it gets confirmed!

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RE: Ubuntu 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) reaches End of Life on January

[Dale Visser]

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I see upgrade instructions for Ubuntu desktop and server, as well as
Kubuntu. Do any of those apply to Lubuntu?

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'. From: Ali Linx (amjjawad)
Sent: =E2=80=8E1/=E2=80=8E7/=E2=80=8E2014 2:27 AM
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Subject: Fwd: Ubuntu 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) reaches End of Life on
January 27 2014
FYI

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From: Adam Conrad 
Date: Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 10:54 AM
Subject: Ubuntu 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) reaches End of Life on January 27
2014
To: ubuntu-annou...@lists.ubuntu.com
Cc: ubuntu-security-annou...@lists.ubuntu.com


Ubuntu announced its 13.04 (Raring Ringtail) release almost 9 months
ago, on April 25, 2013.  This was the first release with our new 9
month support cycle and, as such, the support period is now nearing
its end and Ubuntu 13.04 will reach end of life on Monday, January
27th.  At that time, Ubuntu Security Notices will no longer include
information or updated packages for Ubuntu 13.04.

The supported upgrade path from Ubuntu 13.04 is via Ubuntu 13.10.
Instructions and caveats for the upgrade may be found at:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SaucyUpgrades

Ubuntu 13.10 continues to be actively supported with security updates
and select high-impact bug fixes.  Announcements of security updates
for Ubuntu releases are sent to the ubuntu-security-announce mailing
list, information about which may be found at:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-security-announce

Since its launch in October 2004 Ubuntu has become one of the most
highly regarded Linux distributions with millions of users in homes,
schools, businesses and governments around the world. Ubuntu is Open
Source software, costs nothing to download, and users are free to
customise or alter their software in order to meet their needs.

On behalf of the Ubuntu Release Team,

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customise or alter their software in order to meet their needs.

On behalf of the Ubuntu Release Team

RE: Merry Christ mas!

[Dale Visser]

  Great job, Israel! While I hadn't mentioned it, I've hit this issue, too.
It's good to know there's now a way to address it. If you have a blog, this
would be great to share there as well, for anybody using LXDE, and not
using the upcoming 14.04, which I bet will include some version of your
script.

Best regards,
Dale Visser

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From: Israel 
Sent: ‎12/‎24/‎2013 4:22 PM
To: lubuntu user list 
Subject: Merry Christ mas!

  Hey everyone, I have made a little script to convert the icons to a
specific size.
It also makes a backup of your current xpm files.
I am no  Bash programmer, but it works so I would suggest someone who
is knowledgeable about it look at my file and see if there is some better
programming that can be done to make this nicer, and if any of the devs are
around (after the holidays of course) I'd like to know if this can be
adapted to be used in the menu updating script.
You can tweak this to make different sizes...
This is something that requires SUDO.
Please make sure you are comfortable running potentially dangerous commands
before testing this out.  I have tested it on my computer, and it works for
me.  I'll attach the file, and put it into the e-mail so it is available to
look at before you download it or run it.  If anything about it needs to be
explained I'd be glad to explain what I did, though if you are good a shell
scripting, I am sure you can think of a better way of doing this.

the things you can edit are
size=24x24  make this whatever size you like... I find 24x24 is good for
the menu...

I have 2 backup directories  if you try it once backup is created.  if
backup exists extraBackup is created.
If you keep trying it you will get an error that extraBackup already exists.
backup=/usr/share/pixmaps/backup/
extraBackup=/usr/share/pixmaps/extraBackup/

You will not be prompted for anything except your password at the beginning.
Here it is:


#!/bin/bash
shopt -s nullglob
iconDir=/usr/share/pixmaps/
backup=/usr/share/pixmaps/backup/
extraBackup=/usr/share/pixmaps/extraBackup/
cd "$iconDir"
putfiles=(*.xpm)
size=24x24
echo "This will require a password to backup and convert your icons"
if [ ! -d "$backup" ]; then
echo "Making a backup of $iconDir"
sudo mkdir ${backup}
for file in "${putfiles[@]}"; do
   sudo cp ${file} ${backup}
   echo "$file has been saved to $backup"
done
fi
if [ -d "$backup" ]; then
echo "You have already backed up your files once...  I'll make another
directory called $extraBackup"
sudo mkdir ${extraBackup}
for file in "${putfiles[@]}"; do
   sudo cp ${file} ${extraBackup}
   echo "$file has been saved to $extraBackup"
done
fi

echo "This will convert the xpm files to $size"
for file in "${putfiles[@]}"; do
  echo "Processing $file"
  sudo convert ${file} -scale $size ${iconDir}${file}
  echo "Saved to $iconDir $file"
done

echo "Done!"

