[LUTE] Re: Denss facsimile
I have a facsimile published by Dr. Bernd Chr. Becker, Koln, 1994. It wasn't expensive - in fact really very cheap, but is clear and based on the copy in the Stadt- und Universitatsbibliothek Koln, 1an WC II 3.What I can't find, quickly, is his address. Can anyone else help? Richard Corran On 27 Oct 2007, at 16:14, Andrea Damiani wrote: Hello, I am trying to find a complete facsimile of Adrian Denss Florilegium (I have the selection from TREE ed). Anybody can help me? Thanks, Andrea To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: brass wire
>I see-- Thanks for the very clear explanation so the tension really has to do with the sound and construction, and the string length and pitch set the break point. Very interesting. I was thinking of comissioning a ceterone. Have to get the scale right. dt >Be careful! The maximum tension is one point - if you have such thin >diameters as for strings, the maximum tension depends from the >diameter! In other words: The thinner string will break at the same >pitch as the thicker one - but at a much lower tension! So the most >important question is: At which pitch the material of the string has >her breaking point. If you have a really strong built instrument, you >can take thicker strings and the tension is much higher. So the first >question is always: Which diameter had our old musicians on the >highest string when they strung their instruments? >The empiric breaking point for brass is 156 Hz/m. If you have a >string length of 0.50 m, you can get 312 Hz at the breaking point. >You have to calculate then minus one semitone (you like to play, not >to change strings... ;-) and you will have the highest string "so >hoch sies lyden mag" (as high as possible). > >Andreas > >Am 28.10.2007 um 00:49 schrieb David Tayler: > >>Does anyone have a rough figure for the max tension of brass >>(harpsichord type) wire in N-KG? >>Thanks >>dt >> >> >> >>To get on or off this list see list information at >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Denss facsimile
Hello, you can order it via seicento http://www.seicentomusic.de/ 3623 Denss, AdrianFlorilegium omnis...(1594) 48,00 € Greetings wolfgang -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Richard Corran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. Oktober 2007 09:17 An: Andrea Damiani; Lute Net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Denss facsimile I have a facsimile published by Dr. Bernd Chr. Becker, Koln, 1994. It wasn't expensive - in fact really very cheap, but is clear and based on the copy in the Stadt- und Universitatsbibliothek Koln, 1an WC II 3.What I can't find, quickly, is his address. Can anyone else help? Richard Corran On 27 Oct 2007, at 16:14, Andrea Damiani wrote: > Hello, > I am trying to find a complete facsimile of Adrian Denss > Florilegium (I have the selection from TREE ed). Anybody can help me? > Thanks, Andrea > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] How Common
How common are six string lutes like this one?: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Kay/lute12.jpg -- Joshua E. Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: How Common
Thats what I was thinking -- Joshua E. Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: How Common
On Oct 28, 2007, at 8:34 PM, Joshua E. Horn wrote: How common are six string lutes like this one?: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Kay/lute12.jpg That is not what we generally refer to as a historical lute. It looks like a guitar-lute or lutar, if you will: metal frets and six strings. The pic is pretty dark. It could be an old German wander- laute. I think they are less common than modern Renaissance lutes. Fine for classical guitarists who play at Ren fairs but not the best thing if you want to get into lute music. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: How Common
I figured so, looks old, not maybe as old as REALLY old Lute but like 1800s. -- Joshua E. Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: How Common
"Joshua E. Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > How common are six string lutes like this one?: > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Kay/lute12.jpg Most members of the HIP community do not consider that instrument a lute. I'm notorious enough to dissent, so may I put it short. Yes, that kind of lute is widespread outside the HIP comm, e. g. where I live (Germany), and it is often heard in public at reenactment occasions and revival-medieval market places. There are even theorboed types (four or six extra bass strings), but not as widespread as the 6str type. -- Best, Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: How Common
Hi Mathias, I love this anwer... Last year I went to the Fondazione Querini Stampalia in Venice with my lute and group of boys asked me what I had in my case with that strange shape. I said: "A renaissance lute". After a second I heard one of that group whispering to somebody else "must be a wind instrument..." I often experience that in Italy, especially in the so-called "art cities" (Città d'arte) you lute pictures in every church, LOTS of them. But nobody knwos what a lute is, anymore. In Germany, maybe thanks to your Wandervoegel, if somedody asks you what you carry in your case and you happen to answer "a lute", well, most of the time people knows. So sometimes it's better to let a "not so precise" simulation of an instrument to survive, instead of being correctly purist, but have 100 people in the whole country informed the lute... Ciao, Luca Mathias Rösel on 28-10-2007 14:21 wrote: "Joshua E. Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: How common are six string lutes like this one?: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Kay/lute12.jpg Most members of the HIP community do not consider that instrument a lute. I'm notorious enough to dissent, so may I put it short. Yes, that kind of lute is widespread outside the HIP comm, e. g. where I live (Germany), and it is often heard in public at reenactment occasions and revival-medieval market places. There are even theorboed types (four or six extra bass strings), but not as widespread as the 6str type. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Good morning everyone! - New person
