[LUTE] Re: lute tab links

[Roman Turovsky]

http://polyhymnion.org/adc/music-download.htm

Paulo.
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From: "Ed Durbrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 10:28 PM
Subject: [LUTE] lute tab links


I recently checked links at my 'lute tab on the net' page (http:// 
www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/webtab.html) and ended up taking out quite  
a few links: Allan Alexander, Carlo Stringhi, Daniel Shoskes, Andy  
Green, Bill Good, Paulo Galvao because the links were dead and Mark  
Wheeler because there was no tab there that I could find. If these  
links are now updated or if you know of any new sources, could you  
please contact me?

Many thanks in advance.

Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[LUTE] lute tab links

[Ed Durbrow]

I recently checked links at my 'lute tab on the net' page (http:// 
www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/webtab.html) and ended up taking out quite  
a few links: Allan Alexander, Carlo Stringhi, Daniel Shoskes, Andy  
Green, Bill Good, Paulo Galvao because the links were dead and Mark  
Wheeler because there was no tab there that I could find. If these  
links are now updated or if you know of any new sources, could you  
please contact me?

Many thanks in advance.

Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/




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[LUTE] Re: Interesting data on lute sound.

[David Tayler]

Another view of the same wave showing a greatly expanded detail with 
a timeline in milliseconds


http://www.voicesofmusic.org/lutepluck2.jpg



dt




At 02:57 PM 8/21/2008, you wrote:
>Here is a lute pluck made from a Schoeps MK2.
>The peak is reached after about 20 milliseconds, so about the same
>time as my attention span. Hm.
>http://www.voicesofmusic.org/lutepluck.jpg
>
>dt
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[LUTE] Re: Interesting data on lute sound.

[David Tayler]

Here is a lute pluck made from a Schoeps MK2.
The peak is reached after about 20 milliseconds, so about the same 
time as my attention span. Hm.
http://www.voicesofmusic.org/lutepluck.jpg

dt



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[LUTE] Re: Interesting data on lute sound.

[David Tayler]

Very interesting. May I ask what microphone you used, and if all the 
strings were damped except the sounding one?
Thanks for your work,

dt


At 10:33 AM 8/20/2008, you wrote:

>In the past, I made several assumptions about the
>volume of a lute as it is plucked.
>
>However, after making real measurements with
>a microphone, computer, and sound-card, they
>appear possibly false.
>
>Measurements are presented in this diagram
>
>http://www.ph.utexas.edu/~ward/structure.jpg
>
>The horizontal axis is time
>The vertical axis is sound volume.
>The music in the diagram is a series of
>one-voice phrases, played on the second and
>third courses of a double-strung lute.
>
>1. The sound is _not_ loudest immediately after the
>pluck, as would seem a natural assumption.  Rather,
>the peak volume occurs about 1/10 of a second
>after the pluck.  See the F note in the diagram.
>
>2. The decay of a note is not always
>a simple exponential.  See the C note
>in the diagram, which has prominent structure
>superposed on the exponential decay.  Even more
>remarkable is the unmarked note
>two notes after the A note.
>
>3. The decay is not uniform from pluck
>to pluck.  Observe the wide variety
>of decay shapes in the diagram.
>
>4. The sound does not die suddenly when the
>string is touched by a finger.  Rather, it dies in
>about 1/15 of a second.  See the A note in the
>diagram.
>
>5. "Legato" playing by a person of my technique
>level actually has sizable gaps between the notes.
>See the gap between the A note and the following
>note.
>
>
>
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[LUTE] Was: Go, crystal tears Now: Degree at Oxford

[David Tayler]