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RE: latest chromium-browser using high cpu on any page

[Dale Visser]

  Oops... I meant for that to go to the list. Thanks, Israel! :-)

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From: Israel 
Sent: ‎12/‎15/‎2013 11:21 AM
To: Dale Visser 
Subject: Re: latest chromium-browser using high cpu on any page

  You replied only to me...
It has integrated addblock features, and you can easily turn off
JavaScript, and manage what cookies are sent/kept, Click to Play, HTML5
data that is kept, etc...  It has a lot of nice features built in to it.
So far I have really enjoyed using it.  Importing bookmarks is pretty
painless as well.

On 12/15/2013 08:48 AM, Dale Visser wrote:

 I looked at the Qupzilla homepage, and agree it could be an excellent
choice for the default browser. I personally use FF for the set of
extensions I like (esp. NoScript and LastPass), and even on Chrome/Chromium
like a certain set of extensions. For a basic user, though, having a super
fast, low-resource, yet functional browser like Qupzilla would make for a
great default.

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From: Israel 
Sent: ‎12/‎15/‎2013 8:41 AM
To: lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: latest chromium-browser using high cpu on any page

 @Jordan

I was being excited about QupZilla, not Chromium.
I think the thing to offer the choice of browsers would be the ubiquity
installer.  I have never looked at what makes up ubiquity, so I have no
idea.  I am not even sure what language it was written in.

I don't know what the dev options are for QupZilla, but it might end up
being a nice browser for day-to-day browsing.  I suppose the reality of
switching to it at a later date will be if it is Actively developed, and
has a strong developer community behind (i.e. wont disappear overnight),
though WebKit itself has a strong community of developers, so it should be
fair safe, and offer a good browsing experience.  Also it would need to be
in the official repositories to actually be included, and would need a lot
of testing on a lot of machines.

I was really just excited to have a Qt browser that is fast and has a lot
of features to use on old computers when LXQt comes out one day in the
future (and is fully usable).

@sd you should check out QupZilla, it offers quite a bit.  (Alt+Scroll
Wheel for horizontal scrolling).  Not sure if all the dev options available
would suit you, but it allows for WebKit  plugins.  I just started trying
it out, and am pretty impressed with it so far.  It is a much nicer
alternative to Opera, as Opera is closed source/proprietary.



On 12/14/2013 10:42 PM, Jordan wrote:

 I would hesitate to make Chromium "standard" until the browser is
demonstrated to be compatible with most popular Chrome plug-ins (especially
security plugins.)  Sure, Chromium might be a good alternative for lower
spec machines.  Still many lubuntu users will end up removing the Chromium
package pronto, as I did with older lubuntu releases.  Maybe it'd be better
to offer users a choice between Chromium and FF.  Can this be done through
the software center?  I don't use the software center, so I don't know its
possibilities.

Jordan


On 12/14/2013 11:29 PM, Israel wrote:

 This is simply amazing.  I think this would make an excellent default...
but of course I just downloaded it, and configured it.  I will have to do
some testing to see what all it can handle, and how fast everything is.
With LXQt coming soon... this would be an excellent addition to the
lineup... though I just started using it 5 min ago... so this enthusiasm
may be premature.

