Re: Raimondi manuscript
On Tuesday 20 July 2004 00:33, Bernhard Hofstoetter wrote: > Dear all, > Is anybody on this list knowledgeable about the > Raimondi or Raimondo mansucript of the Municipal > Library of Como? As I understand it mostly contains > music for the 10-course lute, or am I wrong on this > point? Does anybody know of a modern edition for the > lute - or even of a web source? > Thanks, > Bernhard > > I think the book is still available from Antiqua editions in Italy (there is a website but I don't know the webaddress right now). The music is mostly for 8 course lute. In my opinion large parts are not very interesting. Taco
Re: Caution: copyright stuff
Sorry about that Wayne, my aged mind wanders now and then. I do have the original K and K text for "C" and I mixed up Dartmouth BASIC with that. In the mid 1960's the movement toward "personal computing" was underway, and it was oriented toward doing stock market research. There was also a movement by the computer manufacturers for time sharing. IBM, in combination with MIT, was working on Project MAC (Multiple Access Computer). Pete Gall, an ex-IBMer, was at White, Weld working on on FFL (First Financial Language). As each of these went beyond their predicted fruition (Von Neumann said some years earlier " any computer system, no matter the stage of development, is always one year from implementation") the quiet gnomes at Dartmouth (and I thought it was the Tuck School of business) crept in. In concert with GE they developed a time sharing system that worked, and to go with it a language that was designed from the inside out. BASIC came with Dartmouth/GE time sharing. I had to dial Hanover NH when I first got on it. And the concept was brought to my empoyer of the time, Chase Manhattan, by Tuck grads. The second part of this is FFL, which was being implemented on a DR V9. The Dartmouth lads beat them to the punch also. They called their search language LAFF (from Language for Finacial Fact finders). And the sound of the acronym was intended, they got the laugh on Pete Gall. I confess that I sometimes have a failure of memory, and that I usually speak from that memory. But I was there, and knew the people involved, and watched the events unfold. If there are any errors in the substance of this message I'll have to go to my bookshelf and notes, but they won't be substantive. I remember the original "brown book" of 47 pages for the IBM 1401 which made computers available to small business (prior to that it was the big buggers like the 7070). And the small manual on Dartmouth BASIC for the original commercial time sharing. And I can tell you the history of ASCII versus BCD (IBM), and then EBCDIC. The first operating system was DOS (not the one for the Gates/IBM PC). The IBM 360 was announced on April 7th 1964, and I was one of the announcers who had pre-knowledge of the system characteristics. (And there is an irony, it was called 360 as there would never be a need for another computer - the internal logic was in "firmware", which we now call ROM). Enough, Best, Jon - Original Message - From: "Wayne Cripps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:42 AM Subject: Re: Caution: copyright stuff > > From: "Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > I speak as one who was involved (from 1961). Mr. Gates parlayed a minor > > implementation of the BASIC programming language ( "invented" by students at > > the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth in 1965, and used as the > > programming language for the early "time sharing" networks where one could > > log in on a teletype and use a main frame) > > Professors Kurtz and Kemeney were in the Math Department at Dartment back in > 1964. The Amos Truck School (Learn to Drive the Big Rigs!) was not > involved, except for maybe some photo ops! > > C'mon Jon, get your facts straight! > > Wayne > > > > >
Re: Raimondi manuscript
> Is anybody on this list knowledgeable about the > Raimondi or Raimondo mansucript of the Municipal > Library of Como? As I understand it mostly contains > music for the 10-course lute, or am I wrong on this > point? Does anybody know of a modern edition for the > lute - or even of a web source? A facsimile edition exists, but I don't think it is still available: Pietro Paolo Raimondo, Libro de sonate diverse 1601, Ed.: Oscar Tajetti, Como 1980 (Antiquae Musicae Italicae Studiosi) Good luck, Peter Kiraly- Peter Király Glockenstr. 34 D-67655 Kaiserslautern T/Fax. (00)49 631 69866 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mike Godfrey - Found someone local to fix my lute ALSO, HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION
