[LUTE] Re: Ownership
Craig, Indeed. Um, you don't own any rocking chairs do you? My cat solved the rocking chair problem, she springs to the seat and then to the top, and rides the waves. But then she may be planning ahead about the tails of any potential feline interlopers. Best, Jon To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Ownership
Dear Ed, I have a viol-playing friend who once had many cats. He called each of them by the name of a 16th-century English composer - Tallis, Cornish, etc. He avoided the name Byrd, because he thought a cat called Byrd might confuse his children. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. - Original Message - From: Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Carl Donsbach [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 1:33 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ownership How about: Loaded, Gimped, Lyon, and Wound for cat names? ed To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Antique tools.
Larry Brown (on his website) says that many of his tools are antique, and superior to their modern counterparts. The man's woodworking expertise is obvious (and probably also not obvious). So I wonder how it is that Craftsman, Black Decker, and Stanley, with their engineers, experience, capital, and tremendous manufacturing resources, do not compete effectively in this area. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Antique tools.
Older tools were made of carbon steel which can be sharpened to a very fine edge, but is soft enough to dull with use. Modern tools use harder alloys which do not dull (at least not in your lifetime with reasonable use), but can't be easily resharpened, reshaped, and maybe can't be as sharp as carbon steel. For the typical home handyman, the modern tools are better because they require less care. But for a serious craftsman, the older tools may be better (depending on the temperament of the craftsman). The above explanation is, of course, over-simplified. Larry Brown (on his website) says that many of his tools are antique, and superior to their modern counterparts. The man's woodworking expertise is obvious (and probably also not obvious). So I wonder how it is that Craftsman, Black Decker, and Stanley, with their engineers, experience, capital, and tremendous manufacturing resources, do not compete effectively in this area. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- http://DoctorOakroot.com - Rough-edged songs on homemade GIT-tars.
[LUTE] Re: Antique tools.
Herbert wrote: Larry Brown (on his website) says that many of his tools are antique, and superior to their modern counterparts. The man's woodworking expertise is obvious (and probably also not obvious). So I wonder how it is that Craftsman, Black Decker, and Stanley, with their engineers, experience, capital, and tremendous manufacturing resources, do not compete effectively in this area. Dr. Oakroot made a good point regarding carbon steel vs. the more modern alloys. Stainless seems to be the metal of choice for a lot of things. I know this is very true in the world of kitchen knives. Both my fiance and I cook and between have enough tools to outfit a commercial kitchen. But despite both of us owning a variety of Henckle or Wusthof knives (both excellent quality German knives) her prized knife is a carbon steel Sabatier chef's knife. It's not pretty and shiney like the stainless ones, but boy does that thing cut. She even lets me use it if I promise to be real careful. ;) The other thing that Dr. Oakroot didn't mention is that the people today buying tools are not the craftsmen of old. Larry is one of those who actually fits into that category of craftsman while the rest of the tool users are going to simply want something to get the job done. I wonder how many people buy a set of Craftsman (to pick a brand at random) chisels from Sears and then replace them as soon as the edge breaks rather than resharpen them. The brands you mention make throwaway tools essentially. Hard metals that are made inexpensively and thus inexpensive to replace. They sell a lot of them and that's where the company makes its profit. For an impressive display of old tools you should visit the Museum of Art and Industry at the Smithsonian museums on the Mall in DC. There are displays of chisels and other tools made in the early part of the 20th century that show a company's entire line. Regards, Craig ___ $0 Web Hosting with up to 200MB web space, 1000 MB Transfer 10 Personalized POP and Web E-mail Accounts, and much more. Signup at www.doteasy.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Antique tools.
At 11:01 AM 9/22/2005, Herbert Ward wrote: Larry Brown (on his website) says that many of his tools are antique, and superior to their modern counterparts. The man's woodworking expertise is obvious (and probably also not obvious). So I wonder how it is that Craftsman, Black Decker, and Stanley, with their engineers, experience, capital, and tremendous manufacturing resources, do not compete effectively in this area. Or http://lie-nielsen.com/. Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Antique tools.
Probably because they make a lot more selling slick-looking but poorly made crap to consumers who don't know any better... Also, there isn't really a big enough market for the more specialized tools to make it worth their while. There are some very well made modern tools, just not by the old standbys. Lie-Nelson planes, for instance, are probably as good as any antique. Not cheap, though. - Original Message - From: Herbert Wardmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edumailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 8:01 AM Subject: [LUTE] Antique tools. Larry Brown (on his website) says that many of his tools are antique, and superior to their modern counterparts. The man's woodworking expertise is obvious (and probably also not obvious). So I wonder how it is that Craftsman, Black Decker, and Stanley, with their engineers, experience, capital, and tremendous manufacturing resources, do not compete effectively in this area. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.htmlhttp://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Antique tools.
Another thing is that a variety of useful tools are not commonly made
anymore. I like to watch Roy Underhill's show on PBS. He is always using
some antique doodad that nobody at Home Depot has heard of, and the modern
woodworker of the Norm Abrams school would have little use for.
I'm a neophyte at the antique tools thing, but get a kick out of the flea
markets. But explaining to the wife why I would want or need an older
rustier version of something new and electric that I already have is almost
as great a challenge as finding them.
-Carl
--On Thursday, September 22, 2005 8:34 AM -0700 Craig Allen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Herbert wrote:
Larry Brown (on his website) says that many of his tools are
antique, and superior to their modern counterparts.
The man's woodworking expertise is obvious (and probably
also not obvious).
So I wonder how it is that Craftsman, Black Decker, and Stanley,
with their engineers, experience, capital, and tremendous manufacturing
resources, do not compete effectively in this area.
Dr. Oakroot made a good point regarding carbon steel vs. the more modern
alloys. Stainless seems to be the metal of choice for a lot of things. I
know this is very true in the world of kitchen knives. Both my fiance and
I cook and between have enough tools to outfit a commercial kitchen. But
despite both of us owning a variety of Henckle or Wusthof knives (both
excellent quality German knives) her prized knife is a carbon steel
Sabatier chef's knife. It's not pretty and shiney like the stainless
ones, but boy does that thing cut. She even lets me use it if I promise
to be real careful. ;)
The other thing that Dr. Oakroot didn't mention is that the people today
buying tools are not the craftsmen of old. Larry is one of those who
actually fits into that category of craftsman while the rest of the tool
users are going to simply want something to get the job done. I wonder
how many people buy a set of Craftsman (to pick a brand at random)
chisels from Sears and then replace them as soon as the edge breaks
rather than resharpen them. The brands you mention make throwaway tools
essentially. Hard metals that are made inexpensively and thus inexpensive
to replace. They sell a lot of them and that's where the company makes
its profit.
For an impressive display of old tools you should visit the Museum of Art
and Industry at the Smithsonian museums on the Mall in DC. There are
displays of chisels and other tools made in the early part of the 20th
century that show a company's entire line.
Regards,
Craig
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