On 12/14/2013 08:12 PM, David Yentzen wrote:

 I have never used Midori with Lubuntu so cannot comment on it. FF works
well on my Lubuntu machine but I have been using QupZilla lately. It is
very fast, opening in less than 2 secs and page response it also very
fast.  It is lightweight with minimal plug-ins but does all that I need,
you may wish to try it out.  There is a ppa for it here:

https://launchpad.net/~nowrep/+archive/qupzilla<https://launchpad.net/%7Enowrep/+archive/qupzilla>

 Regards
 David




On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Israel  wrote:

> ubuntu-bug chromium
>
> should report it just fine.
> I have found Opera runs very fast on my oldest computers, though it is
> proprietary.  If you have a REALLY slow computer it makes using the
> internet much more plesant, though I would rather it be free and open.
> I did a lot of testing of all the web browsers on that computer, before
> I gave it to someone.  I tried Chromium, Firefox, Opera, Dooble, Midori,
> Seamonkey (well most of the browsers in the repos, except Konq) and all
> of them took +5 Seconds to open.  Firefox took about 1 second less than
> Chromium, and Opera took about 2 seconds, pages also responded much
> quicker, than in the others, and if I had a bunch of stuff going it
> wouldn't bog down completely.  Midori was also pretty fast (for
> navigating), but loaded the same a

RE: [Lubuntu-qa] Back on 13.10 release - Lxsession Edit

[Dale Visser]

  Ooh... I like that mockup. I installed Google Chrome on 13.10 for my son,
and I was having a hard time figuring out how to set the default browser
back to Firefox.

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To: Julien Lavergne 
Cc: Lubuntu QA ; JM ; lubuntu
user list 
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] Back on 13.10 release - Lxsession Edit

I could do that, because you're tool does all my tweak mockup showed, and a
few things more. Just adding more tabs to my mockup and filling with your
tool ;)

http://imgur.com/NkaA0eJ

Julien Lavergne  wrote:


2013/11/21 JM 

> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:34:00 -0200
> Iberê Fernandes  wrote:
>
> > Mélodie,
> >
> > Regarding lxsession edit, I agree with you: I'm still fighting to
> > understand it. (I'm a Lubuntu user since 11.10)
> >
> > However, some other folks seems to have got how it works:
> >
> http://mylinuxexplore.blogspot.com.br/2013/10/lubuntu-1310-saucy-salamander-review.html
> >
> > "Though Lubuntu is yet to get an LXDE control center like PCLinuxOS
> > LXDE or ROSA and the settings items are scattered through Menu ->
> > Preferences. Another interesting addition I saw is the Default
> > applications for LXSession entry in Preferences. Earlier adding any
> > program to autostart in LXDE would mean hitting the terminal. But, now
> > with this option, adding programs to autostart (from Running or
> > Launching applications and/or directly adding an entry to autostart)
> > has become a lot easier. Further, settings give options of changing
> > default DE, adding Gnome Dbus and/or setting up Lubuntu in laptop
> > mode. I like Lubuntu more than any of the previous versions that I
> > have used."
> >
> > Well, that's the blogger opinion... not mine though.
> >
> > Just wanted to share a different point of view.
>
>
> Hello,
> An opinion which is nice to read at but which unfortunately doesn't bring
> the first clue
> about what in that bench of buttons does what. :?
>
>
> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DI5LLU4D2Go/UmJo43HBJaI/Isw/tCuJsz9jCGc/s912/lxsession-default-apps_029.png
>

Well, I'm completely agree with the actual design of lxsession-default-app,
for now is more a debug tool, that a real user tool. One of my goal for
this cycle is to make it better. I worked more on the backend than on the
UI last cycle. Again (I probably said it a couple of times already), any UI
input are welcomed.

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RE: Roadmap for 14.04

[Dale Visser]

  I've been quite busy with family stuff and work today, but thanks for the
replies. I'll take a look over at Lubuntu Software Center, and see if there
are any issues I could see myself tackling. I've never used Bazaar or the
Launchpad issue trackers, so there will be some learning curve involved.