Hi Joshua: As you will find most people on this list came to the Lute by way of the Guitar, most and not all. The Lute is a totally different instrument but has enough similarities to confuse the issues of technique and musicianship. I hope you enjoy the Lute because once bitten by it you are hooked. Vance Wood. - Original Message - From: "Joshua E. Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 6:46 AM Subject: [LUTE] Good morning everyone! - New person Hi everyone! -- I am new to the Lute Society of America general mailing list. My name is Joshua, I'm 21 and I live in Texas. I have had interests in Lutes for a very long time. I owned my first Arabic "Oud" several years ago. But my expirence with stringed instruments starts 11 years ago with Guitar lessons. I played Oud for a short while then my Oud (because I had never played before) it was a cheaply made Oud and it broke! - I mainly play Lute music on my acoustic guitar in Renaissance tuning. So I have been playing guitar for 11 years and Oud for about a year I played it, and Lute music just started this year officially. I look forward to talking about Lutes! Joshua -- Joshua E. Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM
[LUTE] Re: How Common
Very common, but they are not Renaissance lutes. These lutes are found all over Germany in attics. They appeared in the late 1800 and early 1900's. Mostly used as fold instruments I believe. regards Bruno On 10/28/07, Joshua E. Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How common are six string lutes like this one?: > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Kay/lute12.jpg > -- > Joshua E. Horn > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- Bruno Cognyl-Fournier Luthiste, etc Estavel Ensemble de musique ancienne www.estavel.org
[LUTE] Re: RH exercise
Yeah, it seems possible to twirl down the front and up the back of the fingers. Is this what you mean by a circular motion? Achieving a full circle of the fingers with the pencil? BTW Is there any treatment for the cooties? I got it bad! One day we will all be accomplished in those fast-runs on the lute and a bit of baton-twirling in between... Ron (UK) "Keep the pencil moving; try not to help with the other hand, and try not to let the pencil fall: if it touches the ground, you may get cooties! (A little added incentive to master the exercise.)" Regards, Leonard Williams To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Denss facsimile
Thanks to everybody who gave advise about Denss! Andrea Il giorno 28/ott/07, alle ore 11:48, wolfgang wiehe ha scritto: Hello, you can order it via seicento http://www.seicentomusic.de/ 3623 Denss, AdrianFlorilegium omnis...(1594) 48,00 € Greetings wolfgang -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Richard Corran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. Oktober 2007 09:17 An: Andrea Damiani; Lute Net Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Denss facsimile I have a facsimile published by Dr. Bernd Chr. Becker, Koln, 1994. It wasn't expensive - in fact really very cheap, but is clear and based on the copy in the Stadt- und Universitatsbibliothek Koln, 1an WC II 3.What I can't find, quickly, is his address. Can anyone else help? Richard Corran On 27 Oct 2007, at 16:14, Andrea Damiani wrote: Hello, I am trying to find a complete facsimile of Adrian Denss Florilegium (I have the selection from TREE ed). Anybody can help me? Thanks, Andrea To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: How Common
Dear Joshua, My father bought one in Montreal long before I was born. I remember when I was seven or so really wanting to play it when I grew up. I took a few classical guitar lessons on it in high school but it never really projected and the spacing was pretty tight though I got used to it. A few years ago he mailed it to me --just wrapped in newspaper, no case, cross-country-- so I took it to a local luthier in San Francisco to make a more practical lute of it. He took off the end clasp, replaced the neck, top and pegbox and re-located the bridge. Now I have a very nice 6-c bass lute and I play it often. Technically it's a little short (67.5 cm) for a real bass lute and would be happier in E but I usually need an instrument in D so I string it heavier. Btw, I measured a friend's bass viol yesterday and the viol was a centimeter shorter. The luthier also told me it was built and braced pretty heavily and that was responsible for its lack of volume. Welcome to Luteworld! A lot of good music, history, and other players. If you have the chance, try to come to the LSA seminar next summer. My first LSA seminars when I was ~20 were VERY educational --and a lot of fun. Or maybe it was those goofy "professionals", Paul-O and Toyohiko running around with their damn squirt guns Either way, good times. Sean On Oct 28, 2007, at 4:34 AM, Joshua E. Horn wrote: How common are six string lutes like this one?: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Kay/lute12.jpg -- Joshua E. Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Good morning everyone! - New person
