[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi D-major concerto

[Stephan . Olbertz]

Wasn't some of his lute music composed in Prague? Someone on this list pointed 
out 
that it could even be intended for mandora in this case.

Regards,

Stephan

Am 11 Jun 2006 um 19:43 hat Sal Salvaggio geschrieben:

> Hi
> 
> A dminor 11 or 13th course works - so does a G lute of
> some sort- I've played it on a G lute and it works
> well
> - a lot of careful fingering on the G lute has to be
> done though - some say it was written for a visiting
> german lutenist who happened to play the Dm lute -
> good heavens...could it be?
> 
> SS
> 
> --- LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I'll have to play the Vivaldi D-major lute concerto
> > next month. I thought a 
> > small a'-lute would be the best choice (fastest,
> > best projection), but I 
> > have a cd with very funky performance by Il Giardino
> > Armonico where the part 
> > is played on an archlute. Strong, but a little
> > woolly. Sounds like it has a 
> > seperate mic, as well. Any experience or comments
> > out there?
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > David van Ooijen
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[LUTE] A newbie in need of help

[Bruce O. Bowes]

I have a Pakistani 8 course lute on 30 day trial.

1st, I would appreciate any information about this lute.  I understand the
reputation of these instruments but I wanted to try playing a lute.  You can
email me directly.

2nd,  Am I correct in understanding that the strings on a lute, especially
the lower course octaves are generally not as tight as a classical guitar or
even the wound strings in the same course.  My scale is 22.5" - perhaps that
is the reason.  The strings included my not be the best for the instrument
but I do not want to invest yet in another set of strings.

3rd, If I use the 'thumb under' technique, does one 'hook under' the strings
more so than stroke across them on a guitar?

I would be glad for any help that 'the list' could give me.  I have a little
experience with a guitar and am somewhat proficient with a mountain dulcimer
chord-melody style.

Thank you for your patience.  Cheers

Bruce - learning the joys of multiple strings and a belly to belly
experience

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[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi D-major concerto

[Sal Salvaggio]

Hi

A dminor 11 or 13th course works - so does a G lute of
some sort- I've played it on a G lute and it works
well
- a lot of careful fingering on the G lute has to be
done though - some say it was written for a visiting
german lutenist who happened to play the Dm lute -
good heavens...could it be?

SS

--- LGS-Europe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'll have to play the Vivaldi D-major lute concerto
> next month. I thought a 
> small a'-lute would be the best choice (fastest,
> best projection), but I 
> have a cd with very funky performance by Il Giardino
> Armonico where the part 
> is played on an archlute. Strong, but a little
> woolly. Sounds like it has a 
> seperate mic, as well. Any experience or comments
> out there?
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> 
> David van Ooijen
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[LUTE] Re: tying gut frets

[LGS-Europe]

>> enough that it takes a degree of force to bring it to its proper
>> position,
>> where it just might stay.  Here is where you swell the end and trim it.
>>
>
> Good instructions and pretty much as I do but this is a question on the
> order of events.
>
> I've generally cut and swelled the end (w/ a hot knife --a butter knife
> or other nonsharp variety-- w/ a blade over a candle or something hot)
> _before_ moving it up to its permanent address. Wouldn't this keep the
> knot tight as it moves?

Same as I do. I use a soldering iron (or lighter/match if away from home: 
mind that you don't burn your strings!).

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[LUTE] Re: tying gut frets

[guy_and_liz Smith]

A trick I learned from Grant Tomlinson forlarger fret sizes is to bend the 
section you that you will use to tie the knot back and forth a few times. This 
softens it up a bit and makes tying a knot much easier. It probably weakens the 
gut a bit, but there's more than enough strength left, and the softened section 
won't fall under any strings.

Guy
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  Subject: [LUTE] Re: tying gut frets


  > Van: Stuart Walsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

  > Anyone got any suggestions for a really easy way of tying knots?

  start with soft cotton line.

  The knot you mentioned (van edwards first) is a simple overhand knot in
  one end, the other end is passed thru it, all is cinched tight and the end
  swelled with heat to prevent it pulling back.

  This particular knot is troublesome in larger fretgut, say 0.8mm> (frets 1
  and two typically).  Fret one has its own issues, being the widest part of
  the neck, and the shortest distance of neck available to 'stretch' it.