Best regards,
Dale

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Sent: ‎11/‎19/‎2013 2:01 PM
To: Aere Greenway 
Cc: lubuntu user list 
Subject: Re: Roadmap for 14.04

dale: I'm not sure what lubuntu specific stuff is java, maybe just find
some general bugs. As mentioned above, the lubuntu software centre is
python, so any bugfixes for that would be great


On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:45 AM, Aere Greenway wrote:

>  On 11/19/2013 03:08 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
>
>
>  2013/11/18 Iberê Fernandes 
>
>>
>> Regarding:
>> > Since the next release is a “all-you-can-fix” roadmap, maintaining it
>> will
>> > be IMO a waste of time. If you want to work on something specific, talk
>> to
>> > me by mail or IRC (gilir on #lubuntu).
>>
>>  I agree it'll be a waste of time if we may be moving to LXQt on 14.10
>> cycle.
>>
>> Hence, does 14.04 has to remain LTS yet? I mean, should we drop the
>> LTS idea for 14.04 once:
>> - LXDE is dying;
>> - we're missing devs and LTS would demand support together with the
>> non-LTS releases.
>> - LXQt seems to be not  ready for 14.04
>>
>
>  I'm not sure it will be quite ready for 14.10 either (we have to change
> all the GTK applications to Qt version, it's quite a lot of work to test
> the integration of all of them). But with a 14.04 LTS, we can release a
> "not-so-stable-and-finished" 14.10 Qt version, because we still can advise
> people to keep 14.04. The goal also, is to focus on maintaining the LTS
> version, and development the Qt version until it's stable enough to
> completely switch to it. That should make the maintenance possible (1
> version to maintain, 1 to develop).
>
>  Regards,
>  Julien Lavergne
>
>
>
>  Julien:
>
> This approach makes good sense to me.  I agree, for what it's worth.
>
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RE: Roadmap for 14.04

[Dale Visser]

I might be willing to do some development, but I have no idea if I have
the appropriate skill set. I am experienced with Java, and have some
experience with Python and Jython.

Sent from my Windows Phone From: Nio Wiklund
Sent: ‎11/‎19/‎2013 5:30 AM
To: NikTh; lubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: Roadmap for 14.04
On 2013-11-19 11:26, NikTh wrote:
>
>
> On 11/19/2013 12:08 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure it will be quite ready for 14.10 either (we have to
>> change all the GTK applications to Qt version, it's quite a lot
>> of work to test the integration of all of them). But with a 14.04
>> LTS, we can release a "not-so-stable-and-finished" 14.10 Qt
>> version, because we still can advise people to keep 14.04. The
>> goal also, is to focus on maintaining the LTS version, and
>> development the Qt version until it's stable enough to completely
>> switch to it. That should make the maintenance possible (1
>> version to maintain, 1 to develop).
>
>
> Yeap, my thoughts exactly.
>
> +1 to above.

+1 [Nio]

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RE: Request to subscribe myself as part of Lubuntu Team

[Dale Visser]

  Aniket:

Welcome to the team!

Best regards,
Dale Visser

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Hi all,

I would like to take this opportunity to introduce myself to all users &
members of Lubuntu. I am Mr. Aniket Salunkhe and after discussion with Ali
on google hangout I am willing to become a part of Lubuntu Team.

Professionally I am software developer, working on embedded platform with
C, C++. Prior to that I did my masters in computers through one of the
recognized National Institute of India.

Besides my work routine, I do couple of activities and try to learn new
things. During that process, with one of my friend, I was trying to build
customizable debain based ISO (lightweight with few essential packages).
While researching on it I got to know about Lubuntu project. Through Ali I
came to know that Lubuntu project is similar (rather better) to what we
were trying to achieve. Ali also suggested me to contribute Lubuntu
project. Considering this as good opportunity to become a part of open
source project and learn new things, I am stepping forward.

I am looking forward to contribute this project with you all and learn the
system.

Best Regards,
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RE: [Lubuntu-wiki-docs] [Proposal] New Header for Lubuntu Wiki Area

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  I like it. I assume the wiki precludes niceties like drop-down menus?

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Subject: [Lubuntu-wiki-docs] [Proposal] New Header for Lubuntu Wiki Area

Hello,

I know Sergio is working on a new header for Lubuntu but I decided to save
his time and also learn something new as this idea is inspired by Xubuntu
Wiki Area - yes, these days, it seems I fully inspired by Xubuntu ;)

NEW: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Header2


Current Header: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Header



   1. More options
   2. Highlighting the most important links
   3. More beautiful and organized
   4. Colours must be light so that the orange links could be visible
   5. Changing the background colours not really hard at all
   6. Adding more links should not be a problem and will not mess the whole
   thing - more space for more links
   7. Users don't really have to dig deeper to get something
   8. Download Link has been added
   9. Does not require any kind of icons at all
   10. Contains all the 5 links on the current header


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RE: How do you change the user picture on the login screen?

