[LUTE] Re: unexpected phenomenon with Aquila 'shiny' nylgut

[Christopher Wilke]

   An Aquila banjo string worked just right for the second string of my
   baroque lute. I was able to use the remainder of the strings on other
   instruments. Even if I only bought the pack for that one string, it was
   still cheaper than buying a single second string. It also had the
   advantage of being the only kind of "lute" string I could just pop into
   a retail store and purchase off the shelf anytime.

   Chris
   [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

   On Sunday, May 1, 2016, 3:56 PM, Ron Andrico 
   wrote:

   I will most likely be corrected by the string specialists who know
   better, but it seems that the "shiny" nylgut strings live on in the
   form of Aqulia banjo strings.  incidentally, they are on offer for
   quite a bit less than the cost of lute strings.
   RA
   
   From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on
   behalf of Matthew Daillie <[4]dail...@club-internet.fr>
   Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2016 6:16 PM
   To: Mimmo Peruffo; [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: unexpected phenomenon with Aquila 'shiny' nylgut
   Dear Mimmo,
   Thanks for responding to my email.
   Would it be feasible for you to offer two types of nylgut, the present
   formula which many players seem happy with, and the shiny variety which
   I know I am not alone in thinking was your best production yet?
   As for synthetic loaded gut, I have had countless conversations with
   luthiers and lutenists hoping that you would soon get round to
   producing
   it, thus offering a new solution to the problem of finding
   satisfactory
   bass strings. I did not get to see any samples but those players and
   makers I have spoken to who did, were all very enthusiastic.
   Best,
   Matthew
   On 01/05/2016 15:21, Mimmo Peruffo wrote:
   > Hello guys
   > Mimmo here.
   > a few answers to the question:
   >
   > 1) the shiny smooth nylgut was  done to have stronger  nylgut strings
   > for the guges thinner of  .46 mm.
   > Unfortunately, 90% almost of players were not happy due to the
   > slippering surfce. It was a pity because  making them in this way
   > produce very strong strings. They go up in tune very fast also
   > The problem is that sometime they are not even and this is why they
   > are sharp on the upper frets. They are made directly from the
   extruder.
   >
   > 2) we stopped to produce the tradictional rectified ones because the
   > thinner gauges were too fragile.  Right now I have not understand
   why.
   > Actually they are very robust when they are polisshed and smooth but
   > after the rectification process they change and became less strong.
   > I tried a lot of solutions but  with no good results. I agree that
   the
   > texture is not the best however i can do a better work when I will
   > have time for them. Rigfht now I am going to  finish my job with the
   > harp strings because there is a very urgent  problem to solve in this
   > field.
   > In short:  the gut avalaible for these instruments -since a few
   years-
   > is very fragile- So many asked me to 'invent' a way to have a
   syntetic
   > that work similar to this very stiff and oververnished gut ( nylgut
   is
   > not o: too bright). The only alternative is the standard nylon that
   it
   > si not  good at all.
   >
   > 3) loaded gut basses
   > it is not possible to make the ol loaded gut because the raw gut is
   > still not like in the past. This problem afect many stringmakers but
   > they do not admit this for obvious things.
   > HOWEVER, things are going to change: here in Italy we are going to
   > produce very good quality of gut ribbons, same of the quality of the
   > past. This job is not fst because there are  people and money
   involved.
   >
   > 4) what about the sintetic loaded strings?
   > I have all the know- how  to produce the sintetic loded bass strings.
   > My problem is that  I am very busy with the harps strings, as
   mentione
   > before.
   > Fluocabon strings are ok of course however i wonder what will happen
   > when you will hear the sound of these sintetic loded strings.
   > I am very excited to start to make these ones because I heard some
   > prototypes on lutes & theorboes and they are excellent, ( to my feel
   > almost)
   > timing? well, to be honest i think that  the harp strings will take
   to
   > me 3 months almost. yes yes, I told this thing  againg in the past
   but
   > in those times I hd no idea how desperate the harp string situation
   was.
   > In November I will attend the EM festival in Greenwich: my dream is
   to
   > came with all these news on the table
   > Mimmo
   >
   > -Messaggio originale- From: Matthew Daillie
   > Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 12:25 PM
   > To: [6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   > Subject: [LUTE] unexpected phenomenon with Aquila 'shiny' nylgut
   >
   > Dear All,
   >
   > I have just changed some strings on my 6-course in a'. For the top
   two
   > courses

[LUTE] Re: unexpected phenomenon with Aquila 'shiny' nylgut

[Matthew Daillie]

Dear Mimmo,

Thanks for responding to my email.