>Hydrate with a humidifier. A lot of Guitar shops carry little humidity >devises for putting in the guitar case I assume that would work with the >Lute as well. I am also assuming that since I bought my humidifier there >have been many and more sophisticated devices available. How does one compromise? My lutes are in my studio which is filled with recording equipment and computer paraphernalia. The one likes it humid the other likes it dry and in Japan we get the extremes. It's so humid right now in Japan you would think stuff would grow in the air. -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
Re: Mike Godfrey - Found someone local to fix my lute ALSO, HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION
>How does one "hydrate" the wood without problems? Keep one of those moisture tubes in the case. I forget what they are called, Moist-it or something. You could improvise just as well: a sponge in a container with air holes would do it. cheers, -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
Re: Mike Godfrey - fixing my 10-course lute
>I realize that shipping this thing to Larry will cost a bit of money, plus >the repair being over $300...I should just buy a new lute. The first question is: Is the sound greatly affected by the crack? My soundboard cracked right down the middle when I walked from one room to another one winter. It is an enormous expense to remove the soundboard. Since the sound wasn't noticeably affected, I choose to just leave it. >There is buckling immediately beneath the bridge from >when it was pulling away. How bad is it? Has the action changed? A bit of 'scoop' is a desirable thing in my opinion and I made sure one was built into my lute when I ordered it. cheers, -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
Re: Sorry, help me....what to buy????
I am not clear on the problem here-you want to get rid of a good lute because it has a small crack in the sound board? If this is so the lute is not the instrument for you. Sterling Price __ Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/
cheap hydration
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, Vance Wood wrote: > Hydrate with a humidifier. A lot of Guitar shops carry little humidity > devises for putting in the guitar case I assume that would work with the > Lute as well. I am also assuming that since I bought my humidifier there > have been many and more sophisticated devices available. > > Vance Wood. I use an old pill box with holes and a sponge inside. True, I did not do any systematic research to determine the optimal density of holes, and their shape and diameter, while the stuff you buy in guitar shops undoubtedly has been scientifically designed and undergone elaborate double-blind testing. Peter. -- the next auto-quote is: Personal religious convictions have no place in political campaigns or in dictating public policy. (Geraldine Ferraro) /\/\ Peter Nightingale Telephone (401) 874-5882 Department of Physics, East Hall Fax (401) 874-2380 University of Rhode Island Kingston, RI 02881
Re: Raimondi manuscript
The person to ask about this is Ugo Nastrucci. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://polyhymnion.org/swv > Dear all, > Is anybody on this list knowledgeable about the > Raimondi or Raimondo mansucript of the Municipal > Library of Como? As I understand it mostly contains > music for the 10-course lute, or am I wrong on this > point? Does anybody know of a modern edition for the > lute - or even of a web source? > Thanks, > Bernhard > > > > > > > ___ > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 100MB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: > http://mail.yahoo.de > >
Raimondi manuscript
Dear all, Is anybody on this list knowledgeable about the Raimondi or Raimondo mansucript of the Municipal Library of Como? As I understand it mostly contains music for the 10-course lute, or am I wrong on this point? Does anybody know of a modern edition for the lute - or even of a web source? Thanks, Bernhard ___ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 100MB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de
Re: Thibault MS
