[LUTE] Re: Light plastic music stand.

2016-06-20 Thread David van Ooijen 
   One last thing. What I especially like about this stand, apart from the
   fact that is ultra light indeed, is that it can be flat and low, so it
   can act as a low table giving the audience full view of the lute.
   David

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   On 20 June 2016 at 22:20, David van Ooijen
   <[3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually, this is the newer model, mine doesn't have the plastic
 Yamaha
logo-insert at the top, nor does it have the page
 holder/extension
thingies. But the basic stand and the tube connectors are the
 same.
When I bought it it was quite new and only available in Japan. It
 took
one or two years before European shops had it. It came with a
convenient bag, which is also still intact.
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On 20 June 2016 at 19:27, William Brohinsky
 <[3][6]tiorbin...@gmail.com>
wrote:
 The model number for the stand David refers to isYamaha
  MS-303al. It
 can be purchased for around $60(US). It weighs 1.7lbs, cs.
 the
  'usual'
 folding stand format (Yamaha's is MS1000 and is also called
  'light
 weight' and has aluminum tubing) which comes in at about
 3.3Lbs.
  It is
 black, and if memory serves, the finish struck me as a
 powder
  coating,
 rather than anodized. It is available from Amazon.com. There
 are
  MS-303
 stands with different trailing letters: guessing from weight
  listings,
 MS-303als might have portions, or all of it, made from
 steel. The
 Yamaha site ([1][4][7]usa.yamaha.com) doesn't list the
 MS-303al, but
  does
 show the MS-300al and shows it as discontinued. I don't know
 if
  the
 MS-303al replaces it, but Amazon does say it has only 2 in
 stock,
  so
 'order soon'.
 There are other aluminum stands, but precious little
 information
  about
 them. Wittner has a light weight stand. Early Music Shop of
 New
  England
 has it for around $33US (they have the Yamaha MS-303al
 listed at
  $125,
 which may be no gauge of anything!). Vivace Violins has it
 for
 14.23BPS, 17.03BPS with VAT. They identify it as Wittner,
 don't
  give a
 part number (other than their own
 1048FoldingMusicStandBlack).
  Shar has
 one that looks very much like it, which they label LS5A,
 which
  sells
 for $22.99US, and say it comes with a carry bag.
 There are many others with the same form factor, but the
 real
 differentiator seems to be that the aluminum stands are
 under
  2lbs(1kg)
 and the steel ones are over 3lbs.
 So much for the raw info. I've owned and seen many of the
 folding
 "american" style stands, and one of the supposed light
 weight
  stands
 where the desk is connected to the rest of the stand, and it
  can't be
 disconnected without minor metalwork (and for an electronics
  tech,
 having to take apart screw mechanisms qualifies as minor
 metalwork...and sometimes major metal work. We wouldn't be
 doing
 electronics if we were so great with mechanical stuff.) The
 steel
  ones
 which are all one part (Wittner called the first one I
  encountered the
 'uni-pult', kind of like catapult, which I would have been
 glad
  to use
 it in). The desk always suffered from latent dropsy. Latent,
  because it
 wouldn't start to droop until the music was on it, you were
 all
 settled, and the group had started playing. It is great for
 those
 comedy routines which made Tim Conway famous.
 The Yamaha was a very different story. I was never able to
 own
  one,
 largely due to bad timing, but the few times I sat with
 someone
  else
 who owned one, I was amazed at its design. It is light
  (especially if
 you're used to the standard "American" design which is
 pretty
  much
 embodied in the Hamilton model KB400), very adjustable (with
 3
 telescoping sections in the base, and an additional section
  connected
 to the desk). The desk rod wasn't semipermanently married

[LUTE] Re: Light plastic music stand.

2016-06-20 Thread David van Ooijen 
   Actually, this is the newer model, mine doesn't have the plastic Yamaha
   logo-insert at the top, nor does it have the page holder/extension
   thingies. But the basic stand and the tube connectors are the same.
   When I bought it it was quite new and only available in Japan. It took
   one or two years before European shops had it. It came with a
   convenient bag, which is also still intact.