[Dale Visser]

This looks like an excellent thing to document in the Lubuntu official
docs or the wiki.

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To: Federico Leoni; Aere Greenway
Cc: Lubuntu Users
Subject: Re: How do you change the user picture on the login screen?
On 2013-11-13 18:47, Federico Leoni wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> as far as I understand Aere is asking for a way to change the USER
> IMAGE, not the wallpaper...
> To change the user picture you need to create a file called
>
> .face
>
> in jpg format and without any extension then put it on your home
> folder. The image need to be a square one (I use 400x400 pixel). Don't
> forget the dot.
> Png format doesn't work on LightDM but works for GDM. Tested on both
> 13.04 and 13.10. Don't know if there is a gui for this, normally the
> file isn't present on Lubuntu home folder.
>
> F.
>
Hi Federico and Aere

Thanks for understanding Aere's request :-) I think you are right about
that.

And I would like to add, that I use png files for transparence with
lightdm. They work in users-admin (I just checked). Maybe some Lubuntu
desktop specific program(s) won't manage png files, for example the
greeter (I don't remember the name of it). The greeter that comes with
standard Ubuntu shows png format .face files (and it uses lightdm).

Best regards
Nio

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RE: Yet, another mistake on Lubuntu Website

[Dale Visser]

  I find these types of version issues all over the (choose your
flavor)Ubuntu sites. Very often a link that is supposed to be for the
current version takes you to a previous release.

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Subject: Yet, another mistake on Lubuntu Website

Hi,

http://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-1310-saucy-salamander-released

Go to:

Ubuntu Release notes

For common issues with Ubuntu, please refer to the Ubuntu release
notes
.

Click on the link and you will see:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseNotes

Raring is 13.04 :)

I am sure there are many more from these mistakes but I have no time to dig
deeper :)
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Happy upgrade experience with 13.10-amd64

[Dale Visser]

  For about a year, our family room PC has been running Edubuntu 12.04
(dual boot with Windows 7).

Lately, I've been wanting my sons to have access to a later version of
GCompris, and they wanted the latest version of Super Tux Cart. Since I've
been quite happy so far with Lubuntu 13.04 and 13.10 on my work PC, I
upgraded the Edubuntu system  to Lubuntu 13.10-amd64.

It went nearly perfectly. I *did* have to manually recreate their login
accounts, but their files and settings were still there! :-)

Thanks for a great release!

Dale Visser
(dale-visser on launchpad)

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RE: One Button Installer next step

[Dale Visser]

I have experience with BT Sync, and think it could be a good solution.

Sent from my Windows Phone From: Federico Leoni
Sent: ‎11/‎5/‎2013 4:16 PM
To: Nio Wiklund
Cc: lubuntu...@lists.launchpad.net; Phill Whiteside; lubuntu user list
Subject: Re: One Button Installer next step
About Trasmission, I forgot to say you need transmission-cli package
too to operate via console...

And to create a torrent storage online at full speed... How about this?

http://www.bittorrent.com/intl/en/sync

F.

