[LUTE] Re: Thanks to Wayne
Also my thanks to Wayne and Happy New Year to everybody! Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Songs Question
Dear David Unless you prefer facsimiles, Stainer and Bell continue to publish the various lute song books with tablature IN MOST CASES - do check for the odd exception - http://www.stainer.co.uk/acatalog/lutesongs.html Nick -Original Message- From: David Rastall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 December 2005 22:20 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Lute Songs Question Are the lute songs of Thomas Campion still available in print? What about commercial editions of other lute song composers besides the big D? David Rastall To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Thumb-in guitar
Hello Chris, I'm about 6 feet 2 inches and I always sit when I play, with my left foot (assuming a right-handed player) raised about 6 inches or more off the floor. The center of the body of the guitar is about in the center of my body. I use a suction cup/ strap tucked under my right leg. This way I can balance the instrument without supporting it with my arms. I let my arms hang down and then act as if I were picking the guitar up. My right arm has freedom, and this is important if you decide to use mostly arm on certain phrases for tonal variety. It is tempting to hunch over, but I have the neck of the guitar marked so that I know where I'm at if I need to glance for a position shift. If I need to work on something and really see my fingers, I sometimes use a mirror. Body position aside, my thumb is rather long - I am able to tuck it between my 3rd and 4th finger and see the whole nail (this is a good exercise, by the way) - and it was only necessary to pivot my wrist slightly. I do not bend my thumb pip joint toward the palm during the stroke, letting it relax to minimize tension. I always follow through with my fingers toward my shoulder. It is fun to experiment with different positions and I highly recommend persisting; you will be happy with the results. Best wishes, Jason - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jason Kortis [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:56 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Thumb-in guitar Jason, How do you deal with the height of the guitar? (I'm assuming from Leonard's original post that we're talking about a modern nylon string instrument.) I've tried thumb-in with guitar using a footstool but have found that, because of the angle of the instrument, it sits too low for me to use the lute technique to much advantage. I have to lean way over to the right and still hunch down. The other option: bring the guitar way up high; much higher than typical classical (or lute) position. Then, however, my left hand seems to be at a disadvantage. Part of my problem is finding a way to support the guitar for thumb-in... - With the figure-eight shape, supporting it at the waist means that part of the instrument itself is lower than your support's (in other words: your leg's) point of contact. This puts the rest of my body in some contorted positions to compensate. Thumb-in works great for the lute and, perhaps not surprisingly, the shape of that instrument puts the strings exactly where they need to be for the technique (Whew - is that a backwards way of looking at things or what?) How do you make it work? Chris --- Jason Kortis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Leonard, I play guitar both thumb out and in, and it works exceptionally well if you attack at the right angle. If you are using nails, you will have to shape them a little differently, but you have as much power and facility with practice. Good luck. Happy new year, Jason - Original Message - From: Leonard Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 6:08 PM Subject: [LUTE] Thumb-in guitar Does anyone out there play guitar with thumb-in technique? How does it work out with the higher tension strings? I've got a young person interested in playing stuff on a guitar, not interested in a particular style or technique; all I could responsibly show him is thumb-in, lute style. Thanks, and best regards in the New Year! Leonard Williams To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
[LUTE] A Dowland concordance
Dear Rainer, Well spotted. I vaguely remember noticing this, when I played through the pieces in the manuscript. It is difficult to know whether the scribe's eye slipped from one piece to another in his exemplar, or if his memory slipped from one piece to another. According to Joachim Lüdtke, the editor of the Tree Edition facsimile, the manuscript dates from about 1618-1622. That's a few years after Wilson's Wild and Mrs Winter's Jump were in circulation, and so I suppose there was time for the pieces to get mangled. I notice that the next piece in the manuscript, a setting of Dowland's Fortune, is wide of the mark, for example, losing the characteristic sharpened 4th over the subdominant, which adds so much pathos. For those who haven't yet acquired the facsimile, here is the Currant from pages 12-13: |\ |\ |\|\ |\ |\|\ |\ |\ | |\|\ |\ |\| |\ | | | |. |\ | | | _a___f__a_a___f__a___ ___|__|_c_d_|_c__a|_a___|__|_ ___|__|_d__d|_d_d_|_c___|__|_ ___|__|_|_|_c__c|__|_ ___|_a|_a_c_|_a___|_|_a|_ ___|__|_|_|_a___|__|_ |\|\ |\ |\ |\ |\ |\|\ |\ |\ | |\ | |. |\ | |. | __a___a__c__a___ _c_c_|_a___|_||_c__d__c_|_c___|_ _d__d__d_|_c__d__c_|_d___||_d_d_|_d___|_ _|_c___|_||_|_|_ _a_a_|_|_a___||_a_a_|_a___|_ _|_a___|_||_|___e_|_ |\ |\ |\|\ | |\ | |\ | | | | _c__f___ef__a__ac_ __|f__||___c_|_c__c___|_a__d__a_|_ __|___||_|_dd_|_a___|_ __|___||_||_|_ __|___||_a___|_a__|_c___|_ _c|_a_||_||_|_ |\|\ |\ |\ |\ |\ |\ |\ |\ |\| |\ | |\ |\ |\ |\ | | | | | | |. |\ | | _h__e__a___f__a___f__a___c__a_ _a___|__|__|___d_|_c_||___ _|__|__|_|_d__d__||___ _|__|__|_a___|___||___ _|_a|_a__e_|___c_|_a_||___ _a___|__|__|_|___||___ I hope people might be encouraged to buy the facsimile. The pieces are about the same standard as this Currant, so not too demanding technically. Best wishes for the New Year, Stewart. - Original Message - From: adS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 9:29 PM Subject: [LUTE] A Dowland concordance Dear lute netters, In the von Harling lute book (= Ratsbuecherei Lueneburg, Mus. ant. pract. 2000) is a piece Currant on pages 12-13 which is a strange mixture of Wilson's Wilde and John Dowland's Mrs. Winter's Jump. The first two strains are from Wilson's Wilde and the third one is drawn from Dowland's piece. Since in both pieces the last two bars of the second strains are very similar the scribe may have copied from a source where the pieces appear one after the other and he accidently mixed up the two pieces(?). Rainer aus dem Spring To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: double fisrst course
David, please tell us how it works out for you - I think we may be missing something if we don't at least try it. I think so. I was walking in the Cité de la Musique among all those Sellasses with double firsts, when my new archlute began to take shape in my head. At least I should give it a try. David David van Ooijen Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
