[LUTE] Re: Morales - emendemus in melius
http://www.binghamton.edu/faculty/lincoln/latin-motet.cgi http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page I could not find any lute settings. There certainly are lots of settings for that text. But the Morales one is indeed powerful, especially with all the melodic fifths. I really think he's the greatest of the Spanish Renaissance composers. There is a lute setting by Lassus in Dessau. See http://www-bnus.u-strasbg.fr/smt/sommaire.htm Sorry I can't be more helpful. It is nice to see my teacher's words quoted. It was a wonderful experience to work with him. He was a true New York gentleman. He and his wife prided in being "fifth generation New Yo'kers." Sorry I can't be of more assistance. But why not keep on with your intabulation project. Try different keys. Some of the transcriptions in CPDL are in different keys, so you might not have to deal with making your own transposition. One of the CPDL transcriptions is a fifth lower. It is not properly identified. The second one is, as you propbably know, at the original pitch. (Isn't it?) >From what the few remaining sketches of intabulations tell us, they had >troubles making intabulations back in the 16th century, too. Good luck. Arthur. - Original Message - From: David Cassetti To: lute net Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: [LUTE] Morales - emendemus in melius All, Ash Wed. always reminds me of "emendemus en melius" by Morales; I wonder if anyone has ever arranged this for lutes / vihuelas ? It's one of my favorites. Morales was a very impressive composer! A sequence with some home-made lute samples (for fun only - don't take this seriously) might give a rough idea of the result: [1]http://www.users.qwest.net/~leocassetti/emendemus.mp3 Below is a description of the piece by Gustave Reese in his book "Music in the Renaissance". Best, David Morales appears to have liked having one voice sing a text different from but relevant to that given to the others. ... The most striking example is probably the Emendemus in melius, in which Morales combines in a single composition the Ash Wednesday response: Emendemus in melius, quae ignoranter peccavimus: ne subito praeoccupati die mortis, quaeramus spatium poenitentiae, et invenire non possimus. Attende Domine, et miserere: quia peccavimus tibi. (Let us amend the sins that in our ignorance we have committed, lest the day of death come upon us suddenly, and we find no place for repentance, though we seek it. Hear, O Lord, and have mercy, for we have sinned against thee.) and the words the priest utters during its rendition, these words: Memento homo quia pulvis es, et in pulverem reverteris. (Remember, man, that thou art dust, and unto dust thou shalt return.) being assigned to the tenor, which sounds them six times ... The work is starkly powerful. References 1. http://www.users.qwest.net/~leocassetti/emendemus.mp3 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Pastime with good company
Dear Craig, You mean for lute? It's in Royal Appendix 58. There is a facsimile and transcription in John M..Ward,"The Lute Music of Royal Appendix 58," _Journal of the American Musicological Society_ 13 (1960): 117-25. Ward also gives a history of the tune, which traveled widely. It also appears as "Pas de mi bon compagni" in one of the Barberiis prints. And some of you know it as "De mon triste," in lute settings and ricercars by Francesco and Pierino Fiorentino. Charlotte found it in a Jesuit hymnal for the Algonquin tribe in Quebec. Most music libraries will have JAMS. The facsimile is small (it includes all the lute pieces), but the transcription will assist you. I see Denys has added information about the mensrual versions. ajn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: [LUTE] Pastime with good company Dear Collected Wisdom, Is there a facsimile of the original score for Pastime with Good Company and would you know where I might find it? Many thanks, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Milan, Fanatrsia 8
G. Crona wrote: > Hi Rainer, > > Your ex. 1 makes much more musical sense. > For ex. 2, I do prefer the original (see echo in bar 23). I am afraid bar 23 is an argument FOR my suggested emendation, not against it :) Rainer > > - Original Message - > From: "adS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Lute net" > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 11:58 PM > Subject: [LUTE] Milan, Fanatrsia 8 > > >> Dear lute netters, >> >> I am currently studying Milan's Fantasia 8 and I think I should change two >> bars, >> however, I would like to know other people's opinions: >> >> I am tempted to change bar 14 >> >> from >> ___ >> _0_ >> _0_ >> 2__ >> _2_ >> ___ >> >> to >> >> ___ >> _0_ >> ___ >> _0__2__ >> _2_ >> ___ >> >> Compare bar 17. >> >> and - less convincing though(?) - bar 21 >> >> from >> >> >> _3__ >> _01_ >> _0__2___ >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> _3__ >> _0__1___ >> _02_ >> >> >> >> >> Apparently somebody else wanted to change this bar as indicated by an >> unknown >> modern hand in the copy kept in Madrid, Biblioteca Nacional, R. 9281 :) >> >> Rainer adS >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> > > >
[LUTE] Re: Pastime with good company
Dear Craig, The anonymous lute setting of Pastime is in Royal Appendix 58 (British Library) f. 55r. The song settings attributed to Henry VIII are from the Henry VIII Ms. The lute pieces from the former were published by the Lute Society as a tablature sheet some years ago, and the pieces attributed to Henry VIII from the latter have been published in a modern edition by Stainer & Bell, which includes two versions of Pastime. I don't know of facsimiles of either, but it should be possible to order microfilm prints from the British Library - there's information on how to do that on their website. Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: [LUTE] Pastime with good company > Dear Collected Wisdom, > > Is there a facsimile of the original score for Pastime with Good > Company and would you know where I might find it? > > Many thanks, > Craig > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 24/02/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 24/02/2006
[LUTE] Pastime with good company
Dear Collected Wisdom, Is there a facsimile of the original score for Pastime with Good Company and would you know where I might find it? Many thanks, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