Would it be feasible for you to offer two types of nylgut, the present 
formula which many players seem happy with, and the shiny variety which 
I know I am not alone in thinking was your best production yet?


As for synthetic loaded gut, I have had countless conversations with 
luthiers and lutenists hoping that you would soon get round to producing 
it, thus offering a new solution to the problem of finding  satisfactory 
bass strings. I did not get to see any samples but those players and 
makers I have spoken to who did, were all very enthusiastic.


Best,

Matthew

On 01/05/2016 15:21, Mimmo Peruffo wrote:

Hello guys
Mimmo here.
a few answers to the question:

1) the shiny smooth nylgut was  done to have stronger  nylgut strings 
for the guges thinner of  .46 mm.
Unfortunately, 90% almost of players were not happy due to the 
slippering surfce. It was a pity because  making them in this way 
produce very strong strings. They go up in tune very fast also
The problem is that sometime they are not even and this is why they 
are sharp on the upper frets. They are made directly from the extruder.


2) we stopped to produce the tradictional rectified ones because the 
thinner gauges were too fragile.  Right now I have not understand why. 
Actually they are very robust when they are polisshed and smooth but  
after the rectification process they change and became less strong.
I tried a lot of solutions but  with no good results. I agree that the 
texture is not the best however i can do a better work when I will 
have time for them. Rigfht now I am going to  finish my job with the 
harp strings because there is a very urgent  problem to solve in this 
field.
In short:  the gut avalaible for these instruments -since a few years- 
is very fragile- So many asked me to 'invent' a way to have a syntetic 
that work similar to this very stiff and oververnished gut ( nylgut is 
not o: too bright). The only alternative is the standard nylon that it 
si not  good at all.


3) loaded gut basses
it is not possible to make the ol loaded gut because the raw gut is 
still not like in the past. This problem afect many stringmakers but 
they do not admit this for obvious things.
HOWEVER, things are going to change: here in Italy we are going to 
produce very good quality of gut ribbons, same of the quality of the 
past. This job is not fst because there are  people and money involved.


4) what about the sintetic loaded strings?
I have all the know- how  to produce the sintetic loded bass strings. 
My problem is that  I am very busy with the harps strings, as mentione 
before.
Fluocabon strings are ok of course however i wonder what will happen 
when you will hear the sound of these sintetic loded strings.
I am very excited to start to make these ones because I heard some 
prototypes on lutes & theorboes and they are excellent, ( to my feel 
almost)
timing? well, to be honest i think that  the harp strings will take to 
me 3 months almost. yes yes, I told this thing  againg in the past but 
in those times I hd no idea how desperate the harp string situation was.
In November I will attend the EM festival in Greenwich: my dream is to 
came with all these news on the table

Mimmo

-Messaggio originale- From: Matthew Daillie
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 12:25 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] unexpected phenomenon with Aquila 'shiny' nylgut

Dear All,

I have just changed some strings on my 6-course in a'. For the top two
courses I used some nylgut strings from July 2014. These are the shiny,
smooth nylgut strings Aquila produced for a year or so before they went
back to the previous formula, apparently after complaints from
lute-players that the new strings didn't have enough surface texture! I
have tried an awful lot of nylgut strings over the years (there have
been umpteen formulas, although Aquila didn't always publicize the fact)
and to my mind these were by far the best for top strings: they were
clear, true (except for the first batches), spoke freely all the way up
the fingerboard, were very close to gut tensions for a given diameter,
were extremely durable and could be put up to pitch and be stable almost
immediately. A great pity they stopped producing them.

Anyway, because I don't have many left, I decided to use one 0.44
diameter string cut in two for the second course of my lute (which has a
53 cm string length). To my surprise, one of the strings was incredibly
sharp going up the fingerboard. This morning I put it on the other way
round and it was fine! I have had similar experiences with some wound
and gut strings but I am very surprised that this should happen with a
small diameter nylgut string (maybe this was an unmentioned issue which
led to ceased production).

Any thoughts, comments?

Thanks,

Matthew



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[LUTE] Re: unexpected phenomenon with Aquila 'shiny' nylgut

[Mimmo Peruffo]

Hello guys
Mimmo here.
a few answers to the question:

1) the shiny smooth nylgut was  done to have stronger  nylgut strings for 
the guges thinner of  .46 mm.
Unfortunately, 90% almost of players were not happy due to the slippering 
surfce. It was a pity because  making them in this way produce very strong 
strings. They go up in tune very fast also
The problem is that sometime they are not even and this is why they are 
sharp on the upper frets. They are made directly from the extruder.