Hi Vance, Thanks for the welcome! =] I have had my eye on getting a Lute for a long time. However I am unemployed at the moment (I am a mentally-ill stricken person) who has trouble dealing with crowds and stress and also other things. SO I have trouble keeping jobs. I was however, able to trade one of my laptops that I had to my brother for a new acoustic guitar he had. (mine was broken). I had been playing guitar for about 11 years now. I tuned the guitar to Renaissance Lute tuning as soon as I got it. Ive got a chart of Lute chords and Im looking at different Lute lessons online. So that's where Im at right now. -- Joshua E. Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: How Common
I love it that it lives next to the heating vent. dt At 04:15 AM 10/28/2007, you wrote: >On Oct 28, 2007, at 8:34 PM, Joshua E. Horn wrote: > >>How common are six string lutes like this one?: >> >>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Kay/lute12.jpg > >That is not what we generally refer to as a historical lute. It looks >like a guitar-lute or lutar, if you will: metal frets and six >strings. The pic is pretty dark. It could be an old German wander- >laute. I think they are less common than modern Renaissance lutes. >Fine for classical guitarists who play at Ren fairs but not the best >thing if you want to get into lute music. > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute iconographic project - a proposal
the marin website was a joy to browse through. i lack the expertise to make much of a contribution, but i hope susanne's suggestion is taken up. > Dear all, > > I liked very much the website of Alfonso Marin about the Lute iconography. Thank you very much for this work! > > Woulnd't it be good if this could get a more official character und could be enlarged by the help of us all (I guess nearly every body has digital photographs of lute angels, pictures, instruments in museums a.s.o. which would be interesting for everyone and which we could send to Alfonso Marin)? > > Then it would be helpful if the pictures could be organized in groups, e.g. 1) paintings, several periods of time 2) sculptures 3) instruments in museums (different types a.s.o.) > > The information could also be added by everyone. > > I think the medium "Internet" is really good to combine information, to share with many people. It could be a really good basis for research. > > What do you think about this idea? > > > All the best, > > Susanne > -- > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > -- NeoMail - http://neomail.sourceforge.net
[LUTE] Lute book lullaby for SATB
does anyone have a Fronimo/Django file of the Lute-book lullaby for SATB? I would be very grateful for a copy! thanks Charles browne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: RH exercise
On 10/28/07 11:11 AM, "Ron Fletcher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, it seems possible to twirl down the front and up the back of the > fingers. Is this what you mean by a circular motion? Achieving a full > circle of the fingers with the pencil? I wish I had the gear to record and post this thing to YoutTube, but alas I don't. You probably have it right--the pencil does a kind of weaving motion through the fingers, now on the palm side, now at the back, up and down. It really gets the fingers loosened up, while demanding control of their movements. Don't forget to reverse directions. I find that the motions involved somewhat resemble (in an extreme) what happens with thumb-under plucking. > BTW Is there any treatment for the cooties? Adolescent acne, possibly. Regards, Leonard > > I got it bad! > > One day we will all be accomplished in those fast-runs on the lute and a bit > of baton-twirling in between... > > Ron (UK) > > "Keep the pencil moving; try not to help with the other hand, and try not to > let > the pencil fall: if it touches the ground, you may get cooties! (A little > added incentive to master the exercise.)" > > Regards, > Leonard Williams > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
[LUTE] Re: Good morning everyone! - New person
I assume you are using tablature? You must learn to play tablature or you are cutting yourself off from 90% of the material available for the Lute, most of which has never been transposed into staff notation. Vance Wood. - Original Message - From: "Joshua E. Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "LuteNet" Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Good morning everyone! - New person Hi Vance, Thanks for the welcome! =] I have had my eye on getting a Lute for a long time. However I am unemployed at the moment (I am a mentally-ill stricken person) who has trouble dealing with crowds and stress and also other things. SO I have trouble keeping jobs. I was however, able to trade one of my laptops that I had to my brother for a new acoustic guitar he had. (mine was broken). I had been playing guitar for about 11 years now. I tuned the guitar to Renaissance Lute tuning as soon as I got it. Ive got a chart of Lute chords and Im looking at different Lute lessons online. So that's where Im at right now. -- Joshua E. Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - mmm... Fastmail... To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1096 - Release Date: 10/27/2007 11:02 AM
[LUTE] Re: How Common
