[LUTE] CLM 68

2017-01-22 Thread Rainer

Dear lute netters,

does anybody know why this is still called Aloe?

Diana Poulton read the title in Trumbull as "Aloe" which is certainly wrong as 
Ward noticed 40 years ago.

I can't see any connection to a non-existing tune based on a wrong title.

Have I missed any other "evidence"?

Best wishes,

Rainer adS

PS

The "concordances" Ward mentioned in his famous article were simply wrong as 
well.

As far as I remember, it took him 3 later articles to admit this :)



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[LUTE] Re: CLM 68

2017-01-22 Thread Matthew Daillie
You can read Diana Poulton's argumentation on page 172 of her book on 
Dowland.


https://books.google.fr/books?id=gM4ikvRR4Z0C&pg=PA172&lpg=PA172&dq=dowland+Aloe&source=bl&ots=-vut7Vvh87&sig=nEJtzPUKm2eGhvsxwdhOOJ9_wY4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-4_K7r9bRAhVL1RoKHc5ABH8Q6AEIPjAH#v=onepage&q=dowland%20Aloe&f=false

She speaks of a ballad tune referring to a merchant ship involved in 
battle called the George Aloe.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_George_Aloe_and_the_Sweepstake

Robert Spencer in the inventory to the Boethius Press edition of the 
facsimile says "Mrs. Poulton mistakenly linked the 'E' to 'Alo' to spell 
'Aloe', presumably not noticing that the 'E' was appended to other 
pieces in the manuscript".


There is further information given in LSAJ  Vol. X 1977, pages 70-71.

Best,

Matthew

On 22/01/2017 17:05, Rainer wrote:

Dear lute netters,

does anybody know why this is still called Aloe?

Diana Poulton read the title in Trumbull as "Aloe" which is certainly 
wrong as Ward noticed 40 years ago.


I can't see any connection to a non-existing tune based on a wrong title.

Have I missed any other "evidence"?

Best wishes,

Rainer adS

PS

The "concordances" Ward mentioned in his famous article were simply 
wrong as well.


As far as I remember, it took him 3 later articles to admit this :)






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[LUTE] Re: CLM 68

2017-01-22 Thread Rainer

Nothing new...

Rainer

On 22.01.2017 19:43, Matthew Daillie wrote:

You can read Diana Poulton's argumentation on page 172 of her book on Dowland.

https://books.google.fr/books?id=gM4ikvRR4Z0C&pg=PA172&lpg=PA172&dq=dowland+Aloe&source=bl&ots=-vut7Vvh87&sig=nEJtzPUKm2eGhvsxwdhOOJ9_wY4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-4_K7r9bRAhVL1RoKHc5ABH8Q6AEIPjAH#v=onepage&q=dowland%20Aloe&f=false

She speaks of a ballad tune referring to a merchant ship involved in battle 
called the George Aloe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_George_Aloe_and_the_Sweepstake

Robert Spencer in the inventory to the Boethius Press edition of the facsimile says 
"Mrs. Poulton mistakenly linked the 'E' to 'Alo' to spell 'Aloe', presumably not 
noticing that the 'E' was appended to other pieces in the manuscript".

There is further information given in LSAJ  Vol. X 1977, pages 70-71.

Best,

Matthew

On 22/01/2017 17:05, Rainer wrote:

Dear lute netters,

does anybody know why this is still called Aloe?

Diana Poulton read the title in Trumbull as "Aloe" which is certainly wrong as 
Ward noticed 40 years ago.

I can't see any connection to a non-existing tune based on a wrong title.

Have I missed any other "evidence"?

Best wishes,

Rainer adS

PS

The "concordances" Ward mentioned in his famous article were simply wrong as 
well.

As far as I remember, it took him 3 later articles to admit this :)









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[LUTE] Re: CLM 68

2017-01-22 Thread Matthew Daillie

On 22/01/2017 19:46, Rainer wrote:

Nothing new...

Rainer 


Well next time I won't bother then.

Matthew



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