2) we stopped to produce the tradictional rectified ones because the thinner 
gauges were too fragile.  Right now I have not understand why. Actually they 
are very robust when they are polisshed and smooth but  after the 
rectification process they change and became less strong.
I tried a lot of solutions but  with no good results. I agree that the 
texture is not the best however i can do a better work when I will have time 
for them. Rigfht now I am going to  finish my job with the harp strings 
because there is a very urgent  problem to solve in this field.
In short:  the gut avalaible for these instruments -since a few years- is 
very fragile- So many asked me to 'invent' a way to have a syntetic that 
work similar to this very stiff and oververnished gut ( nylgut is not o: too 
bright). The only alternative is the standard nylon that it si not  good at 
all.


3) loaded gut basses
it is not possible to make the ol loaded gut because the raw gut is still 
not like in the past. This problem afect many stringmakers but they do not 
admit this for obvious things.
HOWEVER, things are going to change: here in Italy we are going to produce 
very good quality of gut ribbons, same of the quality of the past. This job 
is not fst because there are  people and money involved.


4) what about the sintetic loaded strings?
I have all the know- how  to produce the sintetic loded bass strings. My 
problem is that  I am very busy with the harps strings, as mentione before.
Fluocabon strings are ok of course however i wonder what will happen when 
you will hear the sound of these sintetic loded strings.
I am very excited to start to make these ones because I heard some 
prototypes on lutes & theorboes and they are excellent, ( to my feel almost)
timing? well, to be honest i think that  the harp strings will take to me 3 
months almost. yes yes, I told this thing  againg in the past but in those 
times I hd no idea how desperate the harp string situation was.
In November I will attend the EM festival in Greenwich: my dream is to came 
with all these news on the table

Mimmo

-Messaggio originale- 
From: Matthew Daillie

Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 12:25 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] unexpected phenomenon with Aquila 'shiny' nylgut

Dear All,

I have just changed some strings on my 6-course in a'. For the top two
courses I used some nylgut strings from July 2014. These are the shiny,
smooth nylgut strings Aquila produced for a year or so before they went
back to the previous formula, apparently after complaints from
lute-players that the new strings didn't have enough surface texture! I
have tried an awful lot of nylgut strings over the years (there have
been umpteen formulas, although Aquila didn't always publicize the fact)
and to my mind these were by far the best for top strings: they were
clear, true (except for the first batches), spoke freely all the way up
the fingerboard, were very close to gut tensions for a given diameter,
were extremely durable and could be put up to pitch and be stable almost
immediately. A great pity they stopped producing them.

Anyway, because I don't have many left, I decided to use one 0.44
diameter string cut in two for the second course of my lute (which has a
53 cm string length). To my surprise, one of the strings was incredibly
sharp going up the fingerboard. This morning I put it on the other way
round and it was fine! I have had similar experiences with some wound
and gut strings but I am very surprised that this should happen with a
small diameter nylgut string (maybe this was an unmentioned issue which
led to ceased production).

Any thoughts, comments?

Thanks,

Matthew



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[LUTE] Luteintabulations

[Anton Hoeger]

> 
> Hi,
> 
> here is a list of new lute intabulations
> 
> 
> Diruta - 7 Ricercare (Transilvano_Parte2_Libro2)  
> 4 Lutes Unisono and a Secundam (a;a;g;g) Version
> 
> Diruta - 8 Ricercare (Transilvano_Parte2_Libro2)  
> 4 Lutes Unisono
> 
> Schlick, Arnolt - Maria zart, von edler Art -Tabulaturen etlicher Lobgesang   
> for Treble instrument and &g-Lute  (2 Versions)
> 
> Schlick, Arnolt - Salve Regina - Ad te clamamus   
> for Treble instrument and &g-Lute  (2 Versions)
> 
> Anton
> 
> 
> always looking on...http://lute-ensemble-tabulatures.npage.de/ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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[LUTE] New Album Release "Weiss Undercover"

[Daniel Shoskes]

Dear Friends: I am delighted to announce the release of my latest album 
“Weiss Undercover”. Includes music of Sylvius Leopold Weiss that is 
misattributed, "borrowed" or reconstructed. Begins with a set of solo pieces 
identified as by Weiss in at least manuscript but almost certainly composed by 
others. Next are three movements of the violin sonata BWV 1025 by JS Bach that 
used a solo Weiss suite as the harpsichord accompaniment. Next, two 
reconstructed duets: A g minor ciaconna of Weiss with added violin part by 
Michel Cardin and a d minor baroque lute duet with reconstruction of the second 
lute part by Karl-Ernst Schröder. Finally, as Weiss was the master of the 
Tombeau, a newly composed Tombeau by Roman Turovsky for our friend and teacher 
Patrick O’Brien.