Dear Alain, Many thanks for that information - Its good to know that someone is working on that manuscript. I hope his work gets published! Thanks too for the link to your setting of the "Pavana Regia" - with pieces from this Ms it's always useful to compare notes between different realisations. An interesting example of that is Wayne's reading of the other Pavana which has several rhythmic differences to Chris Wilson's recorded version (as a duet on "Early Venetian Lute Music" - Naxos). Both, of course, are entirely valid readings of the original tablature. Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: "Alain Veylit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Denys Stephens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lute net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 8:52 PM Subject: Re: Thibault MS > Hector Sequera at the University of North Texas is writing his thesis on > this MS and working on transcriptions and concordances. > See links below for my own transcription of one of the pieces - (All > mistakes mine, where was I roaming...) > http://cbsr26.ucr.edu/wlkfiles/Publications/Vmd27/PavanaRegia.mid > http://cbsr26.ucr.edu/wlkfiles/Publications/Vmd27/PavanaRegia_fr.pdf > http://cbsr26.ucr.edu/wlkfiles/Publications/Vmd27/PavanaRegia_it.pdf > Alain > > > At 11:30 AM 7/19/04, Denys Stephens wrote: > >Dear Tadeusz, > >I don't know of any transcriptions from the Pesaro ms > >that are downloadable from the net. There is a complete > >modern edition of the manuscript edited by Vladimir Ivanoff > >(Edition der Handschrift Pesaro, Biblioteca Oliveriana, Ms. 1144, > >Munchner Editionen zur Musikgeschichte 7, Tutzing, 1988). > > > >There are a few pieces from the Thibault Ms at Wayne's site at: > >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi?Vmd27 > >and there are further pieces plus an excellent article on the manuscript > >by Lewis Jones in the Lute Society's "The Lute" 1982 volume XXII part 2. > >Several people have expressed an intention to produce a complete > >edition of the manuscript but none, to my knowledge, has yet done so. > >Both the Pesaro and Thibault manuscripts present difficulties in > >interpretation, the latter being almost completely without rhythm signs > >and bar lines, so transcribing the pieces involves a lot more work than is > >usual > >with later sources. There is an excellent facsimile of the manuscript by > >Minkoff, > >but as far as I am aware, it's out of print. Quite a number of pieces in the > >manuscript may have originally been composed for plectrum playing, > >which makes it particularly interesting as it seems to belong to a time when > >plectrum and fingerstyle playing were both in use. > > > >Best wishes, > > > >Denys > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Tadeusz Czechak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 6:30 PM > >Subject: pesaro etc > > > > > > > Hello all > > > > > > Anyone knows if it's possible to find somewhere in the web pieces from = > > > Pesaro and Thibaut mss ? I already got a supplement to Lute News , but = > > > still looking for more > > > > > > greetings -Tadeusz Czechak > > > -- > > > > >
Re: Mike Godfrey - Found someone local to fix my lute ALSO, HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION
Hydrate with a humidifier. A lot of Guitar shops carry little humidity devises for putting in the guitar case I assume that would work with the Lute as well. I am also assuming that since I bought my humidifier there have been many and more sophisticated devices available. Vance Wood. - Original Message - From: "Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: Mike Godfrey - Found someone local to fix my lute ALSO, HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION > I called Rich Worthington here in Saint Louis. He has fixed lutes in the > past. In fact, my old lute teacher got his lute repaired by this man, so I > should feel confident in driving mine over today. > > That's what I'm doing at 6 this evening! > > He will most likely do a glue fix on the small fracture that runs WITH the > wood grain. Once the lute is tuned, it becomes visible. > > It really shouldn't effect the sound. I've taken very good care of the > instrument over the years. > > My big question now is...How does one "feed" the wood so it's not so dried > out and stuff? I am pretty sure Lemon Pledge is out of the question. How > does one "hydrate" the wood without problems? > > Thank you so much! > > Michael > >
Re: Sorry, help me....what to buy????
