[LUTE] Bream Collection... I just noticed
Hi Gang, I just noticed that all the jackets of these CDs are mini reproductions of the original LP covers including the notes on the back. What an amazing collection and a truly amazing player. Allan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
Hi gong, I am too young to understand how important he was once upon a time, and his recordings do not fit into what I like to hear, say Hopkinson Smith and alumni. But then, we will all fade away over time... Ernesto Ett 11-99 242120 4 11-28376692 Em 06.12.2013, às 12:19, Allan Alexander guitarandl...@earthlink.net escreveu: Hi Gang, I just noticed that all the jackets of these CDs are mini reproductions of the original LP covers including the notes on the back. What an amazing collection and a truly amazing player. Allan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
On 06/12/13 11:20 AM, erne...@aquila.mus.br wrote: I am too young to understand how important he was once upon a time, and his recordings do not fit into what I like to hear, say Hopkinson Smith and alumni. For a whole generation of lutenists, the first person we ever heard play the lute was Julian Bream, so he has a very special place in all our hearts. I've had several of the current generation of historically informed lutenists confess privately that they still love Bream's recordings. I feel the same way about Wanda Landowska and the harpsichord. Even if the Pleyel harpsichords she used were well on their way to evolving into the piano, her musicianship shines through. Even Glenn Gould has his place, though what he played was neither harpsichord nor piano. Geoff -- Geoff Gaherty Foxmead Observatory Coldwater, Ontario, Canada http://www.gaherty.ca http://starrynightskyevents.blogspot.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
On Dec 6, 2013, at 8:20 AM, erne...@aquila.mus.br wrote: his recordings do not fit into what I like to hear, say Hopkinson Smith and alumni. If you can direct me to Hopkinson Smith and Alumni play Britten and Villa-Lobos, I'd love to hear it. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection
On Dec 6, 2013, at 10:06 AM, Geoff Gaherty ge...@gaherty.ca wrote: I feel the same way about Wanda Landowska and the harpsichord. Even if the Pleyel harpsichords she used were well on their way to evolving into the piano The harpsichord had evolved into the piano a century or two earlier. The Landowska harpsichord was more like the modern metal-frame piano trying to re-evolve back into the harpsichord. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
. . . And The Julian Bream Consort's Fantasies Ayres and Dances, I believe originally released in 1988 on RCA, was just plain good . . . although I'm also biased by a bit of starry-eyed nostalgia when it comes to Bream. Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of howard posner Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:20 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed On Dec 6, 2013, at 8:20 AM, erne...@aquila.mus.br wrote: his recordings do not fit into what I like to hear, say Hopkinson Smith and alumni. If you can direct me to Hopkinson Smith and Alumni play Britten and Villa-Lobos, I'd love to hear it. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
Those of us who are members of the (British) Lute Society will have read Tony Bailes' delightful tribute to Bream. It's great to know that one of our finest HIP lutenists still enjoys listening to his collection of Bream's recordings. Bill [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android __ From: Braig, Eugene brai...@osu.edu; To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed Sent: Fri, Dec 6, 2013 7:17:18 PM . . . And The Julian Bream Consort's Fantasies Ayres and Dances, I believe originally released in 1988 on RCA, was just plain good . . . although I'm also biased by a bit of starry-eyed nostalgia when it comes to Bream. Eugene -Original Message- From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of howard posner Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:20 PM To: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed On Dec 6, 2013, at 8:20 AM, [5]erne...@aquila.mus.br wrote: his recordings do not fit into what I like to hear, say Hopkinson Smith and alumni. If you can direct me to Hopkinson Smith and Alumni play Britten and Villa-Lobos, I'd love to hear it. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android 2. javascript:return 3. javascript:return 4. javascript:return 5. javascript:return 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