2013/11/5 Federico Leoni :
> 2013/11/5 Nio Wiklund :
>> Hi Federico and Phill, and everybody else who wants to contribute with
>> tips or opinions about the OBI,
>>
>> I have started with the next step(s) developing the OBI. I have done
>> some work already with items 1 and 4 (making and selecting tarballs).
>> 
>> The current step
>>
>> 1. Make tarball: xz compression by default.
>> Select compression, tarball name, drive in a menu
>>
>> 2. Add in README how to install language properly
>>
>> 3. Move in README mkusb before manual method
>>
>> 4. Select tarball:
>> Make clear what is the standard (and easy) method
>> Own directory for tarballs: /tarballs linked with ~/tarballs
>> Import tarballs via the internet: lynx and/or wget
>>
>> 5. dd-image-file with Lubuntu 13.10 included
>>
>> 
>> Further in the future
>>
>> 6. Lubuntu-Xubuntu tarball
>>
>> 7. Use prepared partitions (made with gparted) to install tarball and
>> swap. This opens the door to dual boot systems with the OBI.
>> 
>>
>> Please help me evaluate Lynx for importing tarballs!
>> -
>> Use this manual
>>
>> To download tarballs:
>>
>> 1. Select download with Lynx
>> 2. Repeat the 'Arrow Down' key until you high-light the desired tarball.
>> 3. Press the 'Enter' key
>> 4. Press the 'd' key to download the tarball
>> 5. Press the 'Arrow Down' key to high-light 'Save to disk'
>> 6. Press the 'Enter' key
>> 7. Edit the file name if you wish and press 'Enter' again
>> 8. Press 'q' to quit.
>> 9. Confirm quitting with 'y'
>> -
>> and run this command
>>
>> lynx phillw.net/isos/one-button-installer/tarballs/
>>
>> Is Lynx easy enough?
>>
>> Or is it necessary to use another system, that is easier to run?
>>
>> - a home-made dedicated system with dialog menus or
>>
>> - to add graphics into the OBI session and run a 'normal browser' to
>> download tarballs or
>>
>> - to set up a torrent system (also add graphics into the OBI session and
>> use a standard torrent client. (I'm using Transmission, but I'm open for
>> other software, for example, is there a good text mode torrent client?)
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>
> I don't like much Lynx but could be a good solution. A torrent system
> would be the best choice but without browser, and Transmission can
> operate via command line installing the package transmission-daemon
> and using it directly in your script.
> Let me finish some work and I'll look on it. Did you already update
> the OBI dd image and the mkusb script?
>
> F.

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Re: Just Checking :)

[Dale Visser]

I have only recently started using Lubuntu as my primary work environment
[1].  I have progressed in the last couple of years from Ubuntu (Unity)
12.04 LTS to  Ubuntu Gnome 13.04 now to Lubuntu 13.10. This latest is due
to my happy experiences with Peppermint 3 [2], and with shipping one demo
as a Lubuntu 13.04 VirtualBox VM.

I am mostly passively lurking on the list, and hope to jump in in on some
of the planning activities for 14.04 LTS.

Thank you for a great distro!

Best regards,
Dale Visser

[1] About my work environment: I do a fair amount of software development,
mostly demonstration prototypes, for the research organization I work for.
I am based in the United States, and my employer's IT department issues us
all Windows 7 Pro machines. I end up doing my software development work
within a VirtualBox VM. While my PC has pretty good specs, I am drawn to
LXDE due to my VirtualBox environment being buggy when turning on 3D
accelaration, so I wanted a desktop environment that doesn't drag down a
system that does not have 3D accelaration.
[2] http://peppermintos.com/ I have it on 3 personal laptops at home. I
believe Peppermint 3 is based off of Lubuntu 12.04.
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RE: [Lubuntu-qa] People do not understand the desktop installer

[Dale Visser]

  I noticed a similar lack of warning in my upgrade install. I was on a VM
with snapshot backup in place, but still... I noticed that of you don't
read *everything* *carefully* before clicking, you could quickly pave
something important.

As an aside, I couldn't figure if it was possible for me to pave my '/'
partition, but leave my '/usr/local' and '/home' partitions alone.

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Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-qa] People do not understand the desktop installer

I checked Ubiquity, when you choose dual boot option, next window on wizard
show the "graph", lubuntu and Windows alongside... But if the replace
option is selected, there is nothing but the Install now button... Once you
hit that, it's all gone!