   That's a very interesting idea--I could believe that a gentleman of
   means could purchase a degree! The question is, was Dowland a gentleman
   of means, or a musician in service?
   I suppose if one could show that Dowland was busy elsewhere in the four
   years before he received his degree in 1588 one could argue that he did
   not take school seriously.
   It would be interesting to really try to pin down his whereabouts at
   this time.
   However, there is a great deal to suggest that he did take his studies
   seriously.
   These are--
   1. A degree from Oxford, and not a "gentleman's" degree.
   2. A thorough knowledge of contemporaneous hexachord and counterpoint
   theory--a rare quality
   3. No real records of his time when he would presumably have been
   studying--perhaps this new article has info I haven't seen about his
   activities?
   4. Interdisciplinary, complex academic work--his edition and
   translation of the Micrologus, 1609,  presumably the equivalent of a
   dissertation.
   5. Subsequent awarding of the Doctorate from Oxford, also quite rare.
   6. The extreme skill and competency, as well as academic activities of
   his degreed colleagues, Morley and Bull, both associated with Oxford
   7. The implicit requirement that a degree was necessary for a position
   at the Chapel Royal, and the special tuition program to provide
   musicians of the highest training for the Chapel. And this is key, I
   believe to the astonishingly high quality of English music from this
   time.
   The arguments that he knew Morley:
   1. They graduated the same day, the same year, the same university,
   July 8 1588
   2. Dowland's acknowledgement by name to Morley in the title of the 3rd
   book.
   3. Dowland's curious and highly unusual use of Morley's "April is in my
   mistress face" in "Bucton's Galliard" as a musical compliment.
   I would also hazard that Dowland and Morley received some training
   from, and certainly knew the slightly elder Dr John Bull, and that this
   is another pillar of the connexion to the Chapel Royal and Oxford as
   well as Cambridge. Dr Bull may well have provided Dowland's
   introduction to Holborne, who presumably received his degree from
   Cambridge. Dowland dedicates his singularly well crafted tetrachord
   masterpiece. "I saw my Lady weep" to Holborne.
   Dr. Bull--one of the few to receive that degree--filed for his Bachelor
   degree in 1586. Oxford records refer to his DMus on July 7, 1592, and
   records indicate that he practised [in] the Faculty of Music for 14
   years.
   I think the fact of Bull's long standing academic tenure gives some
   small indication of both the commitment and the quality at Oxford,
   although Bull himself complained about (CF New Grove) 'Clownes & rigid
   Puritans that could not endure Church music' an insight into curriculum
   politics.
   This comment is telling, because it means that Bull must have
   emphasized this in his teaching, which shores up the source of Dowland
   and Morley's exhaustive contrapuntal training.
   I aslo think the interwoven acedemic circles partially explain the
   antipathy to the nondegreed lutenists, such as Bacheler & Cutting.
   Lastly, although I of course completely respect Harwood's work,
   Morley's encyclopedic and propaedeutic tome could not be the result of
   submitting a sole compostion; it could only be the result of many years
   of the highest training in the world. I would conjecture that this was
   certainly due to the university tutor system, which was the stardard
   then, and still persists to this day. Indeed, since we know that  the
   Royal Chapel provided extensive, metered tuition for musicians, and
   musicians of small substance complained bitterly that the practice was
   discontinued under the reign of Queen Elizabeth, it certainly cannot be
   cannot be possible that there was no study, and that the degree was a
   formality.
   dt
   At 02:27 AM 8/19/2008, you wrote:

 Dear David T:

 Forgive me for willy-nilly mixing up comments with Davids.  I think
 we are in agreement with the need to fix mistakes but it is
 necessary to apply a more contextual approach than to look backwards
 with our modern training in the treatment of dissonance.  There are
 many instances in the music of _A Pilgrims solace_ where one finds
 bits I would call daring rather than outright wrong.  The example of
 'When the poor cripple' features a wonderful unprepared dissonance
 (a major second) in the part writing between cantus and altus on the
 word 'grief' for instance.  Also, Dowland used an interesting
 augmented fifth in 'Tell me true love' and 'From silent night' that
 is also found in the chromatic fantasias.  I think of this as
 pungent rather than wrong, perhaps another signature motif.

