[LUTE] Re: Weiss Baroque Lute Comparison
Very interesting experiment, Danny. I saw many make comments on You Tube, but as I do not have an account, I could not comment there. Nice playing, and I enjoyed both interpretations. Well done! I must have different tastes from what others posted, because I actually prefer the 11 course version. IMHO, the more subtle sound of the gut stringing makes the difference. I actually hear more clarity with gut, especially in the basses. Yes, it is not as big of a sound as the 13-course lute, but if the 2 lutes were strung similarly, one could get more of a sense of comparison. ed At 04:07 PM 12/30/2009, Daniel Shoskes wrote: >I recently did a video comparison of the D Major Reusner Passacaglia >between my 11 and 13 course lutes, but having been recorded a few >months apart, it wasn't really a fair competition. Here now is a direct >comparison filmed consecutively with the same equipment, the same >distance from the same mic and the same processing by way of a Weiss C >Major Prelude: > >[1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiEVEVkAT1I > >11 course lute: Tomlinson, gut strung (Sofracob trebles, gimped Larson >basses), a 392 > >13 course lute: Rutherford, strung in nylon/nylgut/thick core copper >wound basses/KF octaves, a 415 > >Danny > >-- > >References > >1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiEVEVkAT1I > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871&ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute
[LUTE] Re: Finale tab question
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Suzanne and Wayne wrote: > One more immediate question for you though. It seems as though the > rhythm notation above the tablature lines is "hard coded" in some ways. I > don't find a way to move it up or down, for example, which would be a nice > thing to do if moving the tab symbols up to *between* the lines. But, more > importantly, I have a real rhythm problem with these symbols. I'm using .. > So is there a way to say "show the note heads" in the tablature rhythm? Short, as I'm on my way to leave for a few days. I make the rhythm staff a separate staff and don't use Finale's tab-rhythm feature (is it a bug or a feature?). Here's what I do: Add a staff above the tab-staff. Make Staff style that hides everything but the notes and the time signature. Apply that staff style to this staff. (Save the Staff style in a library for future use). See my Sheet Music page for a few examples in various states of development, I cannot seem to make my mind up about the details or (Suzanne only) see attached file. In the final page layout I set the rhythm staff to 70% and the tab staff to 120%, and I choose a bold italic font for the tab glyphs. In the rhythm staff, hide the notes you want to hide by using the 'o' function in speedy note entry. I'm sure there's things I'm forgetting here, but it's time to go. good luck, have a great end-of-year party and ask me more in three days time David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Finale tab question
Gail Gillispie was the expert with tab in Finale. That was years ago that she helped me with it. I mad one piece with it but was not sufficiently masochistic to keep using Finale though. On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Jelma van Amersfoort wrote: Are there any users of Finale for Renaissance lute tablature out there that could give me some pointers about how to get diapasons? Haven't made much progress with the Help feature. I can define the instrument as having 10 courses, but can't see how to write notes on the strings numbered higher than 6. And it would be nice if they could look like ///a. Does this require a specialized font somebody has? Any help appreciated. Replies off list are good. Thanks. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [1]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp [2]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 2. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Finale tab question
David, Thanks for this help! I haven't had much time to work on it today, but did try some of these things and it seems they will work. I couldn't view your file however, as I'm still on 2008 and your file must be newer. That's ok. I upgraded to 2008 when I got a new computer to get the tablature feature. But then considering its state of completion for lute, and the lack of improvement in the last 2 releases, I haven't bothered spending the money to upgrade. One more immediate question for you though. It seems as though the rhythm notation above the tablature lines is "hard coded" in some ways. I don't find a way to move it up or down, for example, which would be a nice thing to do if moving the tab symbols up to *between* the lines. But, more importantly, I have a real rhythm problem with these symbols. I'm using Finale rather than Fronimo because I'm doing a version of a recorder sonata for which I wrote a continuo part for myself on 10 course lute in A. And the better standard notation and page layout are desirable. But the movement I started working on tonight is in 3/2. The others staves say 3/2, and I could enter 6 "quarter" note values into the first measure. The rhythm signs were 6 "sticks". But then in a measure with 2 half notes and 2 quarter notes, I get 4 sticks! It thinks that is the correct amount for that measure, as the cursor advanced to the next measure. But *visually* you can't tell the difference between half notes and quarter notes. They must all be implemented as regular notes without note heads. So is there a way to say "show the note heads" in the tablature rhythm? Or some other trick for using 3/2 time with half and quarter notes? Thanks for your help and ideas. Suzanne -- Original message from David van Ooijen : -- > Dear Suzanne > > Finale is great software for staff notation and page layout. Lute tab > is a a bit