  A pair of needle-nose plyers helps when pulling (round jaws best,
  half-round ok, prefer smooth to serated), you need an extra length of gut
  when using them; also, first grab the gut in the jaws, the wind the gut
  around the closed jaws, this not only keeps the jaws tight it also avoids
  sharp edges cutting the gut where you least need that (you will pull
  sideways).  Form the knot at a higher (narrower) place on the neck and
  work it tight, then use the taper of the neck as a wedge by slideing the
  fret towards the bridge to compress it just a little tighter.  Repeat. 
  Gradually the knot will get tighter, hopefully you will get it tight
  enough that it takes a degree of force to bring it to its proper position,
  where it just might stay.  Here is where you swell the end and trim it.

  good luck

  -- 
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[LUTE] Re: tying gut frets

[Sean Smith]

> then use the taper of the neck as a wedge by slideing the
> fret towards the bridge to compress it just a little tighter.  Repeat.
> Gradually the knot will get tighter, hopefully you will get it tight
> enough that it takes a degree of force to bring it to its proper 
> position,
> where it just might stay.  Here is where you swell the end and trim it.
>

Good instructions and pretty much as I do but this is a question on the 
order of events.

I've generally cut and swelled the end (w/ a hot knife --a butter knife 
or other nonsharp variety-- w/ a blade over a candle or something hot) 
_before_ moving it up to its permanent address. Wouldn't this keep the 
knot tight as it moves?

A good topic to bring up now and then. A lutenist's dexterity ain't 
just for the notes!

all the best,
Sean Smith


> good luck
>
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[LUTE] Re: tying gut frets

[demery]

> Van: Stuart Walsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

> Anyone got any suggestions for a really easy way of tying knots?

start with soft cotton line.

The knot you mentioned (van edwards first) is a simple overhand knot in
one end, the other end is passed thru it, all is cinched tight and the end
swelled with heat to prevent it pulling back.

This particular knot is troublesome in larger fretgut, say 0.8mm> (frets 1
and two typically).  Fret one has its own issues, being the widest part of
the neck, and the shortest distance of neck available to 'stretch' it.

A pair of needle-nose plyers helps when pulling (round jaws best,
half-round ok, prefer smooth to serated), you need an extra length of gut
when using them; also, first grab the gut in the jaws, the wind the gut
around the closed jaws, this not only keeps the jaws tight it also avoids
sharp edges cutting the gut where you least need that (you will pull
sideways).  Form the knot at a higher (narrower) place on the neck and
work it tight, then use the taper of the neck as a wedge by slideing the
fret towards the bridge to compress it just a little tighter.  Repeat. 
Gradually the knot will get tighter, hopefully you will get it tight
enough that it takes a degree of force to bring it to its proper position,
where it just might stay.  Here is where you swell the end and trim it.

good luck

-- 
Dana Emery




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[LUTE] Balcarres Lute Book (fwd)

[Wayne Cripps]

Some selections are available on line at

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/tab-serv/tab-serv.cgi?Balcarres

W

> 
> Hi Lute netters
> 
> Anyone know where I might get the Balcarres Lute-Book or at least 
> selections for Baroque lute-d-minor tuning.
> 
> Thanks. Dick Brook
> 
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[LUTE] Balcarres Lute Book

[Richard Brook]

Hi Lute netters

Anyone know where I might get the Balcarres Lute-Book or at least 
selections for Baroque lute-d-minor tuning.

Thanks. Dick Brook

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[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi D-major concerto

[LGS-Europe]

Thanks to all who send very helpful advice, on and off-list, concerning the 
correct instrument for the Vivaldi lute concerto in D-major. I've had a very 
enjoyable day playing through the concert on a'-lute (Yes, I'll do it on my 
little sportscar a'-lute!) and archlute (No, the bigger archlute is much 
better!) again and again (my wife knows the music by heart by now). Peter's 
mail with the article by Bob Spencer and Davide's sound advice have finally 
persuaded my to use the archlute after all. It is the better choice 
historically, although I agree with Martin that a high and small lute is 
excellent in an ensemble. But it'll be in a chamber music setting with two 
violins, organ and cello only, and my archlute is a mean machine, so I'll 
survive. Now, back to the music to get those runs up to speed ...