This is a lute-talk, correct? I did not know Britten and Villa-Lobos composed for the lute, they are certainly not known for it. I know Bream played the lute, but his complete works collection is not too meaningfull for the lute today besides the historical (meaning the 1900-2000 period) rediscovery he helped forward. Generally speaking, we want to get more guitarists into the lute, not the other way around, isn't it? Ernesto Ett 11-99 242120 4 11-28376692 Em 06.12.2013, às 16:19, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com escreveu: On Dec 6, 2013, at 8:20 AM, erne...@aquila.mus.br wrote: his recordings do not fit into what I like to hear, say Hopkinson Smith and alumni. If you can direct me to Hopkinson Smith and Alumni play Britten and Villa-Lobos, I'd love to hear it. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
This helps me understand your feelings and reactions... I feel the same about Leonhart, Hantai and Hopki. It is quite difficult for me to hear Landowska, Gould or Bream for the music itself. Ernesto Ett 11-99 242120 4 11-28376692 Em 06.12.2013, às 16:06, Geoff Gaherty ge...@gaherty.ca escreveu: On 06/12/13 11:20 AM, erne...@aquila.mus.br wrote: I am too young to understand how important he was once upon a time, and his recordings do not fit into what I like to hear, say Hopkinson Smith and alumni. For a whole generation of lutenists, the first person we ever heard play the lute was Julian Bream, so he has a very special place in all our hearts. I've had several of the current generation of historically informed lutenists confess privately that they still love Bream's recordings. I feel the same way about Wanda Landowska and the harpsichord. Even if the Pleyel harpsichords she used were well on their way to evolving into the piano, her musicianship shines through. Even Glenn Gould has his place, though what he played was neither harpsichord nor piano. Geoff -- Geoff Gaherty Foxmead Observatory Coldwater, Ontario, Canada http://www.gaherty.ca http://starrynightskyevents.blogspot.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
Howard, Come over to my place sometime (I will NEVER perform this in public!) and I will play the Villa-Lobos Etude No. 1 on my 8 course. I can do it w/ 3rd course at a or b-flat. Kick ass workout for thumb-index technique; either thumb inside or out. And I have had a few master classes with Hoppy. (but we did not work on the Villa-Lobos). Some of the other etudes, as well as some of the preludes, are also do-able. Great way to shake things up a little, break the old routines now then. Dan On 12/6/2013 10:19 AM, howard posner wrote: On Dec 6, 2013, at 8:20 AM, erne...@aquila.mus.br wrote: his recordings do not fit into what I like to hear, say Hopkinson Smith and alumni. If you can direct me to Hopkinson Smith and Alumni play Britten and Villa-Lobos, I'd love to hear it. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
I don't think I would dare to be so prescriptive of the musical activities of anybody who doesn't happen to be me. Eugene -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of erne...@aquila.mus.br Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 2:35 PM To: howard posner Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed This is a lute-talk, correct? I did not know Britten and Villa-Lobos composed for the lute, they are certainly not known for it. I know Bream played the lute, but his complete works collection is not too meaningfull for the lute today besides the historical (meaning the 1900-2000 period) rediscovery he helped forward. Generally speaking, we want to get more guitarists into the lute, not the other way around, isn't it? Ernesto Ett 11-99 242120 4 11-28376692 Em 06.12.2013, às 16:19, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com escreveu: On Dec 6, 2013, at 8:20 AM, erne...@aquila.mus.br wrote: his recordings do not fit into what I like to hear, say Hopkinson Smith and alumni. If you can direct me to Hopkinson Smith and Alumni play Britten and Villa-Lobos, I'd love to hear it. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
On 06/12/13 2:43 PM, Braig, Eugene wrote: I don't think I would dare to be so prescriptive of the musical activities of anybody who doesn't happen to be me. I remember fondly a lecture by the late Howard Mayer Brown in which he planted his tongue firmly in his cheek and speculated on whether the Chicago Symphony should _allowed_ to play Beethoven! Geoff -- Geoff Gaherty Foxmead Observatory Coldwater, Ontario, Canada http://www.gaherty.ca http://starrynightskyevents.blogspot.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
