[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
Isn't soliciting against the law? Gary - Original Message - From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lutelist" Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 6:35 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy > Yes, it had a paradoxical effect on me, as I wanted to hang out in this > area. Please do not worry, as I did no panhandling, nor did I discuss > thumb placement. But, I did solicit the nail/no nail debate. > > ed > > > > At 01:47 AM 1/7/2006 -0800, gary digman wrote: > >Dear Ed; > > > > Did hearing H. Smith's Kaspsberger cause you to loiter in the area. > >Maybe the City should rethink this. I'm not sure they really want gangs of > >unruly lutenists hanging out downtown, panhandling for money to buy strings, > >harassing passersby with their "thumb in, thumb out" rap. Word up. > > > >Gary > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "Stuart LeBlanc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lute" > >Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:35 PM > >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy > > > > > > > I reside in a small City of just under 100,000 people in population. In > > > the downtown area, there has become a notorious area for teenage > > > loitering. The city tried to disperse them, using many means, such as > > > using the police to patrol & mingle. This did not work. So, what _was_ > > > effective was to have recorded Classical music, such as Mozart. The > > > loitering stopped; none of them wanted to hear beautiful music. Once day > > > as I walked by, I actually heard broadcasting in that area Hopkinson > > > Smith's Kapsberger recording! > > > > > > ed > > > > > > > > > > > > At 04:36 PM 1/6/2006 -0600, Stuart LeBlanc wrote: > > > > > > >Actually there a contraposition "Mozart effect," involving the dispersal > >of > > > >loitering teenagers, criminals, etc: > > > > > > > > > > > > Edward Martin > > > 2817 East 2nd Street > > > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > voice: (218) 728-1202 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.12/220 - Release Date: 1/3/2006 > > > > > > > > > > Edward Martin > 2817 East 2nd Street > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > voice: (218) 728-1202 > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.15/223 - Release Date: 1/6/2006 > >
[LUTE] Re: [MLA-L] Music Therapy Today (from NEWJOUR Digest 1499)
This is an interesting conference in Finland. It will give you a better idea about what music therapists do. ajn - Original Message - From: A. Ralph Papakhian Newsgroups: bit.listserv.mla-l Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: [MLA-L] Music Therapy Today (from NEWJOUR Digest 1499) fyi, forwarded from NEWJOUR Digest 1499 --ralph p. ** Music Therapy Today http://www.musictherapytoday.com/ Publisher: University Witten/Herdecke, Chair for Qualitative Research in Medicine A quarterly journal examining music as therapy. ISSN 1610-191X Editor in Chief/Publisher: Prof. Dr. David Aldridge Chair for Qualitative Research in Medicine Institute for Music Therapy / Faculty for Medicine University Witten/Herdecke Alfred-Herrhausen-Str. 50 58448 Witten Germany Editor: Dr. Jrg Fachner Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Managing Editor: Christina Wagner Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content freely accessible in English and German in HTML and PDF format. You can also download the whole issue as an eBook containing all articles. Current Issue: Vol. VI, Issue 4 November 2005 Date: 6 January 2006 * To leave MLA-L, send the command SIGNOFF MLA-L to [EMAIL PROTECTED]or sendan e-mailmessage to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To suspend mail temporarily, send the command SET MLA-L NOMAIL to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The MLA homepage is located at http://www.musiclibraryassoc.org/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
I was actually hired to make a lute recording for a Japanese Suggestopedia teacher. That recording ended being the basis of my solo lute CD. On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:10 PM, Donatella Galletti wrote: > Lozanov, a professor, invented a method which is called > suggestopedia and allows you to learn foreign languages ( as he was > working > with them) in one tenth of the time. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