 I completely agree that Dowland knew his counterpoint, and barring
 the printer's error, what he wrote, he wrote on purp

[LUTE] Re: Deep Purple

[Narada]

As long as they get coverdale to sing & let sting & blackmore play the
lute. Should be fun, given the deep hatred that Blackmore & Coverdale
have for each other.ha, ha

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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Deep Purple

   Yep I think this calls for a CD of lute duets and songs with
Sting.

   Bruno
   On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 6:45 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

   Last year FIngerstyle Guitar Magazine #61 had an interview with
   Blackmore as well as two arrangements. I don't remember if they
 were
   originals in Renaissance style or transcriptions of period music.
   Brad Little
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[LUTE] Re: Deep Purple

[howard posner]

On Aug 21, 2008, at 3:01 AM, Taco Walstra wrote:

> Maybe it's time that Ritchie should bring out a CD with songs by
> Campion or
> Dowland. There is perhaps a croatian lutenist available to play the
> lute
> part.

Martin Barre is Croatian???
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[LUTE] Re: Deep Purple

[Bruno Fournier]

   Yep I think this calls for a CD of lute duets and songs with Sting.

   Bruno
   On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 6:45 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

   Last year FIngerstyle Guitar Magazine #61 had an interview with
   Blackmore as well as two arrangements. I don't remember if they
 were
   originals in Renaissance style or transcriptions of period music.
   Brad Little
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   [3]www.estavel.org

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[LUTE] Re: Deep Purple

[Eugene C. Braig IV]

At 06:01 AM 8/21/2008, Taco Walstra wrote:
>On Thursday 21 August 2008 11:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] rattled on the keyboard:
> > I just read an interview with Ritchie Blackmore, in German...
> >
> > He says:
> >
> > Meine Leidenschaft war immer die Renaissance-Musik.
> > Nur wusste das niemand. Wenn wir nach den Purple-Gigs
> > ins Hotel kamen, habe ich mir nur solche Lautenmusik angehoert.
> >
> > Renaissance Music has alwyas been my passion, but
> > nobody knew about it. When we came back to the hotel
> > after the Purple gigs I only listened to that lute music.
> >
> > 
> http://www.derwesten.de/nachrichten/kultur/freizeit/2008/8/20/news-70699796/detail.html
>  
>
> >
> > hehehehe!
> >
>Maybe it's time that Ritchie should bring out a CD with songs by Campion or
>Dowland. There is perhaps a croatian lutenist available to play the lute
>part.
>Taco

There is, of course, Blackmore's Night  , 
concocted to appeal to the renaissance faire-type crowd and referred to in 
the linked article.  Frankly, I miss Deep Purple and Dio-era Rainbow most 
keenly when occasionally exposed to Blackmore's Night.  There's nothing 
wrong with it; it's just not for me.

Eugene 



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[LUTE] Pisador

[Jorge Torres]

Dear List:

Does anyone know of any legal online versions (either in tab or  
standard notation) of Pisador's works.  I am especially interested in  
a score for "Endechas de canarias."


Thank you,
Jorge

On Aug 21, 2008, at 5:43 AM, LGS-Europe wrote:

Last year (or was it two years ago?) they filled one of the major  
football stadiums in Holland with loads and loads of guitarists,  
just to play Smoke on the Water together. Perhaps time to put on my  
lute repertoire ...


David  - smoke on the water, frets on fire





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To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Deep Purple



I just read an interview with Ritchie Blackmore, in German...

He says:


Meine Leidenschaft war immer die Renaissance-Musik.
Nur wusste das niemand. Wenn wir nach den Purple-Gigs
ins Hotel kamen, habe ich mir nur solche Lautenmusik angehoert.


Renaissance Music has alwyas been my passion, but
nobody knew about it. When we came back to the hotel
after the Purple gigs I only listened to that lute music.

[1]http://www.derwesten.de/nachrichten/kultur/freizeit/2008/8/20/news-70699796/d
etail.html



hehehehe!

B.

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[LUTE] new videos

[Rob MacKillop]

   The constant rain here in Edinburgh put me in a melancholic mood. Here
   are three new videos of baroque guitar music from Portugal and Mexico
   (Greensleeves!):

   [1]http://www.vimeo.com/robmackillop/videos

   Also on the Ning Baroque Guitar site and YouTube.
   Apologies for cross-posting...