I agree with Tim: It seems to me you have a more than decent Lute now, how you can think of trashing it, so to speak, in favor of a Pakistani rip-off POS is beyond me. Cracks in the sound board were a common occurrence and in this case will probably not harm the sound or integrity of the instrument unless it gets larger. The only real solution to this issue considering your state of mind would be to have a new sound board made and replace it. This will not be a cheap repair, but it will be cheaper than a new Lute. Vance Wood. - Original Message - From: "timothy motz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 7:49 AM Subject: RE: Sorry, help mewhat to buy > >If the soundboard is split but it's not affecting the sound, you may > not need to have it fixed. I have been told that Christopher Wilson > has a lute with a split soundboard that he hasn't had repaired > because he doesn't want to change the sound. > > Tim Motz > > > > > > Original Message > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: Sorry, help mewhat to buy > >Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:53:17 -0500 > > > >>Sorry, I'm sending this again, without all the =20 symbolsI > >fixed that > >>in my "options" > >> > >>Hi, I have an OLD, OLD 10 course built by Larry Brown back in like > >1981. > >>The face is split (somewhat). > >> > >>I will get it fixed by Larry, eventually. I will have to send it > >off to > >>him. > >> > >>I got it second hand for about $1100. > >> > >>This was my first lute and up until the time of the fracture, I > >practiced a > >>bit. > >> > >>Now I want a new one. I was looking at the MID-EAST Lutes for $600. > > I know > >>that they had a horrible reputation for being clunky, heavy and > >unplayable, > >>but I assume that is from players with $8000 lutes? > >> > >>I can't afford a lute that expensive...ever. I CAN afford the > >Mid-East > >>Lute. > >> > >>Does anyone have a newer built version, and what is your take on the > >sound? > >>A couple years ago when I first saw them, people said it was like > >>weightlifting. These lutes were heavy and they really didn't play > >well. I > >>am sure design changes have happened. > >> > >>If you've recently bought one and are having a fine time with it, > >let me > >>know. If you haven't bought one, and only are going by what others > >may have > >>said, please don't reply. > >> > >>I am looking for something to just practice on...that's all. I'm > >not > >>Hopkinson Smith. Don't plan on sounding like Hopkinson Smith. > >Cool? > >> > >>Also, I live in Saint Louis, Missouri. There was one lute teacher > >ages ago. > >>Don't know where he went. Haven't seen him or his classical guitar > >shop. > >>Is there actually a lute teacher here in Saint Louis? > >> > >>Thanks, > >> > >>Michael > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >
Re: Thibault MS
Hector Sequera at the University of North Texas is writing his thesis on this MS and working on transcriptions and concordances. See links below for my own transcription of one of the pieces - (All mistakes mine, where was I roaming...) http://cbsr26.ucr.edu/wlkfiles/Publications/Vmd27/PavanaRegia.mid http://cbsr26.ucr.edu/wlkfiles/Publications/Vmd27/PavanaRegia_fr.pdf http://cbsr26.ucr.edu/wlkfiles/Publications/Vmd27/PavanaRegia_it.pdf Alain At 11:30 AM 7/19/04, Denys Stephens wrote: >Dear Tadeusz, >I don't know of any transcriptions from the Pesaro ms >that are downloadable from the net. There is a complete >modern edition of the manuscript edited by Vladimir Ivanoff >(Edition der Handschrift Pesaro, Biblioteca Oliveriana, Ms. 1144, >Munchner Editionen zur Musikgeschichte 7, Tutzing, 1988). > >There are a few pieces from the Thibault Ms at Wayne's site at: >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi?Vmd27 >and there are further pieces plus an excellent article on the manuscript >by Lewis Jones in the Lute Society's "The Lute" 1982 volume XXII part 2. >Several people have expressed an intention to produce a complete >edition of the manuscript but none, to my knowledge, has yet done so. >Both the