A wonderful story. ed At 02:21 AM 1/7/2006 -0800, gary digman wrote: >Dear Ed; > > All this talk about the effect of music on plants. What I'm really >interested in is the effect of plants on music. When the original American >drug tsar Harry Anslinger died, his personal physician, one Dr. Munch (you >can't make this stuff up), was asked in an interview why Mr. Anslinger hated >jazz musicians so much. Dr Munch replied that Mr. Anslinger felt that jazz >musicians were given to imbibing cannabis and cannabis slowed down the >musicians sense of time allowing them to insert all these extra notes in >between the written notes, and he, Mr Anslinger, felt that they should stick >to the written notes. How's that for an urban myth? > >Gary >- Original Message - >From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lutelist" >Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:56 AM >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy > > > > The effects of music on plants. H. this is another fascinating >myth. > > > > I saw a TV show this past autumn, called the "Mythbusters". Thus us a > > funny show, where a hypothesis in the form of a myth is either confirmed >or > > busted. In this episode, they set up identical greenhouses, in which one > > had voices arguing loudly telling the plants they 'sucked', one had >Mozart, > > one had pleasant voices telling the plants they were beautiful, and one > > with loud, trashy, bashing and booming heavy metal rock. > > > > Of the 4 greenhouses, 3 had little deviation. The one with the most > > obvious positive growth was the loud rock greenhouse. > > > > ed > > > > > > > > At 01:31 AM 1/6/2006 -0800, gary digman wrote: > > > > >- Original Message - > > >From: "Donatella Galletti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "lute" > > >Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:10 AM > > >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy > > > > > > > > > > and I also suspect my listening to classical music and playing > > > > has an influence on the plants nearby, because they usually bloom even > > >when > > > > they are not supposed to. > > > > > > > > Donatella > > > > > > > > >Such validation, to know that even the plants respond to one's music. Of > > >course, the only way to be sure is to have the same plants in an >environment > > >identical in every way except for the absence of music, and see how they > > >fare. > > > > > >All the Best, Donatella, > > >Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at > > >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > Edward Martin > > 2817 East 2nd Street > > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > voice: (218) 728-1202 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.12/220 - Release Date: 1/3/2006 > > > > Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
Yes, it had a paradoxical effect on me, as I wanted to hang out in this area. Please do not worry, as I did no panhandling, nor did I discuss thumb placement. But, I did solicit the nail/no nail debate. ed At 01:47 AM 1/7/2006 -0800, gary digman wrote: >Dear Ed; > > Did hearing H. Smith's Kaspsberger cause you to loiter in the area. >Maybe the City should rethink this. I'm not sure they really want gangs of >unruly lutenists hanging out downtown, panhandling for money to buy strings, >harassing passersby with their "thumb in, thumb out" rap. Word up. > >Gary > >- Original Message - >From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Stuart LeBlanc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lute" >Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:35 PM >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy > > > > I reside in a small City of just under 100,000 people in population. In > > the downtown area, there has become a notorious area for teenage > > loitering. The city tried to disperse them, using many means, such as > > using the police to patrol & mingle. This did not work. So, what _was_ > > effective was to have recorded Classical music, such as Mozart. The > > loitering stopped; none of them wanted to hear beautiful music. Once day > > as I walked by, I actually heard broadcasting in that area Hopkinson > > Smith's Kapsberger recording! > > > > ed > > > > > > > > At 04:36 PM 1/6/2006 -0600, Stuart LeBlanc wrote: > > > > >Actually there a contraposition "Mozart effect," involving the dispersal >of > > >loitering teenagers, criminals, etc: > > > > > > > > Edward Martin > > 2817 East 2nd Street > > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > voice: (218) 728-1202 > > > > > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.12/220 - Release Date: 1/3/2006 > > > > Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice: (218) 728-1202
[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
Dear Ed; All this talk about the effect of music on plants. What I'm really interested in is the effect of plants on music. When the original American drug tsar Harry Anslinger died, his personal physician, one Dr. Munch (you can't make this stuff up), was asked in an interview why Mr. Anslinger hated jazz musicians so much. Dr Munch replied that Mr. Anslinger felt that jazz musicians were given to imbibing cannabis and cannabis slowed down the musicians sense of time allowing them to insert all these extra notes in between the written notes, and he, Mr Anslinger, felt that they should stick to the written notes. How's that for an urban myth? Gary - Original Message - From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "gary digman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lutelist" Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:56 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy > The effects of music on