David



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[LUTE] Re: tying gut frets

[van Geest Gitaar & Luitbouw]

Ohh lol,

Well it is the simplest one. Burn one end and tie it to a knot. Stick the
other end through it and pull (as in a way of speaking)... and it will pull
itself tight. Then cut the end off and burn it down.

Can't explain it simpler then that.

Ernstjan


Ernstjan van Geest - Luthier
van Geest Gitaar & Luitbouw - Hasselt, Belgium
www.vangeest.be
011 / 43.77.71


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Stuart Walsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Verzonden: zondag 11 juni 2006 16:45
Aan: van Geest Gitaar & Luitbouw; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Onderwerp: [LUTE] Re: tying gut frets

van Geest Gitaar & Luitbouw wrote:
> There are a few types of knots.
> You can find examples of how to tie them on:
> http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/fretknot.htm
> The top one is the easiest and very quick to do.

That's just the one that is giving me grief! I actually feel my head 
starting to hurt looking at the diagram  and holding a bit of gut and 
trying to reproduce it.

>  This also gives to smallest
> knot.
> The other ones you can sort out for yourself on the provided page.
>
> Hopes this helps.
>
> Ernstjan
>

> Ernstjan van Geest - Luthier
> van Geest Gitaar & Luitbouw - Hasselt, Belgium
> www.vangeest.be
> 011 / 43.77.71
>

>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: Stuart Walsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Verzonden: zondag 11 juni 2006 15:56
> Aan: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Onderwerp: [LUTE] tying gut frets
>
> I used to be able to put frets on well enough. I could only manage 
> double frets, using nylon - and I've completely forgotten the knot.
>
>
> David Van Edwards has some clear descriptions for tying knots on his 
> site. I've been trying to follow them - but I'm on to my second metre of 
> fret gut and no secure knot in sight. I think I'm cognitively challenged 
> in this department. I find it really (REALLY) difficult to reproduce a 
> drawing of a neat-looking knot with a chunk of recalcitrant gut.
>
> A lutenist should be able to renew fret gut - but it's eluding me. 
> Anyone got any suggestions for a really easy way of tying knots?
>
>
>
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>   

[LUTE] Re: tying gut frets

[Stuart Walsh]

van Geest Gitaar & Luitbouw wrote:
> There are a few types of knots.
> You can find examples of how to tie them on:
> http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/fretknot.htm
> The top one is the easiest and very quick to do.

That's just the one that is giving me grief! I actually feel my head 
starting to hurt looking at the diagram  and holding a bit of gut and 
trying to reproduce it.

>  This also gives to smallest
> knot.
> The other ones you can sort out for yourself on the provided page.
>
> Hopes this helps.
>
> Ernstjan
> 
> Ernstjan van Geest - Luthier
> van Geest Gitaar & Luitbouw - Hasselt, Belgium
> www.vangeest.be
> 011 / 43.77.71
> 
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: Stuart Walsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Verzonden: zondag 11 juni 2006 15:56
> Aan: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Onderwerp: [LUTE] tying gut frets
>
> I used to be able to put frets on well enough. I could only manage 
> double frets, using nylon - and I've completely forgotten the knot.
>
>
> David Van Edwards has some clear descriptions for tying knots on his 
> site. I've been trying to follow them - but I'm on to my second metre of 
> fret gut and no secure knot in sight. I think I'm cognitively challenged 
> in this department. I find it really (REALLY) difficult to reproduce a 
> drawing of a neat-looking knot with a chunk of recalcitrant gut.
>
> A lutenist should be able to renew fret gut - but it's eluding me. 
> Anyone got any suggestions for a really easy way of tying knots?
>
>
>
> To get on or off this list see list information at
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>
>
>
>   

[LUTE] Re: tying gut frets

[van Geest Gitaar & Luitbouw]

There are a few types of knots.
You can find examples of how to tie them on:
http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/fretknot.htm
The top one is the easiest and very quick to do. This also gives to smallest
knot.
The other ones you can sort out for yourself on the provided page.

Hopes this helps.

Ernstjan

Ernstjan van Geest - Luthier
van Geest Gitaar & Luitbouw - Hasselt, Belgium
www.vangeest.be
011 / 43.77.71


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Stuart Walsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Verzonden: zondag 11 juni 2006 15:56
Aan: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Onderwerp: [LUTE] tying gut frets

I used to be able to put frets on well enough. I could only manage 
double frets, using nylon - and I've completely forgotten the knot.


