[LUTE] Re: Manuscript additions to Denss
This is the copy published in facsimile by Tree Editions... Regards, Stephan Am 31.08.2009, 23:24 Uhr, schrieb Stewart McCoy : Dear Howard, Some time ago you were asking about tablature sources where the tablature is like Luis Milan's, i.e. Italian tablature upside down. I notice that there is some music added to one of Denss's books, which is in this kind of tablature: http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031268/images/index.ht ml?id=00031268&fip=88.106.240.211&no=&seite=51 Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of G. Crona Sent: 26 August 2009 12:19 To: Lute mailing list Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ein Newgeordent Kuenstlich Lautenbuch Where you'll also find: Denss Waissel Ochsenkuhn Bakfark + guitar & continuo stuff - Original Message - From: "Karl-L. Eggert" To: "Lute mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:03 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: [english 100%] Re: Hans NeusiedleRe: Ein Newgeordent Kuenstlich Lautenbuch Hi all, there are also manuscripts digitalized. Go to "Suche" [1]http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/index.html?c=suchen&l=de and enter the Stichwort: Mus.ms you'll get a list of all ms. Click at any to see the pics. Karl - Original Message - From: "David van Ooijen" <[2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> To: <[3]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:40 AM Subject: [english 100%] [LUTE] Re: Hans NeusiedleRe: Ein Newgeordent Kuenstlich Lautenbuch > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Matteo > Turri<[4]matteo.o.tu...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> The Bavarian State Library provides a number of digitizations of sheet >> music > > Great resource. Pity the mss are not available. Anybody know if this > is planned, too? > > David To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Erstellt mit Operas revolutionärem E-Mail-Modul: http://www.opera.com/mail/
[LUTE] Re: Manuscript additions to Denss
-Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Stewart McCoy Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:24 PM To: Lute Net Cc: Howard Posner Subject: [LUTE] Manuscript additions to Denss Dear Howard, Some time ago you were asking about tablature sources where the tablature is like Luis Milan's, i.e. Italian tablature upside down. I notice that there is some music added to one of Denss's books, which is in this kind of tablature: An article about these additions has been published in the journal of the German lute society many, many years ago. Rainer adS CONFIDENTIALITY DISCLAIMER The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose outside of any NDA currently existing between Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH and yourselves. Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH Hansaallee 181 - 40549 Duesseldorf - Germany Phone: +49 (211) 5296-0 - Fax: +49 (211) 5296-400 Handelsregister Duesseldorf HRB 22487 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Hitoshi Otsuka Amtsgericht Duesseldorf To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Manuscript additions to Denss
Dear Howard, Some time ago you were asking about tablature sources where the tablature is like Luis Milan's, i.e. Italian tablature upside down. I notice that there is some music added to one of Denss's books, which is in this kind of tablature: http://daten.digitale-sammlungen.de/~db/0003/bsb00031268/images/index.ht ml?id=00031268&fip=88.106.240.211&no=&seite=51 Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of G. Crona Sent: 26 August 2009 12:19 To: Lute mailing list Subject: [LUTE] Re: Ein Newgeordent Kuenstlich Lautenbuch Where you'll also find: Denss Waissel Ochsenkuhn Bakfark + guitar & continuo stuff - Original Message - From: "Karl-L. Eggert" To: "Lute mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:03 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: [english 100%] Re: Hans NeusiedleRe: Ein Newgeordent Kuenstlich Lautenbuch > Hi all, > there are also manuscripts digitalized. Go to "Suche" > [1]http://www.digitale-sammlungen.de/index.html?c=suchen&l=de > and enter the Stichwort: Mus.ms > you'll get a list of all ms. Click at any to see the pics. > Karl > - Original Message - > From: "David van Ooijen" <[2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> > To: <[3]l...@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:40 AM > Subject: [english 100%] [LUTE] Re: Hans NeusiedleRe: Ein Newgeordent > Kuenstlich Lautenbuch > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Matteo > > Turri<[4]matteo.o.tu...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> The Bavarian State Library provides a number of digitizations of > sheet > >> music > > > > Great resource. Pity the mss are not available. Anybody know if this > > is planned, too? > > > > David To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Edward Martin/who nose?