of bother, though, but I use it anyway. There are several > approaches to notating tab for more than 6 courses. Over the years > I've changed between a number of these. Some people use (make, even) > nice fonts, I try to live with what Finale offers. Find attached file > containing some of the things I describe below. > > 1) Set the tab for the desired number of courses: > Staff Tool > Staff Attributes > Notation Style > Tablature > Select > > Edit Instrument > Then, in Staff Tool > Staff Attributes > Staff > Other > Staff Setup > > Set Staff Lines at 6 (and set Top repeat dot at -3 and bottom repeat > dot at -7) > Enter your music in your usual way. > Make a set of Articulations (or use the ones from the Tablature > Libraries) for /, // and /// or for /a, //a, ///a. (I prefer to draw > these articulations, as the spacing of two or three forward slashes is > too wide). > Attach these manually to the low basses. > This will not look good, as the glyphs on courses 8 to 10 are placed to low. > To fix this, either move them manually to the right position, or > change the note head to an invisible one (Special Tool > Note Shape > Tool > Click a measure > Select a note > Select Symbol (choose an > empty shape, e.g. nr 1). I'm sure this process can be automated. > > 2) Set tablature for an 8-course lute, display only six lines (see > above). Enter (or change) notes on courses 8 to 10 as if they were all > glyph a (or b if so desired) on course 8. Then attach articulations /, > // or /// as desired. You can place the articulations automatically at > a desired distance from the note head (Articulation Tool > Edit > > Articulation Designer > Positioning). Take your time once to figure > out what looks best, then copy these values for all like > articulations). This way you don't have to replace note heads by > invisible ones, and also setting articulations with automated distance > goes really fast, but the notes on screen and are no longer > representing the real pitches within the file. If you like to use > playback, you might want to make two separate files. > > There are many more ways. Most need time to set up, but once done, you > can save all in a template and forget all about how you made it in the > first place. > > Good luck and don't hesitate to ask if the above is unclear, > > David > > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 4:28 AM, Suzanne and Wayne wrote: > > Are there any users of Finale for Renaissance lute tablature out there > > that could give me some pointers about how to get diapasons? Haven't > > made much progress with the Help feature. I can define the
[LUTE] Weiss Baroque Lute Comparison
I recently did a video comparison of the D Major Reusner Passacaglia between my 11 and 13 course lutes, but having been recorded a few months apart, it wasn't really a fair competition. Here now is a direct comparison filmed consecutively with the same equipment, the same distance from the same mic and the same processing by way of a Weiss C Major Prelude: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiEVEVkAT1I 11 course lute: Tomlinson, gut strung (Sofracob trebles, gimped Larson basses), a 392 13 course lute: Rutherford, strung in nylon/nylgut/thick core copper wound basses/KF octaves, a 415 Danny -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiEVEVkAT1I To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Baroque Lute Coming up for Sale
All, Until last night, there was a gut strung, left-handed Larry K. Brown 8C ren lute for sale on eBay with a buy-it-now of $500. Someone in Switzerland got it. I've been in correspondence with the seller in Wisconsin, who apparently does not participate in the list. He'll be offering another left-handed lute for sale in the very near future. Here's what he had to say about it in a note I received this morning: I am going to be selling another Larry Brown lute very soon. If you know anybody that plays left-handed and is interested, have them contact me at: [1]wmbauma...@live.com and I will send pictures and information on the instrument. It is a 13 course Baroque lute with a Rosewood back and maple spacers. The neck is made out of strips of wood consisting of ebony and Maple. It does however have a crack in the sound board going through the middle. I believe the crack is where the two pieces of wood come together. It does however play quite well I even thought that the crack opened up the sound just a bit. That's all I know. I have no interest in it, but some of you folks may know of someone looking. I had suggested he consider Wayne's list, but he didn't seem interested. Happy New Year to All, Steve -- References 1. mailto:wmbauma...@live.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Baroque Lute Coming up for Sale
All, Until last night, there was a gut strung, left-handed Larry K. Brown 8C ren lute for sale on eBay with a buy-it-now of $500. Someone in Switzerland got it. I've been in correspondence with the seller in Wisconsin, who apparently does not participate in the list. He'll be offering another left-handed lute for sale in the very near future. Here's what he had to say about it in a note I received this morning: I am going to be selling another Larry Brown lute very soon. If you know anybody that plays left-handed and is interested, have them contact me at: [1]wmbauma...@live.com and I will send pictures and information on the instrument. It is a 13 course Baroque lute with a Rosewood back and maple spacers. The neck is made out of strips of wood consisting of ebony and Maple. It does however have a crack in the sound board going through the middle. I believe the crack is where the two pieces of wood come together. It does however play quite well I even thought that the crack opened up the sound just a bit. That's all I know. I have no interest in it, but some of you folks may know of someone looking. I had suggested he consider Wayne's list, but he didn't seem interested. Happy New Year to All, Steve -- References 1. mailto:wmbauma...@live.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Finale tab question
