[LUTE] Re: Bizarre info request, bordering on advice request
...the choices are Electric Engineer and Electronics and Computer Engineering. I've been a programmer systems admin, and it's a bag of worms I don't want to have to deal with! Computer--worms? Gary - Original Message - From: William Brohinsky To: gary digman Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Bizarre info request, bordering on advice request On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 4:15 AM, gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...bag of worms... Pun intended? Gary Maybe not? What's the pun? ray No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1537 - Release Date: 7/6/2008 5:26 AM -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: El Gordo
Clearly, the box is for Gorilla Snot. Caroline David Tayler wrote: This is kind of a cool lute. Renaissance, circa Capirola, very, very large. Table position The thumb is in the very popular thumb middle, neither particularly inside the hand nor stretched out. Left hand in cruiser position. Box for spare strings? http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/tdimage?object=90793 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- * Caroline Usher, Dept. of Biology Box 90338 Durham NC 27708 919-613-8155, fax 660-7293 --
[LUTE] Re: El Gordo
Caroline, I remember what Gorilla Snot is, and your good experience with it, although not available in Europe, but unfortunately it says in the main frame, two pages before the one posted, that it really is for strings. The detail even shows a string. Lovely realism - great expressions - fantastic painting! G. - Original Message - From: Caroline Usher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: El Gordo Clearly, the box is for Gorilla Snot. Caroline David Tayler wrote: This is kind of a cool lute. Renaissance, circa Capirola, very, very large. Table position The thumb is in the very popular thumb middle, neither particularly inside the hand nor stretched out. Left hand in cruiser position. Box for spare strings? http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/tdimage?object=90793 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: El Gordo
It looks like the painter didn't care to show double strings, or the player used single strings omitting every second peg. Best JL -Original Message- From: David Tayler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:05 AM To: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] El Gordo This is kind of a cool lute. Renaissance, circa Capirola, very, very large. Table position The thumb is in the very popular thumb middle, neither particularly inside the hand nor stretched out. Left hand in cruiser position. Box for spare strings? http://www.nga.gov/cgi-bin/tdimage?object=90793 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: El Gordo
Yes you're right, I haven't noticed it. I was looking at the right hand were the strings seem to be single no matter how magnified. JL -Original Message- From: G. Crona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 9:01 PM To: Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: El Gordo There was more detail if you look at the left hand. G. - Original Message - From: Jarosław Lipski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Lute' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: El Gordo It looks like the painter didn't care to show double strings, or the player used single strings omitting every second peg. Best JL To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: El Gordo
The string representation is a curious feature of the work, since so many of the details are meticulously recorded. However, it is unikely that they are single and one end and double at the other :) There look to be thin traces of the pair in one of the right hand details, but not the other. An intriguing but unlikely possibility is that the right hand spacing is extremely narrow. I have never tried it that way, but it should work. dt At 12:00 PM 7/9/2008, you wrote: There was more detail if you look at the left hand. G. - Original Message - From: Jaros³aw Lipski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Lute' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: El Gordo It looks like the painter didn't care to show double strings, or the player used single strings omitting every second peg. Best JL To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: El Gordo
There are so many things to appreciate and wonder about in this painting. The hands look so natural you can see the chord he's playing (a Gmaj chord on an E lute? It could be a C chord but it appears he's playing the 6th course w/ his right hand). Maybe he's listening to hear if the strings are in tune --a test chord? Or I wonder if the painter started to capture the player's boredom from having to sit for too long. I love the fact that a table is being used and his hands look so relaxed that we hardly notice that his elbow is at chin-height! There's a lesson for us here but we should probably take it w/ a grain of salt. Despite many of the proportions being very good the lute does seem to confuse the artist a little. The lute shell just below his throat seems a little off and there are other lute parts that wander. This really isn't important but the width of the neck leads may lead one down the garden path. I think, in order for the left hand to appear more natural, the artist has narrowed the neck, perhaps unconsciously which, in turn, leads to the pegbox walls becoming parallel. (Are there any other references to a square/rectangular pegbox?) It all leads me to wonder if there are two artists at work here: the body parts are almost too competent compared to the lifeless table top, background and stringbox. Is there a symbolic relationship between the headdress and the lace? Are they an actual trio of musicians or is the composition contrived to be a more allegorical presentation? One thing is certain: he was someone's favorite lutenist. My apologies for all the questions and conjectures. If anyone could offer more clues, I'd appreciate it. Sean On Jul 9, 2008, at 12:00 PM, G. Crona wrote: There was more detail if you look at the left hand. G. - Original Message - From: Jarosław Lipski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Lute' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: El Gordo It looks like the painter didn't care to show double strings, or the player used single strings omitting every second peg. Best JL To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