Ciao Luca, the memory of what a lute might be, is especially vivid in the town where I live because of a famous tale bearing the town's name in it, that you will possibly know. The town is Bremen, and I'm speaking of the Bremen Town Musicians (Bremer Stadtmusikanten), i. e. a donkey, a dog, a cat and a cock. Remember the instrument that the donkey plays? Yepp, correct, that's it. >B) In its established form, the tale was collected by Bros. Grimm, at a time when what are now considered HIP lutes were no more played. Instead, those ineffable, *coughs*, wandervogels were what people had in minds when they said "lute", because those were widely played. -- Best wishes, Mathias "Luca Manassero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Hi Mathias, > > I love this anwer... > > Last year I went to the Fondazione Querini Stampalia in Venice with my > lute and group of boys asked me what I had in my case with that strange > shape. I said: "A renaissance lute". After a second I heard one of that > group whispering to somebody else "must be a wind instrument..." > I often experience that in Italy, especially in the so-called "art > cities" (Città d'arte) you lute pictures in every church, LOTS of them. > But nobody knwos what a lute is, anymore. In Germany, maybe thanks to > your Wandervoegel, if somedody asks you what you carry in your case and > you happen to answer "a lute", well, most of the time people knows. > > So sometimes it's better to let a "not so precise" simulation of an > instrument to survive, instead of being correctly purist, but have 100 > people in the whole country informed the lute... > > Ciao, > > Luca > > > Mathias Rösel on 28-10-2007 14:21 wrote: > > "Joshua E. Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > >> How common are six string lutes like this one?: > >> > >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Kay/lute12.jpg > >> > > > > Most members of the HIP community do not consider that instrument a > > lute. I'm notorious enough to dissent, so may I put it short. > > Yes, that kind of lute is widespread outside the HIP comm, e. g. where I > > live (Germany), and it is often heard in public at reenactment occasions > > and revival-medieval market places. There are even theorboed types (four > > or six extra bass strings), but not as widespread as the 6str type. > > > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: How Common
That was not the only lute-donkey relationship on record. Let's not forget this: http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/grimm144.html RT the memory of what a lute might be, is especially vivid in the town where I live because of a famous tale bearing the town's name in it, that you will possibly know. The town is Bremen, and I'm speaking of the Bremen Town Musicians (Bremer Stadtmusikanten), i. e. a donkey, a dog, a cat and a cock. Remember the instrument that the donkey plays? Yepp, correct, that's it. >B) In its established form, the tale was collected by Bros. Grimm, at a time when what are now considered HIP lutes were no more played. Instead, those ineffable, *coughs*, wandervogels were what people had in minds when they said "lute", because those were widely played. -- Best wishes, Mathias "Luca Manassero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: Hi Mathias, I love this anwer... Last year I went to the Fondazione Querini Stampalia in Venice with my lute and group of boys asked me what I had in my case with that strange shape. I said: "A renaissance lute". After a second I heard one of that group whispering to somebody else "must be a wind instrument..." I often experience that in Italy, especially in the so-called "art cities" (Città d'arte) you lute pictures in every church, LOTS of them. But nobody knwos what a lute is, anymore. In Germany, maybe thanks to your Wandervoegel, if somedody asks you what you carry in your case and you happen to answer "a lute", well, most of the time people knows. So sometimes it's better to let a "not so precise" simulation of an instrument to survive, instead of being correctly purist, but have 100 people in the whole country informed the lute... Ciao, Luca Mathias Rösel on 28-10-2007 14:21 wrote: > "Joshua E. Horn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > >> How common are six string lutes like this one?: >> >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute/Kay/lute12.jpg >> > > Most members of the HIP community do not consider that instrument a > lute. I'm notorious enough to dissent, so may I put it short. > Yes, that kind of lute is widespread outside the HIP comm, e. g. where > I > live (Germany), and it is often heard in public at reenactment > occasions > and revival-medieval market places. There are even theorboed types > (four > or six extra bass strings), but not as widespread as the 6str type. > To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Denss facsimile
Dear Andrea, There is a facsimile published by Dr. Bernd Christoph Becker, Marzellenstraße 62-64, D 50668 Köln. Ciao, Stewart McCoy. - Original Message - From: "Andrea Damiani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lutelist" Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 3:14 PM Subject: [LUTE] Denss facsimile Hello, I am trying to find a complete facsimile of Adrian Denss Florilegium (I have the selection from TREE ed). Anybody can help me? Thanks, Andrea To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Good morning everyone! - New person
Vance, I can read Lute tablature at a basic level (still learning) but I can read guitar tablature second nature. -- Joshua E. Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