Pesaro and Thibault manuscripts present difficulties in >interpretation, the latter being almost completely without rhythm signs >and bar lines, so transcribing the pieces involves a lot more work than is >usual >with later sources. There is an excellent facsimile of the manuscript by >Minkoff, >but as far as I am aware, it's out of print. Quite a number of pieces in the >manuscript may have originally been composed for plectrum playing, >which makes it particularly interesting as it seems to belong to a time when >plectrum and fingerstyle playing were both in use. > >Best wishes, > >Denys > > > > > > >- Original Message - >From: "Tadeusz Czechak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 6:30 PM >Subject: pesaro etc > > > > Hello all > > > > Anyone knows if it's possible to find somewhere in the web pieces from = > > Pesaro and Thibaut mss ? I already got a supplement to Lute News , but = > > still looking for more > > > > greetings -Tadeusz Czechak > > -- > >
RE: Mike Godfrey - Found someone local to fix my lute ALSO, HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION
>Mike, I would say, to start with, keep it in its case unless you are playing it. Keep it away from heat sources, which would include not leaving it in a window or a hot car in the summer. The splitting is caused by the wood of the soundboard shrinking because it's too dry. Dryness is mainly a problem in the winter when the heat is on. If you control the heat in your home (i.e. it's not an apartment with the heat controlled by the landlord), don't set the thermostat above 70 degrees Farenheit. Humidity is relative to temperature. If you lower the temperature, the relative humidity goes up. A lot of Americans like the temperature in their homes in the winter to be 74 degrees Farenheit or above. It's hard to keep the humidity up when it's that warm. I have seen humidifiers for guitars that are inserted in the sound hole, but that wouldn't work with a lute. I have heard of people putting damp sponges inside bags in their lute cases to keep the instrument from drying out, but if you do that you would want a hygrometer in the case as well. It would probably be safer to keep a humidifier going in the room, with a hygrometer in the case with the instrument. I've seen paper strip hygrometers used in museums that change color at different relative humidities. They would fit in a case and would be accurate enough to let you know that things were getting too dry. The British Lute Society sells a booklet on the care of lutes written by David Van Edwards. It's well worth the small price they charge for it. Plus they sell books of music for different levels of players. You can get the prices from their web site and order the books by fax. Tim > > > Original Message >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: Mike Godfrey - Found someone local to fix my lute ALSO, >HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION >Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:15:31 -0500 > >>I called Rich Worthington here in Saint Louis. He has fixed lutes >in the >>past. In fact, my old lute teacher got his lute repaired by this >man, so I >>should feel confident in driving mine over today. >> >>That's what I'm doing at 6 this evening! >> >>He will most likely do a glue fix on the small fracture that runs >WITH the >>wood grain. Once the lute is tuned, it becomes visible. >> >>It really shouldn't effect the sound. I've taken very good care of >the >>instrument over the years. >> >>My big question now is...How does one "feed" the wood so it's not so >dried >>out and stuff? I am pretty sure Lemon Pledge is out of the >question. How >>does one "hydrate" the wood without problems? >> >>Thank you so much! >> >>Michael >> >> >>
Re: .ft2 files? How do they work?
The files are in fronimo format. Look at the Fronimo link on the page you provided and it has all the info. The demo version lets you open the files and print but not save. Alas, it does not work on the Mac. >http://members.aol.com/MWhee40252/Index.html
.ft2 files? How do they work?