2013/10/24 Iberê Fernandes 

> 2013/10/24 Nio Wiklund 
>
>>  On 2013-10-24 17:36, JM wrote:
>> > On Thu, 24 Oct 2013 15:26:19 +0200
>> > Nio Wiklund  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi everybody,
>> >>
>> >> Today, there is another person, who misunderstood the partitioning
>> >> dialogue of the desktop installer.
>> >>
>> >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183287
>> >>
>> >> 'When I went to install 13.10 I chose the option to remove windows and
>> >> replace with Ubuntu. I had two partitions when I chose this. One with
>> >> files I wanted to keep and the other being the windows 7 partition.
>> When
>> >> I chose to remove windows I assumed it would be placed on my C drive
>> and
>> >> not my other one. But what actually ended up happening was all my
>> >> partitions merged into one deleting everything. Now I only have Ubuntu
>> >> on my drive. I need help retrieving my files please!'
>> >>
>> >> -o-
>> >>
>> >> This is what I have been telling, when describing the One Button
>> Installer
>> >>
>> >> '...
>> >> Case 1: Tool that is easy to use and just works
>> >>
>> >> The normal linux installers that come with iso files are complicated to
>> >> use or freeze during the installation process, and you want a tool that
>> >> is easier to use and just works.
>> >> ...
>> >> a. The Desktop Installer is flexible and looks nice, and is generally
>> >> easy to understand, but the partitioning page can make people confused.
>> >> There are several threads at the Ubuntu Forums describing
>> installations,
>> >> where a previous system has been overwritten by mistake. ...'
>> >>
>> >> It is really too bad, and something that should be improved in 14.04
>> >>
>> >> Best regards
>> >> Nio
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > A window with a warning in big and red could be added before the person
>> can access to the
>> > "apply" button. Something such as:
>> >
>> > WARNING YOU MIGHT DESTROY YOUR DATA : HAVE YOU DONE A BACKUP OF YOUR
>> PERSONAL DATA BEFORE
>> > PROCEEDING?
>> >
>> > ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO PROCEED?
>> >
>> > Followed by a "Yes" and a "Quit" button. (Perhaps not all in high
>> case... I don't use
>> > html in mails).
>> >
>> > And the installer has a partitionning tool which IS really confusing. I
>> would suggest to
>> > request that it be removed and calling Gparted which is much easier to
>> understand,
>> > imo, or it should be graphically improved and made perfect before being
>> provided to
>> > everybody.
>> >
>> > I anwered to the person at the forum and provided links to testdisk and
>> tutorials.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mélodie
>> >
>> Thanks Mélodie for providing help to the poor fellow who misunderstood
>> the installer!
>>
>> I was so absorbed by reporting the problem, that I forgot to help ... I
>> will follow the case, and if testdisk does not work, and nobody else is
>> faster than I, [I will] suggest PhotoRec.
>>
>> -o-
>>
>> Yes a warning screen is a good thing. Also a description of what will be
>> wiped or overwritten (for each particular case). I agree that gparted is
>> easier to understand, and available in the desktop iso file.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
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> From the Facebook posts to our list:
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> Interesting user experience.
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Re: Lubuntu Shared Folder issue in VirtualBox 4.2.18

[Dale Visser]

Specifically, I use Windows as my host and Linux as my guest, since I have
limited control over the configuration of my work machine. I assume you are
wondering how to install VirtualBox 4.3.0 on Ubuntu/Lubuntu 13.10 to use
that as the host. As far as I can tell, the version of VirtualBox currently
in the "saucy salamander" packages is 4.2.16:
http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/virtualbox It is possible to download a
.deb package of v4.3.0 directly from Oracle, though:
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads


On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Phill Whiteside  wrote:

> Is there a 4.3.0 available in anything that can be uploaded and installed
> for 13.10?
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
>
> On 18 October 2013 21:20, Dale Visser  wrote:
>
>> Yes, I had been using these shared folders for a couple of years now, and
>> they were set up automount and writable. In diagnosing things, I also tried
>> manually mounting a transient shared folder. I had the same result, i.e.,
>> the host shared folder contents would not appear. Only moving my VirtualBox
>> to version 4.3.0 solved things.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Andre Rodovalho <
>> andre.rodova...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You were using automount option?
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/10/18 Dale Visser 
>>>
>>>> This may be of general interest to users of other Ubuntu 3.10 variants
>>>> as well. The following is copied from my blog post at
>>>> http://bit.ly/177408M:
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday, I upgraded my Ubuntu Gnome 13.04 (64-bit) virtual machine to
>>>> Lubuntu 13.10. I rely on the VirtualBox Shared Folders feature to keep my
>>>> git repositories in sync with bare copies on network drives at my
>>>> workplace. (My Host OS is Windows 7, and my workplace IT infrastructure is
>>>> Windows-based.)
>>>>
>>>> To my horror, today I discovered I could not access my shared folders
>>>> from my new Guest OS. I even created a “clean” new Lubuntu 13.10 guest
>>>> machine, which exhibited the same issue. (Yes, I carefully performed the
>>>> dance of apt-get update, upgrade, install dkms, install guest additions,
>>>> and rebooting after each install.) So I knew it wasn’t an issue with the
>>>> upgrade process.
>>>>
>>>> Then, I remembered that the other day, I saw an Oracle announcement
>>>> that VirtualBox 4.3.0 had been released. I’m running version 4.2.18. Sure
>>>> enough, upgrading to the latest VirtualBox, and installing its Guest
>>>> Additions solved the issue. I’m assuming there have been changes in the
>>>> Linux Kernel (Ubuntu 13.10 is running the 3.11 kernel) that necessitated
>>>> updates to Guest Additions.
>>>>
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Re: Lubuntu Shared Folder issue in VirtualBox 4.2.18

