Re: Je by Dowland
The version I have is 106 measures long and only calls for a 7th course tuned a whole step below the 6th course. It contains some lovely variations with a nice running bass line in the latter part of the piece. It might be Polak's Jeune Filette. My edition has something like a hunderd measures more, but this might have to do with editing. Only 7th course one step down from 6 and running bass near the end is like Polak. David
Re: Je by Dowland
I am aware of versions of variations on Une Jeune Fillette as follows:- Schele Ms (Hamburg) attributed to Dowland but with similarities to but not the same as Batchelar, see below - I have to rely on other views of this because my photocopy has the attribution cut off and I can't work out folios or page numbers, 9 course, 7th - 9th course in F, E flat and C Besard - Thesauris Harmonicus, 7th Book, Allemandes, P 131v. - 7 course, 7th course in F Vallet - Secretum Musarum 1, Fol F3, p 43. 9 course, 7th - 9th course in F, E flat and C den Hove 1612 (Delitiae Musicae) attributed to Jaob Polak (Iacques Pollonis) but with an added variation by den Hove himself, Fol 55v, 7 course, 7th in F Lord Herbert of Cherbury and Pickering both have Batchelar's version, not quite identical (are they ever?) but undoubtedly the same version with only minor variants apart from variations 5 and 6 in Herbert which are absent from Pickering I am also aware of a courante in Piccinini 1623 book and OI think a version for Chitarrone. There are doubtless many others, perahps under the name of La Monica or even, I understand a Bach Chorale. Does anyone know of any others? As far as I can tell the versions above are distinct although inevitably there are strong similarities. Richard Corran
Ave Maria
Tanks to all help in finding Ave Maria's for (voice and) lute. I might add a very exciting Aria by Kapsberger (1612): Ave Sanctissima Maria. That'll go for sure in the programme. David * David van Ooijen Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://home.planet.nl/~d.v.ooijen/ * Read about my latest Japanese CD and hear a sample at http://home.planet.nl/~d.v.ooijen/david/ensembles/chiyomi.html
Re: Oberlin Baroque Performance Institute, 20 June - 3 July 2004 (and LSA!)
In a message dated 2/27/04 11:55:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Note that the Lute Society of America seminar (27 June - 3 July) will=20 overlap with the second week of BPI and is less than an hour away at Case=20 Western Reserve University in Cleveland. An enterprising lutenist with two= =20 weeks to spend away from home this summer could attend the first week of=20 BPI and then continue on to the LSA seminar! Please note, too, that an enterprising _singer_ with two weeks to spend away from home this summer could attend the first week of BPI and then continue on to the LSA seminar (Ellen Hargis is the vocal coach teach a class on lute song with Jacob Heringman and a class on interpreting ballads). Kenneth Be Cleveland, Ohio --
Re: Je by Dowland
Dear Richard, Une jeune fillette / La Monica a.s.o. [Bach: Von Gott will ich nicht lassen (organ) = a spiritual song to the Jeune fillette-Melodie by the swissman Gletting from the sixteenth century] is to be found in so many versions that it would be impossible to name them all in an E-mail. The critical commentary to Frescobaldi's Missa sopra l'aria dell Monica lists many of them, as does John Wendland's article Madre non mi far Monaca: The Biography of a Renaissance Folksong (Acta Musicologica 48, 1976, p. 185-204). Wendland thinks - if I remember well - that the italian version is the original, but it always seemed to me that the french Allemande has the birthright. Y.S., Joachim Richard Corran [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: I am aware of versions of variations on Une Jeune Fillette as follows:- Schele Ms (Hamburg) attributed to Dowland but with similarities to but not the same as Batchelar, see below - I have to rely on other views of this because my photocopy has the attribution cut off and I can't work out folios or page numbers, 9 course, 7th - 9th course in F, E flat and C Besard - Thesauris Harmonicus, 7th Book, Allemandes, P 131v. - 7 course, 7th course in F Vallet - Secretum Musarum 1, Fol F3, p 43. 