Guys, when I was at "a variety of lute lessons" and clicked LUTE LESSONS: http://members.aol.com/MWhee40252/Index.html I found the files wanted to download but they were ".ft2" extensions, and nothing works on my PC to play these. Where do I download the player to see what this is about? Thank you, Mike
Re: pesaro etc
Dear Tadeusz, I don't know of any transcriptions from the Pesaro ms that are downloadable from the net. There is a complete modern edition of the manuscript edited by Vladimir Ivanoff (Edition der Handschrift Pesaro, Biblioteca Oliveriana, Ms. 1144, Munchner Editionen zur Musikgeschichte 7, Tutzing, 1988). There are a few pieces from the Thibault Ms at Wayne's site at: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi?Vmd27 and there are further pieces plus an excellent article on the manuscript by Lewis Jones in the Lute Society's "The Lute" 1982 volume XXII part 2. Several people have expressed an intention to produce a complete edition of the manuscript but none, to my knowledge, has yet done so. Both the Pesaro and Thibault manuscripts present difficulties in interpretation, the latter being almost completely without rhythm signs and bar lines, so transcribing the pieces involves a lot more work than is usual with later sources. There is an excellent facsimile of the manuscript by Minkoff, but as far as I am aware, it's out of print. Quite a number of pieces in the manuscript may have originally been composed for plectrum playing, which makes it particularly interesting as it seems to belong to a time when plectrum and fingerstyle playing were both in use. Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: "Tadeusz Czechak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 6:30 PM Subject: pesaro etc > Hello all > > Anyone knows if it's possible to find somewhere in the web pieces from = > Pesaro and Thibaut mss ? I already got a supplement to Lute News , but = > still looking for more > > greetings -Tadeusz Czechak > -- >
Mike Godfrey - Found someone local to fix my lute ALSO, HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION
I called Rich Worthington here in Saint Louis. He has fixed lutes in the past. In fact, my old lute teacher got his lute repaired by this man, so I should feel confident in driving mine over today. That's what I'm doing at 6 this evening! He will most likely do a glue fix on the small fracture that runs WITH the wood grain. Once the lute is tuned, it becomes visible. It really shouldn't effect the sound. I've taken very good care of the instrument over the years. My big question now is...How does one "feed" the wood so it's not so dried out and stuff? I am pretty sure Lemon Pledge is out of the question. How does one "hydrate" the wood without problems? Thank you so much! Michael
RE: Sorry, help me....what to buy????
This reflects my experience with the Pakistani lutes - they are potentially playable with substantial reworking, and thus might make sense for an amateur luthier but should be avoided by the woodworking-challenged. Being an amatuer luthier, I recently converted a similar dirt-cheap oud that is probably of the same Pakistani origin ($100 in a Pier-One type import shop that was going out of business) into a successful 5-course mando-cello. I re-glued the loose peg head, re-angled the neck with a router, put on gut frets, and reduced the courses from 6 to 5 with a new nut. I can still play it like an oud, or use it for Bach cello suites. Abandoning one of the sets of bridge holes fixed the string alignment problem - now the 5 courses all go over the neck. But this was lucky - the bridge holes just happened to be misplaced that way. There is no guarantee that converting an 8 course Pakistani lute into a 7 course would fix string spacing problems that these instruments typically have. Nuts are easy to replace - bridges are not. Ben Cohen Denver, CO -Original Message- From: Herbert Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 11:38 AM To: Michael Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sorry, help mewhat to buy I bought one of the Pakistan lutes. They are terrible. As they arrive, they are not usable as a practical instrument. The nut was _way_ high. The edges of the fingerboard were too sharp, causing the frets to "float" off the fingerboard. The pegs did not hold well. There is too little space between the 1st and 2nd courses. There were other problems. I spent many hours of work, many trips to the hardware store, several internet purchases, and many solicitations for advice, before it was playable. I had a list of everything I had to do to it -- it is playable now, though. If you are limited in funds, and would enjoy an introduction to do-it-yourself luthery, it might be OK. But don't count on pulling something out of the case with the single problem of mediocre sound. But I don't want to be overly harsh. My lute teacher expressed mild interest in buying it as an oud. PRIVATE AND CONFIDENTIAL This electronic message transmission and any files transmitted with it, are a communication from the law firm of Shughart Thomson & Kilroy, P.C. This message contains information protected by the attorney/client privilege and is confidential or otherwise the exclusive property of the intended recipient or Shughart Thomson & Kilroy. This information is solely for the use of the individual or entity that is the intended recipient. If you are not the designated recipient, or the person responsible for delivering the communication to its intended recipient, please be aware that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please notify by telephone (816-395-0695), collect or by electronic mail ([EMAIL PROTECTED] ) and promptly destroy the original transmission. Thank you for your assistance. --
Re: Sorry, help me....what to buy????
