[LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

[Seicento/Rainer Luckhardt]

   Hi Tristan,

   no idea if it's correct but I've found this:

   [1]Konrad Ragossnig: Handbuch der Gitarre und Laute. Schott, Mainz
   1978, [2]ISBN 3-7957-2329-9, S. 111 f. (Menuett); hier: S. 111.

   .und der Hinweis Ragossnigs, dass die Bezeichnung Menuett erstmals
   im 16. Jahrhundert für eine der 26 Abarten des Branle aufgetreten
   sei.[3][4]

   Maybe it helps to become less confused.

   Rainer^
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   Am 17.01.2018 um 20:48 schrieb Tristan von Neumann:

 ..why is there a Minuet in Doni's Lutebook?
 [5]http://gerbode.net/facsimiles/doni_lute_book/033.png
 This dance shouldn't be popular until years later.
 Any other very early minuets you know of?
 Curiously,
 Tristan
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References

   1. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Ragossnig
   2. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:ISBN-Suche/3795723299
   3. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menuett#cite_note-4
   4. http://www.seicentomusic.de/
   5. http://gerbode.net/facsimiles/doni_lute_book/033.png
   6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Dowland Farewell

[Lex van Sante]

Hi Katalin,

About which Farewell are you going to write? There are two fancy’s with this 
title by Dowland.
There is one based on a achromatic fourth ascending (Poulton no. 3) and another 
In Nomine (Poulton no. 4).

Best regards,

Lex



> Op 17 jan. 2018, om 19:41 heeft Nancy Carlin 
>  het volgende geschreven:
> 
> We are always happy to consider articles like this for the LSA Quarterly, 
> especially since in our recent survey people were requesting more articles on 
> renaissance music. Our requirements are that articles not be already readily 
> accessible on some website and we only rarely publish something that has 
> appeared , or will appear in another lute society's publication. If you would 
> like the article to be considered please email it to
> 
> Nancy Carlin - General Editor lsaq.edi...@gmail.com 
> 
> Sean Smith - Associate Editor lutesm...@gmail.com 
> 
> Also the editor of the LSA Journal will be moving on to other projects and we 
> need to find a new editor. If you are interested in being considered for this 
> job please email me (Nancy) and
> 
> Doug Smith renl...@yahoo.com 
> 
> Nancy
> 
> 
>>Thank you Jean-Marie! I will check that!
>>Any other suggestions on a lute or at least music associated site?
>>Thank you!!
>> 
>>Jean-Marie Poirier <[1]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr 
>> > (idÃ…pont: 2018. jan. 17.,
>>Sze, 11:34) ezt Ãrta:
>> 
>>  [2]https://www.academia.edu/  seems a good 
>> choice.
>>  I look forward to reading your essay !
>>  Best,
>>  Jean-Marie Poirier
>>  --
>>  >Dear Collected Wisdom,
>>  >I am about to finish writing an essay on John Dowland's
>>  Farewell.
>>  >My writing is about the formal analysis on motivic development
>>  and
>>  >origins of the themes.
>>  >I would be happy to publish it on any online surface of
>>  scholarly/music
>>  >articles.
>>  >Do you have any suggestions, where to send it?
>>  >Thank you!
>>  >Best regards,
>>  >Katalin
>>  >[1][3]www.katalinkoltai.com
>>  >
>>  >--
>>  >
>>  >References
>>  >
>>  >1. [4]http://www.katalinkoltai.com/
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >To get on or off this list see list information at
>>  >[5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>> 
>>--
>> 
>> References
>> 
>>1. mailto:jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr
>>2. https://www.academia.edu/
>>3. http://www.katalinkoltai.com/
>>4. http://www.katalinkoltai.com/
>>5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Administrator THE LUTE SOCIETY OF AMERICA
> http://LuteSocietyofAmerica.org 
> 
> PO Box 6499
> Concord, CA 94524
> USA
> 925 / 686-5800
> 
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[LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

[Tristan von Neumann]

Thank you Captain Obvious :)

As there seems to be some obscurity about the origins of the minuet, it 
would be nice to find other earlier examples.

If there aren't any, this is the first written minuet.
I usually don't play 17th century (with 7 courses, duh..)
I just find Doni's book easy to play and most pieces sound good on my 
lute. But I don't know the other repertoire other than vieil ton.


That's why I'm asking the lute community to remember other examples from 
that time :)



Am 17.01.2018 um 21:18 schrieb Matthew Daillie:
The minuet was introduced to the French court by Lully around 1673 but 
that doesn't mean it didn't exist beforehand (Doni's manuscript was 
probably completed about 30 years earlier).


Best,

Matthew

On 17/01/2018 20:48, Tristan von Neumann wrote:

..why is there a Minuet in Doni's Lutebook?
http://gerbode.net/facsimiles/doni_lute_book/033.png

This dance shouldn't be popular until years later.
Any other very early minuets you know of?



Curiously,
Tristan





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[LUTE] Re: I'm confused.

[Matthew Daillie]

The minuet was introduced to the French court by Lully around 1673 but 
that doesn't mean it didn't exist beforehand (Doni's manuscript was 
probably completed about 30 years earlier).