David Van Edwards has some clear descriptions for tying knots on his 
site. I've been trying to follow them - but I'm on to my second metre of 
fret gut and no secure knot in sight. I think I'm cognitively challenged 
in this department. I find it really (REALLY) difficult to reproduce a 
drawing of a neat-looking knot with a chunk of recalcitrant gut.

A lutenist should be able to renew fret gut - but it's eluding me. 
Anyone got any suggestions for a really easy way of tying knots?



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[LUTE] tying gut frets

[Stuart Walsh]

I used to be able to put frets on well enough. I could only manage 
double frets, using nylon - and I've completely forgotten the knot.


David Van Edwards has some clear descriptions for tying knots on his 
site. I've been trying to follow them - but I'm on to my second metre of 
fret gut and no secure knot in sight. I think I'm cognitively challenged 
in this department. I find it really (REALLY) difficult to reproduce a 
drawing of a neat-looking knot with a chunk of recalcitrant gut.

A lutenist should be able to renew fret gut - but it's eluding me. 
Anyone got any suggestions for a really easy way of tying knots?



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[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi D-major concerto

[Peter W Jones]

I have referred David off-list to Bob Spencer's essay which accompanies 
Jakob Lindberg's recording of the complete Vivaldi lute works on BIS, but I 
recommend the article to you all as well.  Spencer argues pretty 
convincingly for the use of the arciliuto, summing up:

>From about 1614 in Italy liuto was synonymous with arciliuto: for evidence 
see P.P. Melli, Intavolatura di Liuto (Venice 1614) and G. Zamboni, 
Intavolatura di Leuto (Lucca 1718), for 13- and 14-course archlute 
respectively, and this latter is the instrument played by Jakob Lindberg on 
his recording of these pieces

Needless to say, Jakob's recording makes a pretty persuasive argument in 
favour of the use of an archlute in these works as well!

Peter


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> I'll have to play the Vivaldi D-major lute concerto next month. I thought 
> a
> small a'-lute would be the best choice (fastest, best projection), but I
> have a cd with very funky performance by Il Giardino Armonico where the 
> part
> is played on an archlute. Strong, but a little woolly. Sounds like it has 
> a
> seperate mic, as well. Any experience or comments out there?
>
> David
>
>
>
> 
> David van Ooijen
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> www.davidvanooijen.nl
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi D-major concerto

[Edward Martin]

Hello, David.  I have performed this concerto numerous times, and I have 
done it many different ways I have used a g lute, and an archlute.  I 
have used an alto in a, and most recently, I used a soprano lute in d.  I 
actually favor the higher pitched instruments, because it is clearer in the 
ensemble.

ed




At 02:05 PM 6/11/2006 +0200, LGS-Europe wrote:
>I'll have to play the Vivaldi D-major lute concerto next month. I thought a
>small a'-lute would be the best choice (fastest, best projection), but I
>have a cd with very funky performance by Il Giardino Armonico where the part
>is played on an archlute. Strong, but a little woolly. Sounds like it has a
>seperate mic, as well. Any experience or comments out there?
>
>David
>
>
>
>
>David van Ooijen
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>
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>
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[LUTE] Lute builder list

[van Geest Gitaar & Luitbouw]

Just curious,

Is there still a "builders"-list? Cause I tried to reach it, but somehow I
don't get any messages.

Ernstjan


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[LUTE] Vivaldi D-major concerto

[LGS-Europe]

I'll have to play the Vivaldi D-major lute concerto next month. I thought a 
small a'-lute would be the best choice (fastest, best projection), but I 
have a cd with very funky performance by Il Giardino Armonico where the part 
is played on an archlute. Strong, but a little woolly. Sounds like it has a 
seperate mic, as well. Any experience or comments out there?

David




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[LUTE] John Horton

[LGS-Europe]

Sorry to bother you with something off-topic.
I'm looking for biographical info on John (William) Horton, English 
musicologist, born in 1905 in Nottingham. He worked for the BBC between 1937 
and 1947 and wrote studies on Scandinvian 19th century music, Mendelssohn 
and Brahms. He is in the New Grove.
Main question: is he still alive, and if not, when did he die?

Obviously, you can reply off list.

David






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