   Rob MacKillop

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[LUTE] Re: Deep Purple

[guitar48]

   Last year FIngerstyle Guitar Magazine #61 had an interview with
   Blackmore as well as two arrangements. I don't remember if they were
   originals in Renaissance style or transcriptions of period music.

   Brad Little



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[LUTE] Re: Deep Purple

[Taco Walstra]

On Thursday 21 August 2008 11:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] rattled on the keyboard:
> I just read an interview with Ritchie Blackmore, in German...
>
> He says:
>
>
> Meine Leidenschaft war immer die Renaissance-Musik.
> Nur wusste das niemand. Wenn wir nach den Purple-Gigs
> ins Hotel kamen, habe ich mir nur solche Lautenmusik angehoert.
>
>
> Renaissance Music has alwyas been my passion, but
> nobody knew about it. When we came back to the hotel
> after the Purple gigs I only listened to that lute music.
>
> [1]http://www.derwesten.de/nachrichten/kultur/freizeit/2008/8/20/news-70699
>796/d etail.html
>
>
>
> hehehehe!
>
Maybe it's time that Ritchie should bring out a CD with songs by Campion or 
Dowland. There is perhaps a croatian lutenist available to play the lute 
part.
Taco



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[LUTE] Re: Deep Purple

[LGS-Europe]

Last year (or was it two years ago?) they filled one of the major football 
stadiums in Holland with loads and loads of guitarists, just to play Smoke 
on the Water together. Perhaps time to put on my lute repertoire ...


David  - smoke on the water, frets on fire





David van Ooijen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.davidvanooijen.nl



- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Deep Purple



I just read an interview with Ritchie Blackmore, in German...

He says:


Meine Leidenschaft war immer die Renaissance-Musik.
Nur wusste das niemand. Wenn wir nach den Purple-Gigs
ins Hotel kamen, habe ich mir nur solche Lautenmusik angehoert.


Renaissance Music has alwyas been my passion, but
nobody knew about it. When we came back to the hotel
after the Purple gigs I only listened to that lute music.

[1]http://www.derwesten.de/nachrichten/kultur/freizeit/2008/8/20/news-70699796/d
etail.html



hehehehe!

B.

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[LUTE] Deep Purple

[bh]

I just read an interview with Ritchie Blackmore, in German...

He says:


Meine Leidenschaft war immer die Renaissance-Musik.
Nur wusste das niemand. Wenn wir nach den Purple-Gigs
ins Hotel kamen, habe ich mir nur solche Lautenmusik angehoert.


Renaissance Music has alwyas been my passion, but
nobody knew about it. When we came back to the hotel
after the Purple gigs I only listened to that lute music.

[1]http://www.derwesten.de/nachrichten/kultur/freizeit/2008/8/20/news-70699796/d
etail.html



hehehehe!

B.

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[LUTE] Re: Interesting data on lute sound.

[Taco Walstra]

On Wednesday 20 August 2008 19:33, Herbert Ward rattled on the keyboard:
> In the past, I made several assumptions about the
> volume of a lute as it is plucked.
>
> However, after making real measurements with
> a microphone, computer, and sound-card, they
> appear possibly false.
>
> Measurements are presented in this diagram
>
> http://www.ph.utexas.edu/~ward/structure.jpg
>
> The horizontal axis is time
> The vertical axis is sound volume.
> The music in the diagram is a series of
> one-voice phrases, played on the second and
> third courses of a double-strung lute.
>
>
>
Hi herbert,
It's perhaps interesting to change it into a 3D plot where you put time on the 
Z axis and plot a changing fourier plot on x-y. 
Your assumption about 'not loudest immediately after the pluck' has much to do 
with string types. A gut string reaches earlier it's maximum than a nylon 
string, while sustain is less. Perhaps also a nice exercise.
Taco (another lutenist working at a physics department)



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