Best,

Matthew

On 17/01/2018 20:48, Tristan von Neumann wrote:

..why is there a Minuet in Doni's Lutebook?
http://gerbode.net/facsimiles/doni_lute_book/033.png

This dance shouldn't be popular until years later.
Any other very early minuets you know of?



Curiously,
Tristan





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[LUTE] I'm confused.

[Tristan von Neumann]

..why is there a Minuet in Doni's Lutebook?
http://gerbode.net/facsimiles/doni_lute_book/033.png

This dance shouldn't be popular until years later.
Any other very early minuets you know of?



Curiously,
Tristan



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[LUTE] Re: Dowland Farewell

[Nancy Carlin]

We are always happy to consider articles like this for the LSA 
Quarterly, especially since in our recent survey people were requesting 
more articles on renaissance music. Our requirements are that articles 
not be already readily accessible on some website and we only rarely 
publish something that has appeared , or will appear in another lute 
society's publication. If you would like the article to be considered 
please email it to


Nancy Carlin - General Editor lsaq.edi...@gmail.com
Sean Smith - Associate Editor lutesm...@gmail.com

Also the editor of the LSA Journal will be moving on to other projects 
and we need to find a new editor. If you are interested in being 
considered for this job please email me (Nancy) and


Doug Smith renl...@yahoo.com

Nancy



Thank you Jean-Marie! I will check that!
Any other suggestions on a lute or at least music associated site?
Thank you!!

Jean-Marie Poirier <[1]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> (idÃ…pont: 2018. jan. 17.,
Sze, 11:34) ezt Ãrta:

  [2]https://www.academia.edu/ seems a good choice.
  I look forward to reading your essay !
  Best,
  Jean-Marie Poirier
  --
  >Dear Collected Wisdom,
  >I am about to finish writing an essay on John Dowland's
  Farewell.
  >My writing is about the formal analysis on motivic development
  and
  >origins of the themes.
  >I would be happy to publish it on any online surface of
  scholarly/music
  >articles.
  >Do you have any suggestions, where to send it?
  >Thank you!
  >Best regards,
  >Katalin
  >[1][3]www.katalinkoltai.com
  >
  >--
  >
  >References
  >
  >1. [4]http://www.katalinkoltai.com/
  >
  >
  >To get on or off this list see list information at
  >[5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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References

1. mailto:jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr
2. https://www.academia.edu/
3. http://www.katalinkoltai.com/
4. http://www.katalinkoltai.com/
5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html





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PO Box 6499
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USA
925 / 686-5800

www.groundsanddivisions.info
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[LUTE] Re: Dowland Farewell

[Katalin Koltai]

   Thank you Jean-Marie! I will check that!
   Any other suggestions on a lute or at least music associated site?
   Thank you!!

   Jean-Marie Poirier <[1]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> (idÅpont: 2018. jan. 17.,
   Sze, 11:34) ezt Ãrta:

 [2]https://www.academia.edu/ seems a good choice.
 I look forward to reading your essay !
 Best,
 Jean-Marie Poirier
 --
 >Dear Collected Wisdom,
 >I am about to finish writing an essay on John Dowland's
 Farewell.
 >My writing is about the formal analysis on motivic development
 and
 >origins of the themes.
 >I would be happy to publish it on any online surface of
 scholarly/music
 >articles.
 >Do you have any suggestions, where to send it?
 >Thank you!
 >Best regards,
 >Katalin
 >[1][3]www.katalinkoltai.com
 >
 >--
 >
 >References
 >
 >1. [4]http://www.katalinkoltai.com/
 >
 >
 >To get on or off this list see list information at
 >[5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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References

   1. mailto:jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr
   2. https://www.academia.edu/
   3. http://www.katalinkoltai.com/
   4. http://www.katalinkoltai.com/
   5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Dowland Farewell

[Jean-Marie Poirier]

https://www.academia.edu/ seems a good choice.
I look forward to reading your essay !

Best,

Jean-Marie Poirier


--
 
>   Dear Collected Wisdom,
>   I am about to finish writing an essay on John Dowland's Farewell.
>   My writing is about the formal analysis on motivic development and
>   origins of the themes.
>   I would be happy to publish it on any online surface of scholarly/music
>   articles.
>   Do you have any suggestions, where to send it?
>   Thank you!
>   Best regards,
>   Katalin
>   [1]www.katalinkoltai.com
>
>   --
>
>References
>
>   1. http://www.katalinkoltai.com/
>
>
>To get on or off this list see list information at
>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Dowland Farewell

[Katalin Koltai]

   Dear Collected Wisdom,
   I am about to finish writing an essay on John Dowland's Farewell.
   My writing is about the formal analysis on motivic development and
   origins of the themes.
   I would be happy to publish it on any online surface of scholarly/music
   articles.
   Do you have any suggestions, where to send it?
   Thank you!
   Best regards,
   Katalin
   [1]www.katalinkoltai.com

   --

References

   1. http://www.katalinkoltai.com/


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