plants. H. this is another fascinating myth. > > I saw a TV show this past autumn, called the "Mythbusters". Thus us a > funny show, where a hypothesis in the form of a myth is either confirmed or > busted. In this episode, they set up identical greenhouses, in which one > had voices arguing loudly telling the plants they 'sucked', one had Mozart, > one had pleasant voices telling the plants they were beautiful, and one > with loud, trashy, bashing and booming heavy metal rock. > > Of the 4 greenhouses, 3 had little deviation. The one with the most > obvious positive growth was the loud rock greenhouse. > > ed > > > > At 01:31 AM 1/6/2006 -0800, gary digman wrote: > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Donatella Galletti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "lute" > >Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:10 AM > >Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy > > > > > > > and I also suspect my listening to classical music and playing > > > has an influence on the plants nearby, because they usually bloom even > >when > > > they are not supposed to. > > > > > > Donatella > > > > > >Such validation, to know that even the plants respond to one's music. Of > >course, the only way to be sure is to have the same plants in an environment > >identical in every way except for the absence of music, and see how they > >fare. > > > >All the Best, Donatella, > >Gary > > > > > > > > > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at > >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > Edward Martin > 2817 East 2nd Street > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > voice: (218) 728-1202 > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.12/220 - Release Date: 1/3/2006 > >
[LUTE] Re: Do pegs wear out?
Herbert, Taco has given you a good answer, but let me add to it (I make my own pegs). The peg is hardwood, and so is the pegbox. There is wear on both. If each were perfect, like the legendary One Horse Shay that had every part so perfectly matched that it never wore out until the whole thing fell into dust one day (an old New England poem) then the wear could be taken up by just pushing the peg in deeper. But unfortunately nothing is perfect, no matter how lubricated. Anomalies in the grains of each will eventually result in differential wear, usually a bit of "out of round" either of the peg or the peg box. Taco is also right that the violin pegs and lute pegs have a different taper (off the top of my head I think the lute is 30 to 1 and the violin 25 to 1, but don't call me on that). A reamer for the tapered holes costs about $80 so is not practical for the occassional fix. But if you can borrow one you can make a peg shaper for about 5 bucks. Picture your old hand pencil sharpener in the school pencil box. Buy a "jointer blade" (I had to spend $10 as I could only fine a 2 pack, but as each blade has two edges I figure I have about five hundred years worth of blade surface of I reshape 10 pegs a day). Drill a hole through the long side of a block of scrap wood the length of a peg (the hole near one long edge). Take the borrowed reamer and ream the hole in the block to the taper of the peg. Shave the surface of the block to make a place for the jointer blade (picture the old fashioned pencil sharpener) and screw the blade into place. Now you have peg shaper (but do test it on a cheap peg first to see that you have the angle of the blade right). As to the peg box, it can't hurt to gently use that borrowed reamer very gently to smooth the holes. But the enventual result would be to make the hole too wide. But you can always trim the shoulder of a peg a bit, and subject it to the "pencil sharpener" to gain more length. Coming back to basics, if the peg wear and the hole wear are perfectly even then you won't notice it. But that is unlikely, more likely the wear will be uneven causing grabbing and/or slipping. Best, Jon - Original Message - From: "Herbert Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:10 PM Subject: [LUTE] Do pegs wear out? > > A bit mundane, "lo siento mucho". Do pegs wear out? > > If so, how long does it take, and what are the symptoms, > and what do you have to do to fix it? > > I tried a Google search on this subject, figuring the > violin community might provide an abundance > of information, but such was not the case. > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