I am joined by the wonderful artists Johanna Novom on baroque violin and Daniel 
Swenberg on baroque lute.

Available on CD baby (http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/danielshoskes3 
), Amazon (http://amzn.to/1X1wTdP 
) and iTunes (https://itun.es/i6YR46s 
).

Promotional video here: https://youtu.be/eyGFiBP-l_0 


Daniel Shoskes
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[LUTE] Re: unexpected phenomenon with Aquila 'shiny' nylgut

[Martin Shepherd]

Dear Matthew and All,

I have some "shiny" nylgut which I bought only a year or so ago (from 
Bridgewood and Neitzert, and I doubt that their stock was particularly 
ancient).  I hadn't noticed any big difference between these and other 
nylgut strings in terms of stability, stretchiness etc.


For me, the rough surface of most nylgut is too much.  If you listen 
carefully you can hear a high-pitched squeak, whereas a well-polished 
gut string is almost silent.  On the other hand the very smooth surface 
of PVDF strings (the thin ones, not the big KF strings we've been 
discussing recently) is too slippery for a proper contact.


The old white nylgut was too stretchy and often too rough on the 
surface.  I used to polish them to make them a bit smoother.  When the 
"new" (supposedly gut-coloured) nylgut came out it was claimed they were 
less stretchy (not true, according to my experiments) and to my dismay, 
were typically - but not always - even rougher on the surface!  The 
"new" strings have always been less consistent than the old "white" 
strings, in stretchiness, in roughness, in trueness, and diameter (check 
with a micrometer). It may be my imagination, but they seem less stable 
in conditions of changing temperature as well, sometimes gut seems more 
stable!


I have largely returned to gut and nylon (!) but it's incredibly 
frustrating not to have decent synthetic strings for everyday use.  The 
only good news is that for basses, the Savarez KF strings have largely 
(but not completely) solved the problem which loaded gut was intended to 
address.


Best wishes,

Martin


On 01/05/2016 12:25, Matthew Daillie wrote:

Dear All,

I have just changed some strings on my 6-course in a'. For the top two 
courses I used some nylgut strings from July 2014. These are the 
shiny, smooth nylgut strings Aquila produced for a year or so before 
they went back to the previous formula, apparently after complaints 
from lute-players that the new strings didn't have enough surface 
texture! I have tried an awful lot of nylgut strings over the years 
(there have been umpteen formulas, although Aquila didn't always 
publicize the fact) and to my mind these were by far the best for top 
strings: they were clear, true (except for the first batches), spoke 
freely all the way up the fingerboard, were very close to gut tensions 
for a given diameter, were extremely durable and could be put up to 
pitch and be stable almost immediately. A great pity they stopped 
producing them.


Anyway, because I don't have many left, I decided to use one 0.44 
diameter string cut in two for the second course of my lute (which has 
a 53 cm string length). To my surprise, one of the strings was 
incredibly sharp going up the fingerboard. This morning I put it on 
the other way round and it was fine! I have had similar experiences 
with some wound and gut strings but I am very surprised that this 
should happen with a small diameter nylgut string (maybe this was an 
unmentioned issue which led to ceased production).


Any thoughts, comments?

Thanks,

Matthew



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[LUTE] unexpected phenomenon with Aquila 'shiny' nylgut

[Matthew Daillie]

Dear All,

I have just changed some strings on my 6-course in a'. For the top two 
courses I used some nylgut strings from July 2014. These are the shiny, 
smooth nylgut strings Aquila produced for a year or so before they went 
back to the previous formula, apparently after complaints from 
lute-players that the new strings didn't have enough surface texture! I 
have tried an awful lot of nylgut strings over the years (there have 
been umpteen formulas, although Aquila didn't always publicize the fact) 
and to my mind these were by far the best for top strings: they were 
clear, true (except for the first batches), spoke freely all the way up 
the fingerboard, were very close to gut tensions for a given diameter, 
were extremely durable and could be put up to pitch and be stable almost 
immediately. A great pity they stopped producing them.


Anyway, because I don't have many left, I decided to use one 0.44 
diameter string cut in two for the second course of my lute (which has a 
53 cm string length). To my surprise, one of the strings was incredibly 
sharp going up the fingerboard. This morning I put it on the other way 
round and it was fine! I have had similar experiences with some wound 
and gut strings but I am very surprised that this should happen with a 
small diameter nylgut string (maybe this was an unmentioned issue which 
led to ceased production).


Any thoughts, comments?

Thanks,

Matthew



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