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   [2]www.davidvanooijen.nl
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   On 20 June 2016 at 19:27, William Brohinsky <[3]tiorbin...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

The model number for the stand David refers to is   Yamaha
 MS-303al. It
can be purchased for around $60(US). It weighs 1.7lbs, cs. the
 'usual'
folding stand format (Yamaha's is MS1000 and is also called
 'light
weight' and has aluminum tubing) which comes in at about 3.3Lbs.
 It is
black, and if memory serves, the finish struck me as a powder
 coating,
rather than anodized. It is available from Amazon.com. There are
 MS-303
stands with different trailing letters: guessing from weight
 listings,
MS-303als might have portions, or all of it, made from steel. The
Yamaha site ([1][4]usa.yamaha.com) doesn't list the MS-303al, but
 does
show the MS-300al and shows it as discontinued. I don't know if
 the
MS-303al replaces it, but Amazon does say it has only 2 in stock,
 so
'order soon'.
There are other aluminum stands, but precious little information
 about
them. Wittner has a light weight stand. Early Music Shop of New
 England
has it for around $33US (they have the Yamaha MS-303al listed at
 $125,
which may be no gauge of anything!). Vivace Violins has it for
14.23BPS, 17.03BPS with VAT. They identify it as Wittner, don't
 give a
part number (other than their own 1048FoldingMusicStandBlack).
 Shar has
one that looks very much like it, which they label LS5A, which
 sells
for $22.99US, and say it comes with a carry bag.
There are many others with the same form factor, but the real
differentiator seems to be that the aluminum stands are under
 2lbs(1kg)
and the steel ones are over 3lbs.
So much for the raw info. I've owned and seen many of the folding
"american" style stands, and one of the supposed light weight
 stands
where the desk is connected to the rest of the stand, and it
 can't be
disconnected without minor metalwork (and for an electronics
 tech,
having to take apart screw mechanisms qualifies as minor
metalwork...and sometimes major metal work. We wouldn't be doing
electronics if we were so great with mechanical stuff.) The steel
 ones
which are all one part (Wittner called the first one I
 encountered the
'uni-pult', kind of like catapult, which I would have been glad
 to use
it in). The desk always suffered from latent dropsy. Latent,
 because it
wouldn't start to droop until the music was on it, you were all
settled, and the group had started playing. It is great for those
comedy routines which made Tim Conway famous.
The Yamaha was a very different story. I was never able to own
 one,
largely due to bad timing, but the few times I sat with someone
 else
who owned one, I was amazed at its design. It is light
 (especially if
you're used to the standard "American" design which is pretty
 much
embodied in the Hamilton model KB400), very adjustable (with 3
telescoping sections in the base, and an additional section
 connected
to the desk). The desk rod wasn't semipermanently married to the
 base,
so it could be stored in two cases to balance its contribution to
 your
load. And once it was set, it stayed where you put it. The best
 part is
that there are very few black stands with its formfactor/design,
 so if
someone mistakes your desk for his, and leaves you his, it will
 still
fit. (The Hamilton style is copied by many many makers, and they
 all
make the interface between the top rod and the desk enough
 different
that they won't mate, or mate, but then wobble and rattle and
 fall off
and generally add to your blood pressure...)
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:59 AM, David van Ooijen
<[2][5]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
 Aluminum stands by Yamaha. I have one for some 20 (?)
 years
  now,
 travelled the world a few times, still as new.
 On Monday, 20 June 2016, Herbert Ward
  <[1][3][6]wa...@physics.utexas.edu>
 wrote:
   I've seen

[LUTE] Re: Light plastic music stand.

2016-06-20 Thread William Brohinsky 
   The model number for the stand David refers to is  Yamaha MS-303al. It
   can be purchased for around $60(US). It weighs 1.7lbs, cs. the 'usual'
   folding stand format (Yamaha's is MS1000 and is also called 'light
   weight' and has aluminum tubing) which comes in at about 3.3Lbs. It is
   black, and if memory serves, the finish struck me as a powder coating,
   rather than anodized. It is available from Amazon.com. There are MS-303
   stands with different trailing letters: guessing from weight listings,
   MS-303als might have portions, or all of it, made from steel. The
   Yamaha site ([1]usa.yamaha.com) doesn't list the MS-303al, but does
   show the MS-300al and shows it as discontinued. I don't know if the
   MS-303al replaces it, but Amazon does say it has only 2 in stock, so
   'order soon'.
   There are other aluminum stands, but precious little information about
   them. Wittner has a light weight stand. Early Music Shop of New England
   has it for around $33US (they have the Yamaha MS-303al listed at $125,
   which may be no gauge of anything!). Vivace Violins has it for
   14.23BPS, 17.03BPS with VAT. They identify it as Wittner, don't give a
   part number (other than their own 1048FoldingMusicStandBlack). Shar has
   one that looks very much like it, which they label LS5A, which sells
   for $22.99US, and say it comes with a carry bag.
   There are many others with the same form factor, but the real
   differentiator seems to be that the aluminum stands are under 2lbs(1kg)
   and the steel ones are over 3lbs.
   So much for the raw info. I've owned and seen many of the folding
   "american" style stands, and one of the supposed light weight stands
   where the desk is connected to the rest of the stand, and it can't be
   disconnected without minor metalwork (and for an electronics tech,
   having to take apart screw mechanisms qualifies as minor
   metalwork...and sometimes major metal work. We wouldn't be doing
   electronics if we were so great with mechanical stuff.) The steel ones
   which are all one part (Wittner called the first one I encountered the
   'uni-pult', kind of like catapult, which I would have been glad to use
   it in). The desk always suffered from latent dropsy. Latent, because it
   wouldn't start to droop until the music was on it, you were all
   settled, and the group had started playing. It is great for those
   comedy routines which made Tim Conway famous.
   The Yamaha was a very different story. I was never able to own one,
   largely due to bad timing, but the few times I sat with someone else
   who owned one, I was amazed at its design. It is light (especially if
   you're used to the standard "American" design which is pretty much
   embodied in the Hamilton model KB400), very adjustable (with 3
   telescoping sections in the base, and an additional section connected
   to the desk). The desk rod wasn't semipermanently married to the base,
   so it could be stored in two cases to balance its contribution to your
   load. And once it was set, it stayed where you put it. The best part is
   that there are very few black stands with its formfactor/design, so if
   someone mistakes your desk for his, and leaves you his, it will still
   fit. (The Hamilton style is copied by many many makers, and they all
   make the interface between the top rod and the desk enough different
   that they won't mate, or mate, but then wobble and rattle and fall off
   and generally add to your blood pressure...)