9 course, 7th - 9th course in F, E flat and C den Hove 1612 (Delitiae Musicae) attributed to Jaob Polak (Iacques Pollonis) but with an added variation by den Hove himself, Fol 55v, 7 course, 7th in F Lord Herbert of Cherbury and Pickering both have Batchelar's version, not quite identical (are they ever?) but undoubtedly the same version with only minor variants apart from variations 5 and 6 in Herbert which are absent from Pickering I am also aware of a courante in Piccinini 1623 book and OI think a version for Chitarrone. There are doubtless many others, perahps under the name of La Monica or even, I understand a Bach Chorale. Does anyone know of any others? As far as I can tell the versions above are distinct although inevitably there are strong similarities. Richard Corran -- Dr. Joachim Luedtke Frühlingsstraße 9a D - 93164 Laaber Tlf.: ++49 / +9498 / 905 188 Mobil: 0172 / 275 49 48 Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Je by Dowland
Richard Corran wrote: I am aware of versions of variations on Une Jeune Fillette as follows:- Schele Ms (Hamburg) attributed to Dowland but with similarities to but not the same as Batchelar, see below - I have to rely on other views of this because my photocopy has the attribution cut off and I can't work out folios or page numbers, 9 course, 7th - 9th course in F, E flat and C Besard - Thesauris Harmonicus, 7th Book, Allemandes, P 131v. - 7 course, 7th course in F Vallet - Secretum Musarum 1, Fol F3, p 43. 9 course, 7th - 9th course in F, E flat and C den Hove 1612 (Delitiae Musicae) attributed to Jaob Polak (Iacques Pollonis) but with an added variation by den Hove himself, Fol 55v, 7 course, 7th in F Lord Herbert of Cherbury and Pickering both have Batchelar's version, not quite identical (are they ever?) but undoubtedly the same version with only minor variants apart from variations 5 and 6 in Herbert which are absent from Pickering I am also aware of a courante in Piccinini 1623 book and OI think a version for Chitarrone. There are doubtless many others, perahps under the name of La Monica or even, I understand a Bach Chorale. Does anyone know of any others? Erm you have missed a few (from an electronically generated inventory for Newsidler's 1574 book): K1v/3-K2r/1 36. 28. Ich gieng ein mal spacieren. MN 31a Ich gieng einmal spazieren, Melchior Neusidler cf. DB 41: La Jeune Fillette, Daniel Bacheler Herbert 23v-25r La ieune fillette mr Daniel., for lute Pickering 30v-31r/1 [No title], for lute cf. CLM 93: Une jeune filette, John Dowland Montbuysson 11v-12r Ballet., for lute Schele 25-28/1 Del Excellentissimo Musico Jano D´ ulando Andegaui, Anno 1614. 22 J´ un., for lute cf. The Queens Almain CS B4v THe oulde Almaine., for cittern Dallis 47/3 the queenes almayne, for lute Dallis 213/1 The kinge of Africa, for lute Dallis 223/3 quenes almande, for bandora Dd.4.23 32v/1 The queenes Allmaine, for cittern Welde 6v/2 Away I have forsworne her Company, for lute cf. Une jeune fillette 266 109r Ich ging ein mal spatzsieren ein Wege, for lute 266 109v Hupff Auff, for lute 29485 4r almande de la nonette, for keyboard 40032 366/2-367/1 Una fillette Chanc¸on franc¸ois, for lute cf. DB 41: La Jeune Fillette, Daniel Bacheler Herbert 23v-25r La ieune fillette mr Daniel., for lute Pickering 30v-31r/1 [No title], for lute cf. CLM 93: Une jeune filette, John Dowland Montbuysson 11v-12r Ballet., for lute Schele 25-28/1 Del Excellentissimo Musico Jano D´ ulando Andegaui, Anno 1614. 