Dear Ed; Did hearing H. Smith's Kaspsberger cause you to loiter in the area. Maybe the City should rethink this. I'm not sure they really want gangs of unruly lutenists hanging out downtown, panhandling for money to buy strings, harassing passersby with their "thumb in, thumb out" rap. Word up. Gary - Original Message - From: "Edward Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Stuart LeBlanc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "lute" Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:35 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Music Therapy > I reside in a small City of just under 100,000 people in population. In > the downtown area, there has become a notorious area for teenage > loitering. The city tried to disperse them, using many means, such as > using the police to patrol & mingle. This did not work. So, what _was_ > effective was to have recorded Classical music, such as Mozart. The > loitering stopped; none of them wanted to hear beautiful music. Once day > as I walked by, I actually heard broadcasting in that area Hopkinson > Smith's Kapsberger recording! > > ed > > > > At 04:36 PM 1/6/2006 -0600, Stuart LeBlanc wrote: > > >Actually there a contraposition "Mozart effect," involving the dispersal of > >loitering teenagers, criminals, etc: > > > > Edward Martin > 2817 East 2nd Street > Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > voice: (218) 728-1202 > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.12/220 - Release Date: 1/3/2006 > >
[LUTE] Re: Music Therapy
Charles, I have to add to this thread without reading the many messages in it - I'm a bit behind in my reading having recently had a stroke myself. So pardon me if I say things already said by others. Music Therapy is bullshit, but music is therapeutic. As a harpist I've been in some discussions of this. Several members of my harp ensemble are official trained Music Therapists, and I have a CD I was given by a harpist/composer for covering her booth at a harp festival. The CD has specific tunes for the various stages of disease and dying. Bull, each of us is different. The selections for the "terminal", as defined by the academic discipline of Music Therapy (I'm waiting for an academic discipline of the best way to scratch a cat's ears) is soothing and saccharine. Personally I'd prefer a rousing march from a brass quartet. I have no plan to "go gentle into that good night", I'm going kicking and screaming. I had a message a while back on the harp list from a young lady who was going into an academic experiment as to the best harp music for patients in the ICU. Having been in ICUs about six times in the last seven years I pointed out that the best thing for a harpist to do would be to stay out of the way of the ICU nurse, and to not trip over the IVs, and to not worry about the music. Dogs and cats are known to be very therapeutic for patients, but the ICU ain't the place for them. The harpists claim scientific evidence that the special features of the harp are especially therapeutic. I can't argue with that, the harp is unique in a way. Someone mentioned a violinist friend who is doing Music Therapy for wounded soldiers. Dare I say that the violinist isn't doing Music Therapy (he mentions that they like their requests). He is making music for the troops (as contrasted to performing a fixed plan). That is a good thing, but it isn't Music Therapy. Music Therapy is a trained occupation with rules as to the play depending on the condition of the patient (at least as far as I can gather from the Music Therapists I know). I was asked by the young lady on the ICU study what I'd do. I'd "noodle" the harp a bit. Make some note sequences in differing modes and speed, no particular tune. Watch the patient's reaction (which might be quite subtle in the case of the semicomatose), then follow up on the sounds that seem to work. That latter is probably why the harp is said to be suited to therapy, it has a nice resonance when picked as single notes, and it can fully chord them. The lute could be a therapeutic instrument, but that would need patients who like renaissance or baroque music (or other fixed pieces). The lute, and any other instrument (I'd love to hear Bach trumpets in my hospital room, but my roommate and the people in the next corridor might not), are of help to some in hospital. When one is in extremis it is not always clear what will help. And there is certainly no "one size fits all" for each condition, as is implied by Music Therapy. Play it, if they like it play it again. If not, try something else. I don't claim to speak for all patients, but at my age I've had more experience in hospitals lately than I'd prefer. Music, dogs and cats, and anything comforting is a help. But there is no specific that applies to all. when my mother was going out, fifteen years ago at 88 (and semicomatose) I played her recordings of her favorite Gilbert and Sullivan operettas. Each patient is different. Best, Jon - Original Message - From: "Charles Browne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lutelist" Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: [LUTE] Music Therapy > A Happy New Year to all! > There was an article in one of the UK national newspapers recently about > Harpists being 'employed' in operating theatres and in Chemotherapy Units to > help reduce tension and anxiety in patients. I followed this up by looking at > various links to formal Music Therapy and I gather that the Harp, among other > instruments, is often used because of its particular properties. I wondered > whether the lute would be similarly useful. Has anybody on the list experience > of this? > best wishes > Charles > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