   On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 10:59 AM, David van Ooijen
   <[2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Aluminum stands by Yamaha. I have one for some 20 (?)   years
 now,
travelled the world a few times, still as new.
On Monday, 20 June 2016, Herbert Ward
 <[1][3]wa...@physics.utexas.edu>
wrote:
  I've seen collapsible music stands made of plastic or aluminaum
 that
  weigh
  about half as much as stands made of steel.
  I looked in Amazon and Google, but no luck.Can anyone help?
I'd
  be
  especially interested in experiences with durability.
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   6. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
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[LUTE] Frescobaldi

2016-06-20 Thread Anton Höger 
Hi,

here is my updated Frescobaldi list for voice(s) and 2 Lutes

Frescobaldi, Girolamo   A miei pianti al fine un dì, F 7.32Sopran & 2 
Lutes
http://imslp.org/wiki/A_miei_pianti_al_fine_un_dì,_F_7.32_(Frescobaldi,_Girolamo)
 

Frescobaldi, Girolamo   Begli occhi io non provo F 7.18 2 Sopranos & 2 Lutes
http://imslp.org/wiki/Begli_occhi_io_non_provo_F_7.18_(Frescobaldi,_Girolamo) 

Frescobaldi, Girolamo   Di Licori un guardo F 7.13  Sopran & 2 Lutes
http://imslp.org/wiki/Di_Licori_un_guardo_F_7.13_(Frescobaldi,_Girolamo) 

Frescobaldi, Girolamo   Entro nave dorata, F 7.10   Sopran & 2 Lutes
http://imslp.org/wiki/Entro_nave_dorata,_F_7.10_(Frescobaldi,_Girolamo) 

Frescobaldi, Girolamo   Non mi negate, F 7.12   Sopran & 2 Lutes
http://imslp.org/wiki/Non_mi_negate,_F_7.12_(Frescobaldi,_Girolamo) 

Frescobaldi, Girolamo   Or mio cor dolce, F 7.33Sopran & 2 Lutes
http://imslp.org/wiki/Or_mio_cor_dolce,_F_7.33_(Frescobaldi,_Girolamo) 

Frescobaldi, Girolamo   Troppo sotto due stelle, F 7.11 (3 Parts)   Basso & 
2 Lutes 
http://imslp.org/wiki/Troppo_sotto_due_stelle,_F_7.11_(Frescobaldi,_Girolamo) 

Frescobaldi, Girolamo   Voi partite mio sole F 7.14 Sopran & 2 Lutes
http://imslp.org/wiki/Voi_partite_mio_sole_F_7.14_(Frescobaldi,_Girolamo) 



always have a look at:  http://lute-ensemble-tabulatures.npage.de/ 


Anton
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[LUTE] Re: Light plastic music stand.

2016-06-20 Thread David van Ooijen 
   Aluminum stands by Yamaha. I have one for some 20 (?)  years now,
   travelled the world a few times, still as new.
   On Monday, 20 June 2016, Herbert Ward <[1]wa...@physics.utexas.edu>
   wrote:

 I've seen collapsible music stands made of plastic or aluminaum that
 weigh
 about half as much as stands made of steel.
 I looked in Amazon and Google, but no luck.   Can anyone help?   I'd
 be
 especially interested in experiences with durability.
 To get on or off this list see list information at
 [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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   4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/

[LUTE] Light plastic music stand.

2016-06-20 Thread Herbert Ward 

I've seen collapsible music stands made of plastic or aluminaum that weigh
about half as much as stands made of steel.

I looked in Amazon and Google, but no luck.  Can anyone help?  I'd be
especially interested in experiences with durability.



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