22 J´ un., for lute cf. The Queens Almain CS B4v THe oulde Almaine., for cittern Dallis 47/3 the queenes almayne, for lute Dallis 213/1 The kinge of Africa, for lute Dallis 223/3 quenes almande, for bandora Dd.4.23 32v/1 The queenes Allmaine, for cittern Welde 6v/2 Away I have forsworne her Company, for lute cf. Une jeune fillette 266 109r Ich ging ein mal spatzsieren ein Wege, for lute 266 109v Hupff Auff, for lute 29485 4r almande de la nonette, for keyboard 40032 366/2-367/1 Una fillette Chanc¸on franc¸ois, for lute 40032 382-385 La Monacha ballo francese una fillette chanc¸on franc¸o¨ ys, for lute 40098 No. 108a 108. Tantz. Von Gott wil ich nicht laßen., for keyboard 40098 No. 108b Der Sprungkh drauff., for keyboard 40143 25r Vne jeune fillette 14. Novemb, for lute 40143 35r 16 Martij. 1601 / Courr. sur la voix de La jeune fitte, for lute 40143 35v-37v/1 Vne Jeune fillette, for lute 40153 20r/2 La Monicha, for lute 40591 2r [No title], for lute Amsterdam 74v/1 Ein ander G¨ utter tantz Matth. Wais: XC., for lute Amsterdam 74v/2 Saltarello., for lute Bautzen 18/2 Vne Jeune fillette, for lute Berkeley 757 8v-9v ???, for lute Berkeley 760 25v ???, for lute Besard 1603 73r MA belle si ton ame, for lute and voice Besard 1603 131v-132r Alemande Vne Ieune fillette., for lute Besard 1617 D1v-D2r Vne Jeune fillette, for lute trio Besard 1617 D2v-D3r 2 pars precedentis mod, for lute trio Besard 1617 D3v-D4r 3 pars superioris mod:, for lute trio Bologna 746/a 746/a ???, for lute Bruxelles 16.662 27v ???, for lute Caroso 1581 135r/1 Intauolatura di Liuto del Balletto Alta Morona., for lute Caroso 1581 135r/2 La sua Sciolta, for lute Cavalcanti 100v ???, for lute Chilesotti 225 Ich gieng ein mage Bayieren, for lute Dc.5.125 25r ://:, for lute Delitiae 55v-56v/1 Vne Ieune Fillette. / Mr Iacques Pollonis., for lute Delitiae 56v/2-57r Ultima Parte. / Joachimus vanden Hove., for lute Gorzanis 156?[3] K3v/2 Balo Todesco, for lute Gorzanis 156?[3] K4r La sua gagliarda, for lute Gorzanis 15791 K3v/2 Balo Todesco, for lute Gorzanis 15791 K4r La sua gagliarda, for lute Hainhofer 4, 23v Deutscher dantz., for lute II.6.15 528 Von Gott wil ich nicht laßen, for lute II.6.15 540 Von Gott will ich nicht lassen, for lute Jacobides No. 7 Ich ging einmal spatziren, for lute Jobin 15732 F2r/2-F2v/1 Teutscher Dantz., for lute Jobin 15732 F2v/2-F3r/1 Nach dantz., for lute Kargel 15784 M1r/1 Almande Ich
Re: Je by Dowland
Thank you Richard and Rainer. Wow, many versions. Now this is getting interesting. I'd still like to determin which one I have.Let me describe this a bit more and see if you know which version it is. I'm traveling now in the States and don't have all my music to compare it to, but it is in modern typesetting and the ciphers look similar to the Poulton Dowland. There are 106 measures. It's for 7 course. From around m. 58-65 there are runs in the bass, then again bass runs from m.75-88. Looking at this carefully, I may be mistaken about there having been a score with it originally. This is a photocopy. There are tape marks going down the sides on the first page but not the second. However, Robert (I'm sure I must have gotten this from Robert Clancy, my old roomate in Basil) was expert at cutting stuff up and making performance editions, so I don't know. There are measure numbers in boxes but they are so faint I can't make them out. Which one of the many versions brought to light fits the bill? TIA