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004, Howard Posner wrote: > Even if it costs $600 to fix the lute you have, which I doubt, fixing it > is a better investment. Unless everything I hear about these Pakistani Quite right. There's no way the Pakistan lute will compare with a Larry Brown lute, even after extensive owner modification.
pesaro etc
Hello all Anyone knows if it's possible to find somewhere in the web pieces from = Pesaro and Thibaut mss ? I already got a supplement to Lute News , but = still looking for more greetings -Tadeusz Czechak --
Re: Sorry, help me....what to buy????
I bought one of the Pakistan lutes. They are terrible. As they arrive, they are not usable as a practical instrument. The nut was _way_ high. The edges of the fingerboard were too sharp, causing the frets to "float" off the fingerboard. The pegs did not hold well. There is too little space between the 1st and 2nd courses. There were other problems. I spent many hours of work, many trips to the hardware store, several internet purchases, and many solicitations for advice, before it was playable. I had a list of everything I had to do to it -- it is playable now, though. If you are limited in funds, and would enjoy an introduction to do-it-yourself luthery, it might be OK. But don't count on pulling something out of the case with the single problem of mediocre sound. But I don't want to be overly harsh. My lute teacher expressed mild interest in buying it as an oud.
RE: Sorry, help me....what to buy????
>If the soundboard is split but it's not affecting the sound, you may not need to have it fixed. I have been told that Christopher Wilson has a lute with a split soundboard that he hasn't had repaired because he doesn't want to change the sound. Tim Motz > > > Original Message >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: Sorry, help mewhat to buy >Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:53:17 -0500 > >>Sorry, I'm sending this again, without all the =20 symbolsI >fixed that >>in my "options" >> >>Hi, I have an OLD, OLD 10 course built by Larry Brown back in like >1981. >>The face is split (somewhat). >> >>I will get it fixed by Larry, eventually. I will have to send it >off to >>him. >> >>I got it second hand for about $1100. >> >>This was my first lute and up until the time of the fracture, I >practiced a >>bit. >> >>Now I want a new one. I was looking at the MID-EAST Lutes for $600. > I know >>that they had a horrible reputation for being clunky, heavy and >unplayable, >>but I assume that is from players with $8000 lutes? >> >>I can't afford a lute that expensive...ever. I CAN afford the >Mid-East >>Lute. >> >>Does anyone have a newer built version, and what is your take on the >sound? >>A couple years ago when I first saw them, people said it was like >>weightlifting. These lutes were heavy and they really didn't play >well. I >>am sure design changes have happened. >> >>If you've recently bought one and are having a fine time with it, >let me >>know. If you haven't bought one, and only are going by what others >may have >>said, please don't reply. >> >>I am looking for something to just practice on...that's all. I'm >not >>Hopkinson Smith. Don't plan on sounding like Hopkinson Smith. >Cool? >> >>Also, I live in Saint Louis, Missouri. There was one lute teacher >ages ago. >>Don't know where he went. Haven't seen him or his classical guitar >shop. >>Is there actually a lute teacher here in Saint Louis? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Michael >> >> >> >>
Re: Caution: copyright stuff
> From: "Jon Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I speak as one who was involved (from 1961). Mr. Gates parlayed a minor > implementation of the BASIC programming language ( "invented" by students at > the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth in 1965, and used as the > programming language for the early "time sharing" networks where one could > log in on a teletype and use a main frame) Professors Kurtz and Kemeney were in the Math Department at Dartment back in 1964. The Amos Truck School (Learn to Drive the Big Rigs!) was not involved, except for maybe some photo ops! C'mon Jon, get your facts straight! Wayne
Re: help me - what to buy???