I have to admit to not understanding the idea that the purpose of the list or of lutenists should be to try to force people's direction one way or the other. If someone is interested in guitar, or even interested in hearing guitar music on lute, great...but is there something wrong with wanting to hear guitar music on lute? In period, there wasn't so much difference between the vihuela da mano, the lute and the guitar, even as all three instruments changed throughout the period. (In fact, an argument can be made that the musicians of the time sometimes felt that there was no significant difference, just as the wind players often considered it possible, necessary and desirable for a player of the recorder, flute or oboe to be equally familiar and equally facile on all three.) For that matter, some didn't find significant difference between the lute and viol (or other such combinations). Where does this orthodoxy that says that Villa Lobos or Brittain doesn't belong on lute...or that neither of them (or by extension, their contemporaries) even considered it? It is easy to find (and it has been linked here before) a video of Bream, himself, introducing Dmitry Shostakovitch to the lute (under rather rough conditions). Had he done so earlier (like half-a-century) we might well have compositions for the instrument. Or not. It's not for me to say. When I majored in Bassoon, we were encouraged to find exercises in the virtuoso repertoir for other instruments, including the cello, as well as writing our own. Musicianship involves experience, observation, experimentation, and synthesis: how can you know what to throw out and what to keep if you don't even know how you feel about it (other than regurgitated orthodoxy which may be utterly inappropriate!) As for Bream, he knew exactly what he was and wasn't. And he knew how to use it to bring joy in music to a very large crowd as well as very small ones. To do this, he made choices, some of which have been condemned by purists (many of whom have changed their minds as well!) May we all be so successful in making good music, in making music good. Ray Brohinsky On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 2:35 PM, [1]erne...@aquila.mus.br [2]erne...@aquila.mus.br wrote: This is a lute-talk, correct? I did not know Britten and Villa-Lobos composed for the lute, they are certainly not known for it. I know Bream played the lute, but his complete works collection is not too meaningfull for the lute today besides the historical (meaning the 1900-2000 period) rediscovery he helped forward. Generally speaking, we want to get more guitarists into the lute, not the other way around, isn't it? Ernesto Ett 11-99 242120 4 11-28376692 Em 06.12.2013, `as 16:19, howard posner [3]howardpos...@ca.rr.com escreveu: On Dec 6, 2013, at 8:20 AM, [4]erne...@aquila.mus.br wrote: his recordings do not fit into what I like to hear, say Hopkinson Smith and alumni. If you can direct me to Hopkinson Smith and Alumni play Britten and Villa-Lobos, I'd love to hear it. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:erne...@aquila.mus.br 2. mailto:erne...@aquila.mus.br 3. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 4. mailto:erne...@aquila.mus.br 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:52 PM, William Brohinsky tiorbin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to admit to not understanding the idea that the purpose of the list or of lutenists should be to try to force people's direction one way or the other. I don't think anyone has actually expressed that idea. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
I did not know Britten and Villa-Lobos composed for the lute, Britten wrote a lute song for Peter Pears and Julian Bream. It was for Orianna. Bream decided to play it on guitar, however. I've played it on lute in a concert with Tom Sol (bas) in a programme of opera arias for lute. We also did the Wagner lute song from Der Meistersinger, that was fun! David -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
Ernesto said: Generally speaking, we want to get more guitarists into the lute, not the other way around, isn't it? yes, someone expressed that idea. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 4:09 PM, howard posner [1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:52 PM, William Brohinsky [2]tiorbin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to admit to not understanding the idea that the purpose of the list or of lutenists should be to try to force people's direction one way or the other. I don't think anyone has actually expressed that idea. -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com 2. mailto:tiorbin...@gmail.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
I think you're veering a bit far from the definition of force, but OK. On Dec 6, 2013, at 2:00 PM, William Brohinsky tiorbin...@gmail.com wrote: Ernesto said: Generally speaking, we want to get more guitarists into the lute, not the other way around, isn't it? yes, someone expressed that idea. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 4:09 PM, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:52 PM, William Brohinsky tiorbin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to admit to not understanding the idea that the purpose of the list or of lutenists should be to try to force people's direction one way or the other. I don't think anyone has actually expressed that idea. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
