[LUTE] Re: Lute Bridge vs Guitar Bridge Functioning
Indeed, I believe the 'log' (supposed to be the very first solid body electric guitar) was simply a piece of wood with frets on it and a pick-up. Very little energy was therefore transmitted to the body of the instrument. Thus much sustain but, of course, hardly audible without electronic amplification. The essential difference between the lute/guitar etc and end string fastening instruments, such as the violin, banjo, piano etc, is how the vibration of the string is transmitted to the belly and soundbox and thus amplified: for the former it is mostly through a rocking action of the bridge (tho' with a degree of pumping action); for the latter it is mostly pumping (tho' with some instruments with high bridges, such as violins/viols, also a significant element of rocking motion if the bridge is well fitted). MH __ From: wayne cripps To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014, 16:34 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Bridge vs Guitar Bridge Functioning This is a bit rough, and from memory, but Benade in "Fundamentals of Musical Acoustics" talks about what he calls the "impedance" of strings and soundboards and bridges. He likens it to light going through a glass window - some of the light goes through and some is reflected, depending on the relative characteristics of the glass and air. In the same way, the sound wave that is traveling down a string can be reflected back to the string causing the sound to sustain, or can go the bridge and top of the instrument and make a sound. Just how much is reflected versus transmitted to the top depends on the relationship in "impedance" between the string and bridge. A light bridge and top, like in a banjo, means more of the sound goes from the string to the top, in a quick loud burst. A heavier bridge and top, like the brass bridge that people used to put on electric guitars, causes the more of the sound wave to reflect back to the string, and causes more sustain and less volume. Presumable on the banjo the pressure from the tailpiece also changes the relative impedance ratio. The same impedance match takes place between the top of the instrument and the air. Wayne Begin forwarded message: > From: Martyn Hodgson <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Bridge vs Guitar Bridge Functioning > Date: August 1, 2014 at 2:29:35 AM EDT > To: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu" <[2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>, Bruno Correia <[3]bruno.l...@gmail.com> > Reply-To: Martyn Hodgson <[4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> > > In fact both lute and guitar bridges function in the same way. In > short, a horizontal force (imposed by the string) is momentarily > increased when the string is displaced (plucked); this in turn > increases the turning moment of the bridge (ie force x height of string > above belly at take-off point) which in turn causes the belly to > vibrate with mostly a wave action (tho' some vertical pumping action > too) and thus amplifying the sound by varying the air pressure within > the soundbox. Whether the vibrating string leads from a loop (lute) or > from over a saddle (later guitars) is immaterial - it is the height of > the string at take-off which is relevant. Vibration patterns have, in > fact, been studied: eg the Galpin Society Journal (Hellwig I recall) > which contains relevant papers. > Differences in timbre between instruments may well be due to many other > factors rather than the way the physics of the bridge works, including: > mass of bridge (size and density), surface area of base of bridge, > stiffness of bridge, barring, internal shape of soundbox and its > volume, etc. > An illustrative example: many years ago I made a 5 course guitar after > Sellas and fitted an ebony bridge (thinking the original had one). The > sound was quiet and muffled (tho' with considerable sustain). I had a > rethink and after further investigation decided to remove it and fit a > fruitwood (actually pear) black stained bridge to precisely the same > design: the resulting sound was considerably freer and increased the > output ie volume. In fact the much greater mass of the ebony bridge was > acting as a considerable dampener requiring more of the vibrational > energy of the string to set it in motion than that of the fruitwood > bridge which had a mass less than half that of the ebony. On the other > hand, the ebony bridge's greater mass meant that it had more inertia > and thus continued to oscillate for longer than the fruitwood bridge - > thus giving the greater (if much quieter) sustain. > MH > PS Incidentally, drilling the string holes low down on a modern guitar
[LUTE] Fronimo overworked Lute Intavbulations with better layouts -4