"David Cassetti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > I have posted a sound sample (amateur, cheap mikes) and picture of this > lute. > > http://www.users.qwest.net/~leocassetti/lute.jpg > > (You can actually see the copper wire to the left of the nut). nice picture, thank you (I shall add it to my collection). Nice sockets you wore :) -- Best, Mathias Mathias Roesel, Grosze Annenstrasze 5, 28199 Bremen, Deutschland/ Germany, T/F +49 - 421 - 165 49 97, Fax +49 1805 060 334 480 67, E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Gesucht: Das Beste für die Stadt" Ökumenischer Stadtkirchentag vom 19. bis 26. September 2004 in Bremen ! http://www.stadtkirchentag-bremen.de
Re: help me - what to buy???
dear michael - here are some oud references you might like to look at: http://www.eraydinsazevi.com.tr/ http://stores.ebay.com/Nile-Shop http://www.mikeouds.com/ http://www.oudcafe.com/ the first two sell inexpensive ouds - with positive feedback - and the last two are good for asking questions and gossip. i've tried tying nylon frets on my oud but it wasn't a great success - maybe because i'd grown use to them not being there. some other things to consider when playing oud as lute are the narrow neck (my egyptian made oud is 4 cm. wide at the nut), the use of plectrum (wonderful - preferred even - but different) and the haughty disdain one experiences from time to time from those with a less than ecumenical appreciation for others in the lute family. an unavoidable element of musical machismo creeps in when discussing the price of instruments; it's just something that has to be put up with. if i was you, however, i'd stick with what i've got and get it fixed. kind regards - bill
Mike Godfrey - fixing my 10-course lute
Monday, July 19 - 2:49 AM Thank you, everyone, for the help here! I do have a photo of the split (it's in the facing of the guitar / the soundboard? ). As a complete obsessive-compulsive, anything out of the ordinary is overemphasized, and bothers me to no end, so I fixate. I was adding water to my concrete-like humidifier, and as I was replacing it to the case, it flew from my hands and landed on the lute. Naturally, I screamed. I then saw the hairline fracture. I loosened the strings as the tension seemed to exaggerate the issue. When I took it from its case tonight, I honestly couldn't find the fracture until I held it to the light a certain way. It's there, and it will only get worse if I do nothing to repair. Larry Brown spoke with me a while back stating that he'd just reinforce the back of it with some glue and a small piece of wood. I said I could just glue it myself, but feared it would affect the sound of the instrument. Being an obsessive-compulsive(never diagnosed ;), I've adopted numerous positions of playing my lute, and the one I find that creates the roundest sound is when the bowl isn't touching me. It's hard to play it in a position of "non-rest" against the abdomen, but you should HEAR how it sounds! It's exciting. Play it like you normally would in your lap, but back away from the bowl and the instrument will sing to itself. ANYWAY, how that ties in with the glue...ANYTHING that would effect the body of the instrument (glue placed where it wasn't meant) would be a noticable sound deterioration (to me). I realize that shipping this thing to Larry will cost a bit of money, plus the repair being over $300...I should just buy a new lute. I dunno. Also, because my 10-course is a used "student" lute, the bridge pulled away from the soundboard eons ago, before I owned it, and was re-glued before it destroyed the wood. There is buckling immediately beneath the bridge from when it was pulling away. Jeff Noonan, the guy who sold it to me a few years back, said it wasn't a problem. It isn't. He also taught me a few times, but I've fallen out of contact with this man and his shop. I don't know even if he runs his classic guitar shop here in Saint Louis any more. Mine is the "frei" style? I've seen it on Daniel Larson's site. Mine looks exactly like a "frei" lute. Nothing fancy, but it does sound neat. I spoke with the people at the store here called MUSIC FOLK, and they directed me to a guitar and violin maker in Saint Louis. I will try that man again on Monday. Hopefully, he can help me out, and I may not have to do the long distance shipment to Larry. He'll probably suggest glue and tell me to get lost. So, that's my dilemma. Oh, I'm halfway through "Tess of the D'Ubervilles," by Hardy. No, I'm not in highschool. I'm actually reading it for pleasure now. It totally beats the hell out of "Clarissa: Or the History of a Young Lady," by Samuel Richardson. That's like "beating-by-pontification". Michael Godfrey