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 1:06 PM, G. D. Rossi wrote: > Well, one very simple way to do it - if you don't need playback to check - > is to enter the ledger lines, letters, and/or numbers as text. If you do > this in Scroll View, they will stay locked in position to the staff. If you > do it in Page View, they lock to the page position, so take note of that. Wow, thanks Doc, I tried it and it works very well! And me doing it the difficult way all that time ... David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Finale tab question
Dag Jelma (leer ze continuo spelen, dat is beter voor iedereen, ook voor jou :-) et al. What Doc wrote seems like a simple, quick way. This is what I wrote to Suzanne off-list, it looks like the opposite. The attachement is not included as the list does not allow it. Finale is great software for staff notation and page layout. Lute tab is a a bit of bother, though, but I use it anyway. There are several approaches to notating tab for more than 6 courses. Over the years I've changed between a number of these. Some people use (make, even) nice fonts, I try to live with what Finale offers. Find attached file containing some of the things I describe below. 1) Set the tab for the desired number of courses: Staff Tool > Staff Attributes > Notation Style > Tablature > Select > Edit Instrument Then, in Staff Tool > Staff Attributes > Staff > Other > Staff Setup > Set Staff Lines at 6 (and set Top repeat dot at -3 and bottom repeat dot at -7) Enter your music in your usual way. Make a set of Articulations (or use the ones from the Tablature Libraries) for /, // and /// or for /a, //a, ///a. (I prefer to draw these articulations, as the spacing of two or three forward slashes is too wide). Attach these manually to the low basses. This will not look good, as the glyphs on courses 8 to 10 are placed to low. To fix this, either move them manually to the right position, or change the note head to an invisible one (Special Tool > Note Shape Tool > Click a measure > Select a note > Select Symbol (choose an empty shape, e.g. nr 1). I'm sure this process can be automated. 2) Set tablature for an 8-course lute, display only six lines (see above). Enter (or change) notes on courses 8 to 10 as if they were all glyph a (or b if so desired) on course 8. Then attach articulations /, // or /// as desired. You can place the articulations automatically at a desired distance from the note head (Articulation Tool > Edit > Articulation Designer > Positioning). Take your time once to figure out what looks best, then copy these values for all like articulations). This way you don't have to replace note heads by invisible ones, and also setting articulations with automated distance goes really fast, but the notes on screen and are no longer representing the real pitches within the file. If you like to use playback, you might want to make two separate files. There are many more ways. Most need time to set up, but once done, you can save all in a template and forget all about how you made it in the first place. Good luck and don't hesitate to ask if the above is unclear, David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Finale tab question
Well, one very simple way to do it - if you don't need playback to check - is to enter the ledger lines, letters, and/or numbers as text. If you do this in Scroll View, they will stay locked in position to the staff. If you do it in Page View, they lock to the page position, so take note of that. Doc On Dec 30, 2009, at 12:56 PM, Hilbert Jörg wrote: I'd be interested too in how to do this Me too. Jörg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Finale tab question
> I'd be interested too in how to do this Me too. Jörg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Finale tab question
Dear all, I'd be interested too in how to do this. I have a lot of baroque opera editing ahead and need to create basic lute parts for lute amateurs. So maybe reply to the list? Thanks, Jelma van Amersfoort On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 4:28 AM, Suzanne and Wayne wrote: > Are there any users of Finale for Renaissance lute tablature out there > that could give me some pointers about how to get diapasons? Haven't > made much progress with the Help feature. I can define the instrument > as having 10 courses, but can't see how to write notes on the strings > numbered higher than 6. And it would be nice if they could look like > ///a. Does this require a specialized font somebody has? Any help > appreciated. Replies off list are good. Thanks. > > Suzanne > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[LUTE] [OT] [Re: Little Lines
The proper name for the mark signifying an abbreviation of this kind is a tilde. Are you sure? The concept of a tilde ~ seems to imply a curved form, whereas the abbreviation sign is often straight. Well, perhaps they were too lazy too curve around ;-) B To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Little Lines
Dear Stewart, When it is used for an n, as it is most frequent in Spanish, it is called a nunnation sign (i.e. the sign that indicates the addition of a final n). With all my best wishes , Antonio - Original Message From: Stewart McCoy To: Lute Net Sent: Tue, 29 December, 2009 14:03:59 Subject: [LUTE] Little Lines Dear All, A friend of mine has asked me this question: When a seventeenth-century copyist abbreviated a word and indicated it by writing a line over the last letter, rather than a dot after it (e.g. Preludiu for Preludium), is there a proper term to refer to that line? I don't now the answer. Can anyone help? Stewart McCoy. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