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Yes, I had been using these shared folders for a couple of years now, and
they were set up automount and writable. In diagnosing things, I also tried
manually mounting a transient shared folder. I had the same result, i.e.,
the host shared folder contents would not appear. Only moving my VirtualBox
to version 4.3.0 solved things.


On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Andre Rodovalho
wrote:

> You were using automount option?
>
>
> 2013/10/18 Dale Visser 
>
>> This may be of general interest to users of other Ubuntu 3.10 variants as
>> well. The following is copied from my blog post at http://bit.ly/177408M:
>>
>> Yesterday, I upgraded my Ubuntu Gnome 13.04 (64-bit) virtual machine to
>> Lubuntu 13.10. I rely on the VirtualBox Shared Folders feature to keep my
>> git repositories in sync with bare copies on network drives at my
>> workplace. (My Host OS is Windows 7, and my workplace IT infrastructure is
>> Windows-based.)
>>
>> To my horror, today I discovered I could not access my shared folders
>> from my new Guest OS. I even created a “clean” new Lubuntu 13.10 guest
>> machine, which exhibited the same issue. (Yes, I carefully performed the
>> dance of apt-get update, upgrade, install dkms, install guest additions,
>> and rebooting after each install.) So I knew it wasn’t an issue with the
>> upgrade process.
>>
>> Then, I remembered that the other day, I saw an Oracle announcement that
>> VirtualBox 4.3.0 had been released. I’m running version 4.2.18. Sure
>> enough, upgrading to the latest VirtualBox, and installing its Guest
>> Additions solved the issue. I’m assuming there have been changes in the
>> Linux Kernel (Ubuntu 13.10 is running the 3.11 kernel) that necessitated
>> updates to Guest Additions.
>>
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Lubuntu Shared Folder issue in VirtualBox 4.2.18

[Dale Visser]

This may be of general interest to users of other Ubuntu 3.10 variants 
as well. The following is copied from my blog post at http://bit.ly/177408M:


Yesterday, I upgraded my Ubuntu Gnome 13.04 (64-bit) virtual machine to 
Lubuntu 13.10. I rely on the VirtualBox Shared Folders feature to keep 
my git repositories in sync with bare copies on network drives at my 
workplace. (My Host OS is Windows 7, and my workplace IT infrastructure 
is Windows-based.)


To my horror, today I discovered I could not access my shared folders 
from my new Guest OS. I even created a “clean” new Lubuntu 13.10 guest 
machine, which exhibited the same issue. (Yes, I carefully performed the 
dance of apt-get update, upgrade, install dkms, install guest additions, 
and rebooting after each install.) So I knew it wasn’t an issue with the 
upgrade process.


Then, I remembered that the other day, I saw an Oracle announcement that 
VirtualBox 4.3.0 had been released. I’m running version 4.2.18. Sure 
enough, upgrading to the latest VirtualBox, and installing its Guest 
Additions solved the issue. I’m assuming there have been changes in the 
Linux Kernel (Ubuntu 13.10 is running the 3.11 kernel) that necessitated 
updates to Guest Additions.


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Re: Lubuntu 13.10 is Released !!

[Dale Visser]

Thank you Lubuntu team. I just successfully used the upgrade install to change 
my Ubuntu Gnome 13.04 machine to Lubuntu 13.10. Not a single issue!

On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:27:41 -0500
David Yentzen  wrote:

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