Dear Göran, I'm very sorry, but I cannot offer very much help. I read it at the British Library when I was preparing my Ph:D dissertation, in a quite rare nineteenth-century edition. However, there seems to be a facsimile edition of 2001. Have a look at: http://books.google.com.mx/books?id=5QLnuXWZlJgC&pg=PT87&lpg=PT87&dq=mil%C3%A1n+%22El+cortesano%22&source=bl&ots=5TTr5L2wYj&sig=0VWUJAyGCu3H1fyv3aFExBOcmLs&hl=es&ei=3gacSoP6N9LjlAfer92_DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false Best wishes, Antonio - Original Message From: G. Crona To: Antonio Corona Sent: Monday, 31 August, 2009 10:19:00 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Edward Martin/who nose? Antonio! I've been looking for that book for ages. You have read it. Any idea of where I could get hold of the txt? Best Göran - Original Message - From: "Antonio Corona" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 3:09 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Edward Martin/who nose? - Original Message From: "dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us" To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, 28 August, 2009 16:17:39 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Edward Martin/who nose? On Fri, Aug 28, 2009, Antonio Corona said: AC> At any rate, we cannote provide a reasonable hypothesis for > certain facts of performance pratice by summoning the whims of a priest. Dana: Not even a prince of a priest? It is such men who have the means to hire lutenists for such occaisions, so that is not an unreasonable circumstance. I do not speak of a common practice, but an aberation; yet, you must admit that the vagaries of heart-rate will have an affect on the players choice of tactus rate, this is true even today in modern orchestral performance; an excited conductor may well take some passages faster in performance than in rehearsal. Not even of a prince or priest. Milan was not a lutenist for hire: as far as we can tell from his autobiographical book he was an aristocratic amateur. And, while the heart rate may well affect a players' performance, we are not discussing how fast an excited vihuelist might have played, but a specific instruction by the author. >> In this particular case, I would be hard pressed to explain how >> slow pavans with the structure of a galliard could be played >> somewhat fast in general usage. Dana: At least half again as many notes makes for faster seeming music; especially contrasted against the Dancers gravitas. I spoke of the speed of the dance, not the music (save for the tenor, or the implied tenor). I beg your pardon. I was under the impression that we were discussing Milan's piece. Dana: As yesterday, and before that, and tomorrow and after that; I have not and cannot bring that music before my eyes tho I wish I could; nor does it lie in my head so I cannot speak more directly to your point. You can consult the facsimile at: http://bibliotecadigitalhispanica.bne.es/R/VF4NGVRAE4GN5CIQXCF7EBM5DNRXF6CN2GFGG7M9Y6UCN92U5T-02151?func=results-jump-full&set_entry=12 Dana: I thank you for your translation, my spanish comes largely from my singing and is at best un poquito. Please recall that my first thought was of a pavan in triple, that it could be a galliarde was conjecture on my part. Wouldnt be the first time a publisher messed up the intentions of an author and the author didnt catch it from proofs, if indeed he was given proofs in a timely fashion. While both the press and LdM shared residence in Valencia, the book is dedicated to the King of Portugal, a healthy journey across the center of Spain. It is possible that LdM was seeking a position at the court and may have been traveling during the production work on the book (more conjecture). There is no messing up of the author's intentions, as the Milan rubrics I quoted before show. Milan was not looking for any position at the Portuguese court, he was already part of that of Germaine de Foix, and not as a vihuelist, but as an appreciated member, as his book of 1561 (quite some time after the publication of el Maestro), also published at Valencia, and dedicated to King Philip II, shows. We cannot build up knowledge just from conjeture. > Furthermore, the rubric to the sixth pavan states: "This pavan has the > proportion of three semibreves [each] bar Dana: and there you have it for certs, a pavan in tripla. Hemiola is a feature of things in three, but not all that features hemiola is a galliard; there are also tourdion, volta, and canario. No tourdions in Spanish sources, neither voltas (a bit late for the time when El Maestro was published, besides), while the Spanish canario is a seventeenth- and eighteenth-century dance. Best wishes, Antonio To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu
[LUTE] Milan Pavan
A recent thread discussed Milan's Pavan no. 6 from El Maestro, along with a performance by a member here. I missed what site that performance is on. Can someone direct me to it? Thanks, Ned __ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