My most recent lute student originally came to me for lessons on how to play lute music in his beautiful Taylor steel-string guitar. Fine with me, I have a 7 string, steel string guitar on which I rarely play anything but lute music (a cheap Orpharion substitute). However, he fell so in love with the lute that he now has one being built and plays a rental in the meantime. We had exactly two lessons just on guitars. Hell, he forced me to switch over from teaching him lute music on guitar to just plain old lute lessons on lute. Brohinsky nailed it all rather well. Scheidler, the last documented professional lute player, played the emerging classical guitar as well as the obsolescing Baroque lute and bassoon. Had to make a living. So do a lot of us, still. I believe it was Willy Nelson who once said It's all one song- (or maybe it's the way he sings- :-) ) Dan On 12/6/2013 2:05 PM, howard posner wrote: I think you're veering a bit far from the definition of force, but OK. On Dec 6, 2013, at 2:00 PM, William Brohinsky tiorbin...@gmail.com wrote: Ernesto said: Generally speaking, we want to get more guitarists into the lute, not the other way around, isn't it? yes, someone expressed that idea. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 4:09 PM, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:52 PM, William Brohinsky tiorbin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to admit to not understanding the idea that the purpose of the list or of lutenists should be to try to force people's direction one way or the other. I don't think anyone has actually expressed that idea. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Christmas carols on lute
Some of you will have heard from me on this topic in previous Decembers, so this note is aimed at anyone who is new to the list. I have some leftover copies of the LSA Quarterly (November 2004) which has 4)+ pages of standard Christmas carols in lute tablature. If you would like a copy of this email me with a street address and I will mail you a copy. Nancy -- Nancy Carlin Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org PO Box 6499 Concord, CA 94524 USA 925 / 686-5800 www.groundsanddivisions.info www.nancycarlinassociates.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bream Collection... I just noticed
There is much to learn about lute songs in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=ZzMRwBIzLJA Just a passing comment... Alain On 12/06/2013 02:23 PM, Dan Winheld wrote: My most recent lute student originally came to me for lessons on how to play lute music in his beautiful Taylor steel-string guitar. Fine with me, I have a 7 string, steel string guitar on which I rarely play anything but lute music (a cheap Orpharion substitute). However, he fell so in love with the lute that he now has one being built and plays a rental in the meantime. We had exactly two lessons just on guitars. Hell, he forced me to switch over from teaching him lute music on guitar to just plain old lute lessons on lute. Brohinsky nailed it all rather well. Scheidler, the last documented professional lute player, played the emerging classical guitar as well as the obsolescing Baroque lute and bassoon. Had to make a living. So do a lot of us, still. I believe it was Willy Nelson who once said It's all one song- (or maybe it's the way he sings- :-) ) Dan On 12/6/2013 2:05 PM, howard posner wrote: I think you're veering a bit far from the definition of force, but OK. On Dec 6, 2013, at 2:00 PM, William Brohinsky tiorbin...@gmail.com wrote: Ernesto said: Generally speaking, we want to get more guitarists into the lute, not the other way around, isn't it? yes, someone expressed that idea. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 4:09 PM, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:52 PM, William Brohinsky tiorbin...@gmail.com wrote: I have to admit to not understanding the idea that the purpose of the list or of lutenists should be to try to force people's direction one way or the other. I don't think anyone has actually expressed that idea. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Polish lute pieces
Iâve received a bunch of Polish songs from a singer and wonder if there are any online tab versions available for any of these. Iâve chased down a few midi files, but turning them into tab could be quite time consuming. Już siÄ zmierzcha - WacÅaw z SzamotuÅ.pdf AllelujaChwalciePana(1)(Szamotulczyk).pdf DobrotliwoscPanska(Bazylik).pdf GdyZOkrutnej(Gomolka).pdf JesliDomu(Gomolka).pdf Już siÄ zmierzcha - WacÅaw z SzamotuÅ.pdf KrysteDniuNaszejSwiatlosci(1)(Szamotulczyk).pdf Modlitwa(1)(Szamotulczyk).pdf MojWiekuistyPasterz(Gomolka).pdf NiescieChwale(Gomolka).pdf RadToSlysze(Gomolka).pdf RzeklPan(Gomolka).pdf SiedzacPoNiskichBrzegach(Gomolka).pdf TobieNiesmiertelnyPanie(Gomolka).pdf TIA Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