hi, here is the list of new and in Fronimo corrected, overworked Lute Intavolations with better layouts on IMSLP! Tomkins, Thomas Remember me, O Lord (4lutes Unisono) x http://imslp.org/wiki/Remember_me,_O_Lord_(Tomkins,_Thomas) East, Michael Dear, Why Do You Joy2 Sopranos & Lute http://imslp.org/wiki/Dear,_Why_Do_You_Joy?_(East,_Michael) Croatti, Francesco Duo seraphim http://imslp.org/wiki/Duo_seraphim_(Croatti,_Francesco) Anonymous Verdure le bois (2) x http://imslp.org/wiki/Verdure_le_bois_(Anonymous) Bull, John In Nomine a5 http://imslp.org/wiki/In_Nomine_à_5_(Bull,_John) Guerini, Pietro Francesco Baciai per aver vita2 Sopranos & 2 Lutes http://imslp.org/wiki/Baciai_per_aver_vita_(Guerini,_Pietro_Francesco)#IMSLP280541 Gagliano, Marco da Aura in tanto lasciva 2 Sopranos & 2 Lutes http://imslp.org/wiki/Su_la_sponda_del_Tebro_humida_(Gagliano,_Marco_da) (lute parts only) Caurroy, Eustache duFantasie 21 x http://imslp.org/wiki/Fantasie_21_(Du_Caurroy,_Eustache) Antegnati, ConstanzoCanzon 1 La Pellegrina x http://imslp.org/wiki/Canzon_1_'La_Pellegrina'_(Antegnati,_Costanzo) Mortaro, AntonioLa Pozzobonella x http://imslp.org/wiki/La_Pozzobonella_(Mortaro,_Antonio) Frescobaldi, Girolamo Fantasia prima sopra un soggietto, F 6.01 http://imslp.org/wiki/Fantasia_prima_sopra_un_soggietto,_F_6.01_(Frescobaldi,_Girolamo) Striggio, AlessandroLa Caccia (terza parte) 3L (Uni) x http://imslp.org/wiki/La_Caccia_(Striggio,_Alessandro) Farnaby, Giles Fayne would I Wedd http://imslp.org/wiki/Fayne_would_I_Wedd_FWB_CXCVII_(Farnaby,_Giles) Gabrieli, Andea Ricercare del Secondo Tono x http://imslp.org/wiki/Ricercar_del_secondo_tuono_(Gabrieli,_Andrea) Simpson, Thomas Intrada XII (g,g,D-lutes) http://imslp.org/wiki/Intrada_XII_(Simpson,_Thomas)#IMSLP337192 Soderini, Agostino Canzon 'La Scaramuccia' x http://imslp.org/wiki/Canzona_'La_Scaramuccia'_(Soderini,_Agostino) Monte, Philippe de I begl'occhi und'io x http://imslp.org/wiki/I_begl'occhi_und'io_(Monte,_Philippe_de) http://lute-ensemble-tabulatures.npage.de/ Anton -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Saturday morning quote - Values
We have posted our quote for today concerning modern values and historical musicians. [1]http://wp.me/p15OyV-12Y Ron & Donna -- References 1. http://wp.me/p15OyV-12Y To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Accommodation in / near Cold Spring, New York
Hello - This is a long shot, but whilst I'm nextA in the States, visiting my mother (who lives in Philadelphia), IA will beA singing and playing the lute at a wedding in Cold Spring, and IA need somewhere to stay the previous evening (Halloween!), after the rehearsal.A If anyone of the lute community lives in the area (includingA NYC) and has a spare room to let for a night, or has any advice on this subject, I'd be very pleased to hear from you. Thanks, Helen -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] hello and introductions
Dear All, I'm new and have been reading for a while, but thought I should say hello to everyone. I live in Beijing and I've mainly been an early music singer, but I'm excited to be taking up the lute. It has not been easy (that's an understatement actually) getting an instrument, books or instruction over here, but I have to send many thanks to Ed Durbrow for helping me out from Japan. Glad to be part of this community, Ching-Ping -- 林青萍 Ching-Ping Lin p...@fatmice.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: hello and introductions
Welcome, Ching-Ping.A As a would-be guqin player in the USA, I know exactly how you feel.A I hope the list is helpful. Best, and keep playing, Chris. On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:45 PM, Ching-Ping Lin <[1]p...@fatmice.com> wrote: Dear All, I'm new and have been reading for a while, but thought I should say hello to everyone. I live in Beijing and I've mainly been an early music singer, but I'm excited to be taking up the lute. It has not been easy (that's an understatement actually) getting an instrument, books or instruction over here, but I have to send many thanks to Ed Durbrow for helping me out from Japan. Glad to be part of this community, Ching-Ping -- aeee Ching-Ping Lin [2]p...@fatmice.com To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:p...@fatmice.com 2. mailto:p...@fatmice.com 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: hello and introductions
*waves from Singapore* hello there, nice to have another player in the same timezone! Edward τούτο ηλεκτρονικόν ταχυδρομείον εκ είΦωνου εμεύ επέμφθη. Hæ litteræ electronicæ ab iPhono missæ sunt. 此電子郵件發送于自吾iPhone。 This e-mail was sent from my iPhone. > On 3 Aug, 2014, at 8:45 am, Ching-Ping Lin wrote: > > Dear All, > > I'm new and have been reading for a while, but thought I should say hello to > everyone. I live in Beijing and I've mainly been an early music singer, but > I'm excited to be taking up the lute. It has not been easy (that's an > understatement actually) getting an instrument, books or instruction over > here, but I have to send many thanks to Ed Durbrow for helping me out from > Japan. > > Glad to be part of this community, > > Ching-Ping > > -- > 林青萍 Ching-Ping Lin > p...@fatmice.com > > > > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute Songs on the Web
Charles: A fairly comprehensive summary of digital facsimiles available on the Internet is accessible on the website of the Lute Society of America: http://bit.ly/KWa5XB This of course includes much solo music, but accompanied vocal music from Bossinensis to the Baroque is listed as well. Regards, Daniel Heiman -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mokotoff Sent: 01 August, 2014 09:57 To: LuteNet list Subject: [LUTE] Lute Songs on the Web Greetings Lutenists, I am reading through some songs with a soprano this week. I must have a roomful of printed books of music, greatest hits of the era, Dowland, Campion, Ford, most of the Stainer and Bell editions. Is there a place on the internet where these are perhaps already living to save me the scanning and printing for my performance binder? It doesn't have to be the editions I have.A Thanks for any advice. CharlesA -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
